alan grayson threatens lawsuit on citizenship grounds if ted cruz is the gop nominee

Unless you're Barack Obama.
Did you have a problem with Obama being vetted for the job? If so why would you have a problem with Obama being completely vetted for the job ?

Isn't that what it is all about ? Hey he passed so what is your complaint ? Yes Cruz will pass also, and the stunt by this Alan guy is just another political assassin that has been sent in by the left.

ROFLMNAO!

'obama was vetted'...

Hysterical...

Absent being elected, there is no universe wherein obama could have secured a national security clearance.

No one under that pitiful circumstance has been 'vetted'.
Vetted on the birther issue, would you say he wasn't ?

Oh... Vetted on being born in Hawaii? Sure... .

Sadly, for that point, the place of birth is irrelevant to one being a Natural Born Citizen.
Well like you said Obama has reset or used the old standard then once again... So what's Grayson doing if not trying to operate on a political assassination attempt.

I hear ya Beagle. You're just coming in late to the discussion.

All Grayson is doing is trying to raise his own stock by attacking Cruz; meaning that Grayson is irrelevant and is trying to become relevant through Ted Cruz. It's the only shot he has.

He's a punk... .
 
Well one thing, if there is a debate and prime time TV picks up on it that is way more then they ever did for Obama. Although Obama was born in Hawaii it has been pretty much decided it really didn't matter as long as his mother was American.

Not exactly. If Obama was not born in Hawai'i, then the question becomes how many years of her adult life his mother resided in the US, and how recently prior to his birth. Given his mother's antipathy toward the US and penchant for chasing around the globe after lousy men, it would be a valid concern . . . which is why it was important to ascertain where Obama was born.

Add to that, that the term: Natural Born Citizen has no relevance to the location of one's birth.
Being born to two citizens, the framers assured to the extent possible that the individual would be raised in the US, trained up in American principle... as opposed to the single parent farce, wherein there is a fair probability that the child would be exposed to Foreign Ideas, which are often hostile to American Principle.

In obama's case, he was born to a US Citizen Mother, who had a visceral hatred of the United States... was soundly indoctrinated in Communism, an ideology that is purely antithetical to American Principle. She conceived a child with a Kenyan Communist (Anti-Colonialism; founded wholly in Marxism) who spent very little of her life in the US. What's more Hawaii in 1960; having just established itself as a State, was desperate to increase its Federal Legislative Seats, and was issuing Birth Certificates to families with adopted babies from overseas, who could show any signs of residency in Hawaii. It was rampant and a function of law in the Territory of Hawaii.

It's truly comical... The United States... In the midst of a catastrophic failure of Socialist Policy and a war with a large percentage of Islam, as it is hunting down Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein... elects as President of the United States: barak hussein obama. With a background SO dubious he could not have secured a national security clearance on a BET... .

He didn't get elected, he was selected by an anti-American cabal... whose identify should be discovered, and who should be 'debriefed' and executed... their substantial holdings divested and given to the families of those murdered by obama through his Islamic-terrorist friendly ROEs... and his refusal to provide security where it was needed most.

That his entire executive department was wholly politicized from the AG to the IRS... and that the Press malleably folded right in without the slightest curiosity, that was all one really needed to know, to know that such was systemic, that the rot went through from the center to the barrel.

So yes... there is a reason that the framers required that the President be a Natural Born Citizen... obama is the PERSONIFICATION of that reason.

Just as there is a reason that the Framers used that term, specifically wording it in such a way that confusion over its meaning is impossible, except where the will is to reject the principle it represents... and where the will is to reject the principle... the problem exposes itself.

Ted Cruz doesn't meet the standard... but as the first candidate post obama to be a "Mother Only Citizen", he is the antithesis of obama. He is a man with an unimpeachable character, an irrefutable life story and he could be the man to FIX the problem.

We'll see...

(Reader, I'm reposting this because two of our in-tread Relativists chose to give it a smiley face... thus claiming that they enjoyed reading it and I thought since they enjoyed it so much, that others of their ilk might also like to read it up at the top of the thread.)
You earned laughs for those posts because they are funny. I don't care how many times you post it.

