alan grayson threatens lawsuit on citizenship grounds if ted cruz is the gop nominee

[Faun]

Of course I believe many Conservatives think he's ineligible; because many do. I've even seen some Conservatives here express that sentiment. And that's a reality, not just something that Faun wants to believe.

And like it or not, many of those Conservatives will not vote for Cruz because they believe he's ineligible.

LOL!

Faun, 2008 called and they want their standard for President back. So step into your time machine and run it back down their to 'em, will ya?

As an American who understands that the Constitution precludes Cruz from being President. I also understand that the same standard that prevents Cruz from taking office, prevented obama from taking office.

Now... does that in any way help you understand the problem ya have, dumbass?

I have no problem as I understand both are Constitutionally eligible. Not everyone is a sniveling birther like you. I just thought you ought to know that.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Wow, no one was qualified to be president at that time. Brilliant.

7 out of 8 of our first Presidents were not born in the United States since it was not the United States when they were born.

That's true. They were naturalized citizens of the U.S. when they became president; for which, the Constitution made provisions. There are, only two classifications of U.S. citizens, natural or naturalized.

Yes, and the law covers this situation, as well, by stating that the children of US citizens are US citizens, regardless of whether their moms drop them here or elsewhere.

Unless you're Barack Obama.

Did you have a problem with Obama being vetted for the job? If so why would you have a problem with Obama being completely vetted for the job ?

Isn't that what it is all about ? Hey he passed so what is your complaint ? Yes Cruz will pass also, and the stunt by this Alan guy is just another political assassin that has been sent in by the left.

ROFLMNAO!

'obama was vetted'...

Hysterical...

Absent being elected, there is no universe wherein obama could have secured a national security clearance.

No one under that pitiful circumstance has been 'vetted'.

 

[Freewill]

Well one thing, if there is a debate and prime time TV picks up on it that is way more then they ever did for Obama. Although Obama was born in Hawaii it has been pretty much decided it really didn't matter as long as his mother was American.

Not exactly. If Obama was not born in Hawai'i, then the question becomes how many years of her adult life his mother resided in the US, and how recently prior to his birth. Given his mother's antipathy toward the US and penchant for chasing around the globe after lousy men, it would be a valid concern . . . which is why it was important to ascertain where Obama was born.

Hey, a consensus, case closed :

Most legal scholars maintain that Cruz is in the clear despite his Canadian birthplace.

Is Ted Cruz, born in Canada, eligible to run for president? (Updated)

But is the issue 100 percent settled? Not exactly.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Of course I believe many Conservatives think he's ineligible; because many do. I've even seen some Conservatives here express that sentiment. And that's a reality, not just something that Faun wants to believe.

And like it or not, many of those Conservatives will not vote for Cruz because they believe he's ineligible.

LOL!

Faun, 2008 called and they want their standard for President back. So step into your time machine and run it back down their to 'em, will ya?

As an American who understands that the Constitution precludes Cruz from being President. I also understand that the same standard that prevents Cruz from taking office, prevented obama from taking office.

Now... does that in any way help you understand the problem ya have, dumbass?

I have no problem as I understand both are Constitutionally eligible. Not everyone is a sniveling birther like you. I just thought you ought to know that.

Is that what you understand?

Then by all means, explain to the reader, the purpose of the "Natural Born Citizen Status" as it was written and ratified in the late 18th century.

No doubt we'd all love to here your 'understanding'.

Reader brace yourself for something between zero and a wiki-link. I state that given the fact that Faun is a Leftist, thus has no understanding of the principles that govern republican governance.

This because... they're idiots.

The simple truth is, if they were capable of understanding such, they wouldn't be Leftist.

 

[Faun]

Of course I believe many Conservatives think he's ineligible; because many do. I've even seen some Conservatives here express that sentiment. And that's a reality, not just something that Faun wants to believe.

And like it or not, many of those Conservatives will not vote for Cruz because they believe he's ineligible.

LOL!

Faun, 2008 called and they want their standard for President back. So step into your time machine and run it back down their to 'em, will ya?

As an American who understands that the Constitution precludes Cruz from being President. I also understand that the same standard that prevents Cruz from taking office, prevented obama from taking office.

