All 41 GOP Senators Promise To Delay Financial Reform

[JakeStarkey]

Quote: Originally Posted by boedicca Please provide any evidence that a corporation disciplined an employee by incarcerating that person.

The female employee who complained about rape and the company, Halliburton, held her against her will?

Compare that with the number of people in prison in the U.S. There is also an alternate view that the company was trying to protect her from further assault in a foreign country.

See the difference?

No dif, sis. The company did not have the right to hold her against her will, period.

 

[JakeStarkey]

A Financial Reform Bill which doesn't include Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is not a sincere effort.

Just sayin'.

100% on point. The problem is that Dem Bill Clinton and Republican Congress created the fiasco. Both parties have to correct the mess in a bi-partisan, responsible solution.

That is not going to happen.

 

[EriktheRed]

A Financial Reform Bill which doesn't include Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is not a sincere effort.

Just sayin'.

100% on point. The problem is that Dem Bill Clinton and Republican Congress created the fiasco. Both parties have to correct the mess in a bi-partisan, responsible solution.

That is not going to happen.

Unfortunately, I wouldn't hold my breath for them bringing back Glass-Steagall, in particular.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Sen. Richard Shelby, the top Republican on the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee, predicted all 41 Republican senators would vote to delay...a deal.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said he didn't expect the bill...would go forward. "We want to make sure that they don't have...financial services... health care," McConnell said on " Fox News Sunday."

-latimes.com

Why did the GOP want Americans to go without Health Care Reform, and why do they now want America to go backwards without any financial reform for a better American economy?

They want power. Power over ideology and over duty, honor, and country.

How's the party of 'NO' doin ' these days?

 

[Big Fitz]

A Financial Reform Bill which doesn't include Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is not a sincere effort.

Just sayin'.

100% on point. The problem is that Dem Bill Clinton and Republican Congress created the fiasco. Both parties have to correct the mess in a bi-partisan, responsible solution.

That is not going to happen.

Not while many of those responsible for it are in positions of power in congress, and those who see a benefit from maintaining it are in the executve branch.

That very well may change starting this year as the anti-incumbent wave starts to crest.

 

[The T]

A Financial Reform Bill which doesn't include Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is not a sincere effort.

Just sayin'.

100% on point. The problem is that Dem Bill Clinton and Republican Congress created the fiasco. Both parties have to correct the mess in a bi-partisan, responsible solution.

That is not going to happen.

Not while many of those responsible for it are in positions of power in congress, and those who see a benefit from maintaining it are in the executve branch.

That very well may change starting this year as the anti-incumbent wave starts to crest.

There won't be many if any at all 'surfing' on that wave. It will consume many courtesy of the people whom are fed up with their government.

 

[JakeStarkey]

A Financial Reform Bill which doesn't include Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is not a sincere effort.

Just sayin'.

100% on point. The problem is that Dem Bill Clinton and Republican Congress created the fiasco. Both parties have to correct the mess in a bi-partisan, responsible solution.

That is not going to happen.

Not while many of those responsible for it are in positions of power in congress, and those who see a benefit from maintaining it are in the executve branch.

That very well may change starting this year as the anti-incumbent wave starts to crest.

The comment about the executive branch is only your opinion with no evidence, so who cares?

The vote will be anti incumbent, not anti party. Changes are and will continue to be made in the various parties at the primary level. You are right that new faces will appear, but the party numbers will remain close to what they are now.

In other words, the Dems will still control Congress.

 

[rdean]

What do Republicans know about reform?

They know "deregulation". The reason behind the problem.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Well, the GOP started it with TR more than a century ago. Conservation and national parks and the FDA and the Hepburn Act and meat inspection are just a few of many of the GOP contributions to regulation.

 

[Big Fitz]

100% on point. The problem is that Dem Bill Clinton and Republican Congress created the fiasco. Both parties have to correct the mess in a bi-partisan, responsible solution.

That is not going to happen.

Not while many of those responsible for it are in positions of power in congress, and those who see a benefit from maintaining it are in the executve branch.

That very well may change starting this year as the anti-incumbent wave starts to crest.

The comment about the executive branch is only your opinion with no evidence, so who cares?

The vote will be anti incumbent, not anti party. Changes are and will continue to be made in the various parties at the primary level. You are right that new faces will appear, but the party numbers will remain close to what they are now.

In other words, the Dems will still control Congress.

The vote will be for fiscal responsibility and governmental reform as well as anti-incumbent. I don't see many democrats on the fiscal responsibility bandwagon. They're all protecting their sacred cows.

And as for the executive branch.. who appointed a tax cheat to run the IRS? Who's trying to use the tea party movement to regulate free speech on the internet? Who has used his advisers to attempt to boycott and shut down the businesses of individual citizens (Van Jones)? Never let a good crisis go to waste I believe the phrase was. And they sure as shit are doing their best to maximize the crisis that pop up if not manufacture a few more.

As for TR, don't mistake consumer protection for progressive advocacy that we see today. I'm not happy with TR in many ways because he introduced the first little hints of nannystatism that exploded under Wilson to the point where it took 2 and a half presidential terms to undo most of it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Big Fitz obviously does not understand political philosophy and political definitions. Anti incumbency will affect folks running within their parties, not the parties themselves. Absolutely no evidence exists for that.

Please don't be so misunderstanding that that you fail to realize that the American electoral mainstream still hates the GOP for what it did to the country. They won't be looking at Clinton or the Republican congress back then, they will be comparing the Bush years with the first two of BHO. The GOP comes off very badly in comparison.