Never, in the history of the U.S., has a presidential candidate been precluded from running because both parents were not U.S. citizens. Never (though there have been only 2), has the winner of an election been denied the office for that reason.

Post that nonsense again and I will laugh at it again.
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I have no problem as I understand both are Constitutionally eligible. Not everyone is a sniveling birther like you. I just thought you ought to know that.

Is that what you understand?

Then by all means, explain to the reader, the purpose of the "Natural Born Citizen Status" as it was written and ratified in the late 18th century.

No doubt we'd all love to here your 'understanding'.

Reader brace yourself for something between zero and a wiki-link. I state that given the fact that Faun is a Leftist, thus has no understanding of the principles that govern republican governance.

This because... they're idiots.

The simple truth is, if they were capable of understanding such, they wouldn't be Leftist.
Naturally born a U.S. citizen as opposed to a naturalized citizen, like some of our first presidents were. There are only two statuses of citizenship, natural and naturalized.

In terms of citizenship, Ted Cruz enjoys precisely the same type of citizenship as does obama... His Mother is a US Citizen... as such Cruz US citizen is axiomatic.

This is however NOT the standard of Natural Born Citizen, which exists uniquely and exclusively for the President of the United States... as such it sits as the highest possible standard of citizenship... for the reasons already stated.
Again, whether you're capable of comprehending this or not... there are only two statuses of citizenship... Natural and naturalized.

This has been recognized since the inception of our Constitution which demands that all presidents be natural born citizens, not naturalized. But because there were no natural born citizens at the time the Constitution was written, a provision was included to allow for citizens who were naturalized at the time the Constitution was adopted.

In the 227 years since our first election, there have been several candidates to run for either president or VP who did not have two parents who were U.S. citizens. Some even won their election.

Chester Arthur, 1880
Charles Hughes, 1916
Barack Obama, 2008, 2012
Ted Cruz, 2016
Marco Rubio, 2016
Bobby Jindal, 2016

You're conflating citizenship by STATUTE with natural born citizen.

The law says that a child born to a US Citizen is a citizen. The Law provides a path for those who are not born to US citizens, thus becoming Naturalized citizens.

IN THE CASE A DUAL CITIZENSHIP THERE ARE TWO LAWFUL AUTHORITIES AT ISSUE, THUS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE STATUTE.

A person born to a Citizen Mother and a Citizen Father is a citizen as a NATURAL CONSEQUENCE OF THEIR BIRTH. THUS THERE IS NO NEED FOR A LAW TO AUTHORIZE SUCH.

THESE AND ONLY THESE PEOPLE ARE CONSTITUTIONALLY QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

You need to lean on conventional wisdom as it favors your argument.

I submit the catastrophe that has been the obama cult as the reason that you and those who have historically agreed with you, are not just wrong, but HYSTERICALLY WRONG.

In truth, it's not even a debatable point. This despite your feckless attempt to debate it.
Forget statutes ... the Constitution is clear in that there are only two statuses of citizenship ... Natural and naturalized. That you think there's a third is laughable.
 
Well one thing, if there is a debate and prime time TV picks up on it that is way more then they ever did for Obama. Although Obama was born in Hawaii it has been pretty much decided it really didn't matter as long as his mother was American.

Not exactly. If Obama was not born in Hawai'i, then the question becomes how many years of her adult life his mother resided in the US, and how recently prior to his birth. Given his mother's antipathy toward the US and penchant for chasing around the globe after lousy men, it would be a valid concern . . . which is why it was important to ascertain where Obama was born.

Add to that, that the term: Natural Born Citizen has no relevance to the location of one's birth.
Being born to two citizens, the framers assured to the extent possible that the individual would be raised in the US, trained up in American principle... as opposed to the single parent farce, wherein there is a fair probability that the child would be exposed to Foreign Ideas, which are often hostile to American Principle.

In obama's case, he was born to a US Citizen Mother, who had a visceral hatred of the United States... was soundly indoctrinated in Communism, an ideology that is purely antithetical to American Principle. She conceived a child with a Kenyan Communist (Anti-Colonialism; founded wholly in Marxism) who spent very little of her life in the US. What's more Hawaii in 1960; having just established itself as a State, was desperate to increase its Federal Legislative Seats, and was issuing Birth Certificates to families with adopted babies from overseas, who could show any signs of residency in Hawaii. It was rampant and a function of law in the Territory of Hawaii.