Now... does that in any way help you understand the problem ya have, dumbass?

I have no problem as I understand both are Constitutionally eligible. Not everyone is a sniveling birther like you. I just thought you ought to know that.

Is that what you understand?

Then by all means, explain to the reader, the purpose of the "Natural Born Citizen Status" as it was written and ratified in the late 18th century.

No doubt we'd all love to here your 'understanding'.

Reader brace yourself for something between zero and a wiki-link. I state that given the fact that Faun is a Leftist, thus has no understanding of the principles that govern republican governance.

This because... they're idiots.

The simple truth is, if they were capable of understanding such, they wouldn't be Leftist.

Naturally born a U.S. citizen as opposed to a naturalized citizen, like some of our first presidents were. There are only two statuses of citizenship, natural and naturalized.

 

[Political Junky]

It's been said before, but the Right depends on just making stuff up.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Well one thing, if there is a debate and prime time TV picks up on it that is way more then they ever did for Obama. Although Obama was born in Hawaii it has been pretty much decided it really didn't matter as long as his mother was American.

Not exactly. If Obama was not born in Hawai'i, then the question becomes how many years of her adult life his mother resided in the US, and how recently prior to his birth. Given his mother's antipathy toward the US and penchant for chasing around the globe after lousy men, it would be a valid concern . . . which is why it was important to ascertain where Obama was born.

Hey, a consensus, case closed :

Most legal scholars maintain that Cruz is in the clear despite his Canadian birthplace.

Is Ted Cruz, born in Canada, eligible to run for president? (Updated)

But is the issue 100 percent settled? Not exactly.

Given conventional 'wisdom' Cruz is fine.

Given the catastrophe that's come as a result of the obama cult... we should at this point have no problem seeing in minute detail WHY CONVENTIONAL WISDOM on the meaning of the term: Natural Born Citizen... is not JUST WRONG... but HYSTERICALLY WRONG!

Where obama was born is irrelevant. He was born to a foreign national father, whose entire life was framed by his communist ideology. He was born to a US Citizen Mother, whose entire life was framed around her disdain for the United States and American principle, who spent large swaths of time out of the US, in countries hostile to the US.

A Natural Born Citizen is one who citizenship is the natural consequence of their birth. And it is such because BOTH PARENTS ARE CITIZENS IN GOOD STANDING. Such a union produces, to the extent possible, the likelihood that the child will be raised in and educated upon and will thus be loyal to: American Principle.

It is irrefutable at this point that obama, having been born to a foreign national hostile to American Principle is NOT loyal to the principles that define America... and which sustain the United States.

THAT is why the Standard was raised more than two centuries ago... and the catastrophe that has come as a consequence of obama could have been avoided by simply respecting that principle and rejecting the rationalization which rendered it useless.

You see... the Constitution is useless, unless the principles it protects are recognized, respected, defended and ADHERE TO.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Of course I believe many Conservatives think he's ineligible; because many do. I've even seen some Conservatives here express that sentiment. And that's a reality, not just something that Faun wants to believe.

And like it or not, many of those Conservatives will not vote for Cruz because they believe he's ineligible.

LOL!

Faun, 2008 called and they want their standard for President back. So step into your time machine and run it back down their to 'em, will ya?

As an American who understands that the Constitution precludes Cruz from being President. I also understand that the same standard that prevents Cruz from taking office, prevented obama from taking office.

Now... does that in any way help you understand the problem ya have, dumbass?

I have no problem as I understand both are Constitutionally eligible. Not everyone is a sniveling birther like you. I just thought you ought to know that.

Is that what you understand?

Then by all means, explain to the reader, the purpose of the "Natural Born Citizen Status" as it was written and ratified in the late 18th century.

No doubt we'd all love to here your 'understanding'.

Reader brace yourself for something between zero and a wiki-link. I state that given the fact that Faun is a Leftist, thus has no understanding of the principles that govern republican governance.

This because... they're idiots.

The simple truth is, if they were capable of understanding such, they wouldn't be Leftist.

Naturally born a U.S. citizen as opposed to a naturalized citizen, like some of our first presidents were. There are only two statuses of citizenship, natural and naturalized.