 

[The T]

Big Fitz obviously does not understand political philosophy and political definitions. Anti incumbency will affect folks running within their parties, not the parties themselves. Absolutely no evidence exists for that.

Please don't be so misunderstanding that that you fail to realize that the American electoral mainstream still hates the GOP for what it did to the country. They won't be looking at Clinton or the Republican congress back then, they will be comparing the Bush years with the first two of BHO. The GOP comes off very badly in comparison.

Calm thyself *You Political Partisan HACK*

He understands more than you understand without you removing your blinders...you havent taken the time to read his posts...

I state the contrary to your assertion. The PEOPLE regardless of whatever affiliation they may be registered are UPSET at their government...and it crosses party lines...all stripes of the spectrum.

It puts politicians on NOTICE that we aren't playing their games any longer, and you had better play straight with us or we'll fire you too...

*That is the mentality at play here. And YES it affects the parties across the spectrum.

Jake? Please continue to spout your nonsense. It is YOU whom refuses to take off the partisan blinders and fails to root out the weeds that have infested our Republic.

The Games are *OVER*. The people are pissed off. They've had enough. You roll your dice on a monopoly board with fewer players as if nothing is wrong while saying the GOP is at fault. Wake up poseur.

 

[EriktheRed]

...the American electoral mainstream still hates the GOP for what it did to the country. They won't be looking at Clinton or the Republican congress back then, they will be comparing the Bush years with the first two of BHO.

Eh, I don't know about that. People have been shown to have short memories.

 

[JakeStarkey]

...the American electoral mainstream still hates the GOP for what it did to the country. They won't be looking at Clinton or the Republican congress back then, they will be comparing the Bush years with the first two of BHO.

Eh, I don't know about that. People have been shown to have short memories.

This fall will tell. I have no doubt that the Dems will have unitary control of the Presidency and Congress the day after elections. Because the GOP has not learned its lesson collectively, the Dems then will ram the largest "social justice" program down our throats since LBJ's 'Great Society.' And you saw how much effect we had getting rid of that. Not!

 

[American Horse]

How stupid are these people? Do they really want to go home to their constituents and explain why they stood against reforming wall street? I guess if it means saying "NO!" to the dems, they are all for it. Can't wait to see how this plays out in NOV.

How can a so called "reform bill" be taken seriously which does not once mention Fanny Mae/Freddy Mac or in any way change their status? Truth is, this bill being pushed by Dodd ETAL is to sanitize his own reputation before he is unwillingly removed from the Senate by an electorate that sees through his duplicity.

The bill is an exercise in denial, is misdirected, and will harm the economy more than it benefits it.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

What do Republicans know about reform?

They know "deregulation". The reason behind the problem.

or ignoring regulatory responsibilities.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Well, the GOP started it with TR more than a century ago. Conservation and national parks and the FDA and the Hepburn Act and meat inspection are just a few of many of the GOP contributions to regulation.

and today's GOP is trying to undo all TR did.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Well, the GOP started it with TR more than a century ago. Conservation and national parks and the FDA and the Hepburn Act and meat inspection are just a few of many of the GOP contributions to regulation.

and today's GOP is trying to undo all TR did.

The far right of the party, unfortunately, is trying to do just that. I believe that thinking GOPers (my hand is up in that group) and the rest of thinking America will 'school' the right on the differences between progressivism and socialism.

Never have I seen such a fairly large group of Americans (maybe 20mm) led by demagoguery as the far right is today. At least not since the demagoguery of Joseph McCarthy almost sixty years ago. What a loser he was, and anyone who tries to revise his history is a loser also, a very lousy excuse for an American.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Well, the GOP started it with TR more than a century ago. Conservation and national parks and the FDA and the Hepburn Act and meat inspection are just a few of many of the GOP contributions to regulation.

and today's GOP is trying to undo all TR did.

The far right of the party, unfortunately, is trying to do just that. I believe that thinking GOPers (my hand is up in that group) and the rest of thinking America will 'school' the right on the differences between progressivism and socialism.

Never have I seen such a fairly large group of Americans (maybe 20mm) led by demagoguery as the far right is today. At least not since the demagoguery of Joseph McCarthy almost sixty years ago. What a loser he was, and anyone who tries to revise his history is a loser also, a very lousy excuse for an American.

There are very few GOP leaders who back TR programs and regulations. Hardly a condemnation of the far right...maybe a condemnation of the right in general. And that is sad.

 

[JakeStarkey]

and today's GOP is trying to undo all TR did.

The far right of the party, unfortunately, is trying to do just that. I believe that thinking GOPers (my hand is up in that group) and the rest of thinking America will 'school' the right on the differences between progressivism and socialism.

Never have I seen such a fairly large group of Americans (maybe 20mm) led by demagoguery as the far right is today. At least not since the demagoguery of Joseph McCarthy almost sixty years ago. What a loser he was, and anyone who tries to revise his history is a loser also, a very lousy excuse for an American.

There are very few GOP leaders who back TR programs and regulations. Hardly a condemnation of the far right...maybe a condemnation of the right in general. And that is sad.

I think you are confusing the social value conservatives as corporatists and neo-cons as well. In the south that is certainly not the case. They are distrustful of big and small business, will not be stampeded into overseas adventures for some time, but those hot-button issues of gay marriage, abortion, etc. stampede them to vote for Republicans, they same way gay activists, etc., generally vote Democratic.