In terms of citizenship, Ted Cruz enjoys precisely the same type of citizenship as does obama... His Mother is a US Citizen... as such Cruz US citizen is axiomatic.

This is however NOT the standard of Natural Born Citizen, which exists uniquely and exclusively for the President of the United States... as such it sits as the highest possible standard of citizenship... for the reasons already stated.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

It's been said before, but the Right depends on just making stuff up.

 

[beagle9]

I disagree. I can see the mushy center staying home and allowing Clinton or Sanders to walk away with the Presidency by default, but I do not see people on the right doing so. Not with Cruz as the candidate. I could maybe see it if Trump gets the nomination.

Whatever objectionable qualities Cruz has aren't really things that are objectionable to conservatives.

Sounds like you think Conservatives and Republicans would vote for someone they believe is not Constitutionally eligible. While most would, many will put ethics above politics and not vote for him.

Sounds like you think conservatives and Republicans think Cruz is ineligible, at which point, you might want to investigate the difference between "ethics" and "what Faun wants to believe".

Cruz is fully eligible under our laws to be President. You will not escape him that way, nor will anyone with a teaspoonful of brains fall for your "revenge for Obama" childhood drama. Suck it up and deal.

Of course I believe many Conservatives think he's ineligible; because many do. I've even seen some Conservatives here express that sentiment. And that's a reality, not just something that Faun wants to believe.

And like it or not, many of those Conservatives will not vote for Cruz because they believe he's ineligible.

Well then they are corrupt then, and they deserve nothing themselves... They are in the tank for corporations and their lobbyist, so if they succeed then the people will lose.

Who's corrupt? Republicans and Conservatives who believe Cruz is ineligible?

Yep, because it's all political assassination if they go down that road.... Why does the establishment fear a Ted Cruz ? I guarantee you that it ain't because they think he's ineligible that they would go after him, but they might hide behind it if they think it would work for them or if they are out to get him.

 

[beagle9]

7 out of 8 of our first Presidents were not born in the United States since it was not the United States when they were born.

That's true. They were naturalized citizens of the U.S. when they became president; for which, the Constitution made provisions. There are, only two classifications of U.S. citizens, natural or naturalized.

Yes, and the law covers this situation, as well, by stating that the children of US citizens are US citizens, regardless of whether their moms drop them here or elsewhere.

Unless you're Barack Obama.

Did you have a problem with Obama being vetted for the job? If so why would you have a problem with Obama being completely vetted for the job ?

Isn't that what it is all about ? Hey he passed so what is your complaint ? Yes Cruz will pass also, and the stunt by this Alan guy is just another political assassin that has been sent in by the left.

ROFLMNAO!

'obama was vetted'...

Hysterical...

Absent being elected, there is no universe wherein obama could have secured a national security clearance.

No one under that pitiful circumstance has been 'vetted'.

Vetted on the birther issue, would you say he wasn't ?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Sounds like you think Conservatives and Republicans would vote for someone they believe is not Constitutionally eligible. While most would, many will put ethics above politics and not vote for him.

Sounds like you think conservatives and Republicans think Cruz is ineligible, at which point, you might want to investigate the difference between "ethics" and "what Faun wants to believe".

Cruz is fully eligible under our laws to be President. You will not escape him that way, nor will anyone with a teaspoonful of brains fall for your "revenge for Obama" childhood drama. Suck it up and deal.

Of course I believe many Conservatives think he's ineligible; because many do. I've even seen some Conservatives here express that sentiment. And that's a reality, not just something that Faun wants to believe.

And like it or not, many of those Conservatives will not vote for Cruz because they believe he's ineligible.

Well then they are corrupt then, and they deserve nothing themselves... They are in the tank for corporations and their lobbyist, so if they succeed then the people will lose.

Who's corrupt? Republicans and Conservatives who believe Cruz is ineligible?

Yep, because it's all political assassination if they go down that road.... Why does the establishment fear a Ted Cruz ? I guarantee you that it ain't because they think he's ineligible that they would go after him, but they might hide behind it if they think it would work for them if they are out to get him.

The Left is weeping and gnashing their collective tooth over Cruz, because Cruz owns them.

He doesn't give a red rat's rear about being liked in the media. He loathes Political Correctness, rejecting the concept entirely, due to his understanding that its only purpose is the destruction of cultural standards.

Cruz instinctively understands the principles that define America and that the Ideological Left is little more than an advocacy of Foreign Ideas Hostile to American Principle... and what's more he is lethal in his means to convey those principles and to define the Left's attack upon America.

They're afraid of Ted Cruz, because in the wake of obama... Ted Cruz's means to communicate all of the above, effectively... is the formula to set the Ideological Left ON FIRE! To destroy it ... ENTIRELY.

They're scared shitless of Ted Cruz, because they dam' well should be scared shitless of Ted Cruz. He represents the END of everything they 'feel'.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

That's true. They were naturalized citizens of the U.S. when they became president; for which, the Constitution made provisions. There are, only two classifications of U.S. citizens, natural or naturalized.

Yes, and the law covers this situation, as well, by stating that the children of US citizens are US citizens, regardless of whether their moms drop them here or elsewhere.

Unless you're Barack Obama.

Did you have a problem with Obama being vetted for the job? If so why would you have a problem with Obama being completely vetted for the job ?

Isn't that what it is all about ? Hey he passed so what is your complaint ? Yes Cruz will pass also, and the stunt by this Alan guy is just another political assassin that has been sent in by the left.

ROFLMNAO!

'obama was vetted'...

Hysterical...

Absent being elected, there is no universe wherein obama could have secured a national security clearance.

No one under that pitiful circumstance has been 'vetted'.

Vetted on the birther issue, would you say he wasn't ?

Oh... Vetted on being born in Hawaii? Sure... .

Sadly, for that point, the place of birth is irrelevant to one being a Natural Born Citizen.

 

[Faun]

Of course I believe many Conservatives think he's ineligible; because many do. I've even seen some Conservatives here express that sentiment. And that's a reality, not just something that Faun wants to believe.

And like it or not, many of those Conservatives will not vote for Cruz because they believe he's ineligible.

LOL!

Faun, 2008 called and they want their standard for President back. So step into your time machine and run it back down their to 'em, will ya?

As an American who understands that the Constitution precludes Cruz from being President. I also understand that the same standard that prevents Cruz from taking office, prevented obama from taking office.

Now... does that in any way help you understand the problem ya have, dumbass?

I have no problem as I understand both are Constitutionally eligible. Not everyone is a sniveling birther like you. I just thought you ought to know that.

Is that what you understand?

Then by all means, explain to the reader, the purpose of the "Natural Born Citizen Status" as it was written and ratified in the late 18th century.

No doubt we'd all love to here your 'understanding'.

Reader brace yourself for something between zero and a wiki-link. I state that given the fact that Faun is a Leftist, thus has no understanding of the principles that govern republican governance.

This because... they're idiots.

The simple truth is, if they were capable of understanding such, they wouldn't be Leftist.

Naturally born a U.S. citizen as opposed to a naturalized citizen, like some of our first presidents were. There are only two statuses of citizenship, natural and naturalized.

In terms of citizenship, Ted Cruz enjoys precisely the same type of citizenship as does obama... His Mother is a US Citizen... as such Cruz US citizen is axiomatic.

This is however NOT the standard of Natural Born Citizen, which exists uniquely and exclusively for the President of the United States... as such it sits as the highest possible standard of citizenship... for the reasons already stated.

Again, whether you're capable of comprehending this or not... there are only two statuses of citizenship... Natural and naturalized.

This has been recognized since the inception of our Constitution which demands that all presidents be natural born citizens, not naturalized. But because there were no natural born citizens at the time the Constitution was written, a provision was included to allow for citizens who were naturalized at the time the Constitution was adopted.

In the 227 years since our first election, there have been several candidates to run for either president or VP who did not have two parents who were U.S. citizens. Some even won their election.

Chester Arthur, 1880
Charles Hughes, 1916
Barack Obama, 2008, 2012
Ted Cruz, 2016
Marco Rubio, 2016
Bobby Jindal, 2016

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Well one thing, if there is a debate and prime time TV picks up on it that is way more then they ever did for Obama. Although Obama was born in Hawaii it has been pretty much decided it really didn't matter as long as his mother was American.

Not exactly. If Obama was not born in Hawai'i, then the question becomes how many years of her adult life his mother resided in the US, and how recently prior to his birth. Given his mother's antipathy toward the US and penchant for chasing around the globe after lousy men, it would be a valid concern . . . which is why it was important to ascertain where Obama was born.

Add to that, that the term: Natural Born Citizen has no relevance to the location of one's birth.
Being born to two citizens, the framers assured to the extent possible that the individual would be raised in the US, trained up in American principle... as opposed to the single parent farce, wherein there is a fair probability that the child would be exposed to Foreign Ideas, which are often hostile to American Principle.

In obama's case, he was born to a US Citizen Mother, who had a visceral hatred of the United States... was soundly indoctrinated in Communism, an ideology that is purely antithetical to American Principle. She conceived a child with a Kenyan Communist (Anti-Colonialism; founded wholly in Marxism) who spent very little of her life in the US. What's more Hawaii in 1960; having just established itself as a State, was desperate to increase its Federal Legislative Seats, and was issuing Birth Certificates to families with adopted babies from overseas, who could show any signs of residency in Hawaii. It was rampant and a function of law in the Territory of Hawaii.

It's truly comical... The United States... In the midst of a catastrophic failure of Socialist Policy and a war with a large percentage of Islam, as it is hunting down Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein... elects as President of the United States: barak hussein obama. With a background SO dubious he could not have secured a national security clearance on a BET... .

He didn't get elected, he was selected by an anti-American cabal... whose identify should be discovered, and who should be 'debriefed' and executed... their substantial holdings divested and given to the families of those murdered by obama through his Islamic-terrorist friendly ROEs... and his refusal to provide security where it was needed most.

That his entire executive department was wholly politicized from the AG to the IRS... and that the Press malleably folded right in without the slightest curiosity, that was all one really needed to know, to know that such was systemic, that the rot went through from the center to the barrel.

So yes... there is a reason that the framers required that the President be a Natural Born Citizen... obama is the PERSONIFICATION of that reason.

Just as there is a reason that the Framers used that term, specifically wording it in such a way that confusion over its meaning is impossible, except where the will is to reject the principle it represents... and where the will is to reject the principle... the problem exposes itself.

Ted Cruz doesn't meet the standard... but as the first candidate post obama to be a "Mother Only Citizen", he is the antithesis of obama. He is a man with an unimpeachable character, an irrefutable life story and he could be the man to FIX the problem.

We'll see...

(Reader, I'm reposting this because two of our in-tread Relativists chose to give it a smiley face... thus claiming that they enjoyed reading it and I thought since they enjoyed it so much, that others of their ilk might also like to read it up at the top of the thread.)

 

[beagle9]

Yes, and the law covers this situation, as well, by stating that the children of US citizens are US citizens, regardless of whether their moms drop them here or elsewhere.

Unless you're Barack Obama.

Did you have a problem with Obama being vetted for the job? If so why would you have a problem with Obama being completely vetted for the job ?

Isn't that what it is all about ? Hey he passed so what is your complaint ? Yes Cruz will pass also, and the stunt by this Alan guy is just another political assassin that has been sent in by the left.

ROFLMNAO!

'obama was vetted'...

Hysterical...

Absent being elected, there is no universe wherein obama could have secured a national security clearance.

No one under that pitiful circumstance has been 'vetted'.

Vetted on the birther issue, would you say he wasn't ?

Oh... Vetted on being born in Hawaii? Sure... .

Sadly, for that point, the place of birth is irrelevant to one being a Natural Born Citizen.

Well like you said Obama has reset or used the old standard then once again... So what's Grayson doing if not trying to operate on a political assassination attempt.

 

[Faun]

Sounds like you think Conservatives and Republicans would vote for someone they believe is not Constitutionally eligible. While most would, many will put ethics above politics and not vote for him.

Sounds like you think conservatives and Republicans think Cruz is ineligible, at which point, you might want to investigate the difference between "ethics" and "what Faun wants to believe".

Cruz is fully eligible under our laws to be President. You will not escape him that way, nor will anyone with a teaspoonful of brains fall for your "revenge for Obama" childhood drama. Suck it up and deal.

Of course I believe many Conservatives think he's ineligible; because many do. I've even seen some Conservatives here express that sentiment. And that's a reality, not just something that Faun wants to believe.

And like it or not, many of those Conservatives will not vote for Cruz because they believe he's ineligible.

Well then they are corrupt then, and they deserve nothing themselves... They are in the tank for corporations and their lobbyist, so if they succeed then the people will lose.

Who's corrupt? Republicans and Conservatives who believe Cruz is ineligible?

Yep, because it's all political assassination if they go down that road.... Why does the establishment fear a Ted Cruz ? I guarantee you that it ain't because they think he's ineligible that they would go after him, but they might hide behind it if they think it would work for them or if they are out to get him.

You didn't answer... who were you talking about when you said, "they are corrupt?" And who said the establishment fears Cruz?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

LOL!

Faun, 2008 called and they want their standard for President back. So step into your time machine and run it back down their to 'em, will ya?

As an American who understands that the Constitution precludes Cruz from being President. I also understand that the same standard that prevents Cruz from taking office, prevented obama from taking office.

Now... does that in any way help you understand the problem ya have, dumbass?

I have no problem as I understand both are Constitutionally eligible. Not everyone is a sniveling birther like you. I just thought you ought to know that.

Is that what you understand?

Then by all means, explain to the reader, the purpose of the "Natural Born Citizen Status" as it was written and ratified in the late 18th century.

No doubt we'd all love to here your 'understanding'.

Reader brace yourself for something between zero and a wiki-link. I state that given the fact that Faun is a Leftist, thus has no understanding of the principles that govern republican governance.

This because... they're idiots.

The simple truth is, if they were capable of understanding such, they wouldn't be Leftist.

Naturally born a U.S. citizen as opposed to a naturalized citizen, like some of our first presidents were. There are only two statuses of citizenship, natural and naturalized.

In terms of citizenship, Ted Cruz enjoys precisely the same type of citizenship as does obama... His Mother is a US Citizen... as such Cruz US citizen is axiomatic.

This is however NOT the standard of Natural Born Citizen, which exists uniquely and exclusively for the President of the United States... as such it sits as the highest possible standard of citizenship... for the reasons already stated.

Again, whether you're capable of comprehending this or not... there are only two statuses of citizenship... Natural and naturalized.

This has been recognized since the inception of our Constitution which demands that all presidents be natural born citizens, not naturalized. But because there were no natural born citizens at the time the Constitution was written, a provision was included to allow for citizens who were naturalized at the time the Constitution was adopted.

In the 227 years since our first election, there have been several candidates to run for either president or VP who did not have two parents who were U.S. citizens. Some even won their election.

Chester Arthur, 1880
Charles Hughes, 1916
Barack Obama, 2008, 2012
Ted Cruz, 2016
Marco Rubio, 2016
Bobby Jindal, 2016

You're conflating citizenship by STATUTE with natural born citizen.

The law says that a child born to a US Citizen is a citizen. The Law provides a path for those who are not born to US citizens, thus becoming Naturalized citizens.

IN THE CASE A DUAL CITIZENSHIP THERE ARE TWO LAWFUL AUTHORITIES AT ISSUE, THUS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE STATUTE.

A person born to a Citizen Mother and a Citizen Father is a citizen as a NATURAL CONSEQUENCE OF THEIR BIRTH. THUS THERE IS NO NEED FOR A LAW TO AUTHORIZE SUCH.

THESE AND ONLY THESE PEOPLE ARE CONSTITUTIONALLY QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

You need to lean on conventional wisdom as it favors your argument.

I submit the catastrophe that has been the obama cult as the reason that you and those who have historically agreed with you, are not just wrong, but HYSTERICALLY WRONG.

In truth, it's not even a debatable point. This despite your feckless attempt to debate it.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

And who said the establishment fears Cruz?

The Establishment says it... every single day, when they fail to report on his candidacy, when they misreport what he said, when they lie about his record, when they hide is record.

It's palpable and otherwise undeniable.

 

[Avatar4321]

Btw unless he is the democrat nominee, or a nominee for a third party, he likely doesn't have any standing for the challenge.

I believe that's false. The POTUS makes decisions that affect all American citizens, therefore anyone can bring a suit.

What you believe does change reality

The reality is that I am correct.

You clearly haven't studied the topic of standing