It's truly comical... The United States... In the midst of a catastrophic failure of Socialist Policy and a war with a large percentage of Islam, as it is hunting down Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein... elects as President of the United States: barak hussein obama. With a background SO dubious he could not have secured a national security clearance on a BET... .

He didn't get elected, he was selected by an anti-American cabal... whose identify should be discovered, and who should be 'debriefed' and executed... their substantial holdings divested and given to the families of those murdered by obama through his Islamic-terrorist friendly ROEs... and his refusal to provide security where it was needed most.

That his entire executive department was wholly politicized from the AG to the IRS... and that the Press malleably folded right in without the slightest curiosity, that was all one really needed to know, to know that such was systemic, that the rot went through from the center to the barrel.

So yes... there is a reason that the framers required that the President be a Natural Born Citizen... obama is the PERSONIFICATION of that reason.

Just as there is a reason that the Framers used that term, specifically wording it in such a way that confusion over its meaning is impossible, except where the will is to reject the principle it represents... and where the will is to reject the principle... the problem exposes itself.

Ted Cruz doesn't meet the standard... but as the first candidate post obama to be a "Mother Only Citizen", he is the antithesis of obama. He is a man with an unimpeachable character, an irrefutable life story and he could be the man to FIX the problem.

We'll see...

(Reader, I'm reposting this because two of our in-tread Relativists chose to give it a smiley face... thus claiming that they enjoyed reading it and I thought since they enjoyed it so much, that others of their ilk might also like to read it up at the top of the thread.)
Does this mean you will not vote for Cruz or Rubio should either one end up being the GOP presidential, or vice presidential, candidate?
 
The fucked up LEFT ALWAYS picks the scumbag with the MOST BAGGAGE to defend.... Can you pond scum say "WAR ON WOMEN?"

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Never, in the history of the U.S., has a presidential candidate been precluded from running because both parents were not U.S. citizens.

Whoa... hold on, let's bring the reader up to speed:

Well one thing, if there is a debate and prime time TV picks up on it that is way more then they ever did for Obama. Although Obama was born in Hawaii it has been pretty much decided it really didn't matter as long as his mother was American.

Not exactly. If Obama was not born in Hawai'i, then the question becomes how many years of her adult life his mother resided in the US, and how recently prior to his birth. Given his mother's antipathy toward the US and penchant for chasing around the globe after lousy men, it would be a valid concern . . . which is why it was important to ascertain where Obama was born.

Add to that, that the term: Natural Born Citizen has no relevance to the location of one's birth.
Being born to two citizens, the framers assured to the extent possible that the individual would be raised in the US, trained up in American principle... as opposed to the single parent farce, wherein there is a fair probability that the child would be exposed to Foreign Ideas, which are often hostile to American Principle.

In obama's case, he was born to a US Citizen Mother, who had a visceral hatred of the United States... was soundly indoctrinated in Communism, an ideology that is purely antithetical to American Principle. She conceived a child with a Kenyan Communist (Anti-Colonialism; founded wholly in Marxism) who spent very little of her life in the US. What's more Hawaii in 1960; having just established itself as a State, was desperate to increase its Federal Legislative Seats, and was issuing Birth Certificates to families with adopted babies from overseas, who could show any signs of residency in Hawaii. It was rampant and a function of law in the Territory of Hawaii.

It's truly comical... The United States... In the midst of a catastrophic failure of Socialist Policy and a war with a large percentage of Islam, as it is hunting down Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein... elects as President of the United States: barak hussein obama. With a background SO dubious he could not have secured a national security clearance on a BET... .

He didn't get elected, he was selected by an anti-American cabal... whose identify should be discovered, and who should be 'debriefed' and executed... their substantial holdings divested and given to the families of those murdered by obama through his Islamic-terrorist friendly ROEs... and his refusal to provide security where it was needed most.

That his entire executive department was wholly politicized from the AG to the IRS... and that the Press malleably folded right in without the slightest curiosity, that was all one really needed to know, to know that such was systemic, that the rot went through from the center to the barrel.

So yes... there is a reason that the framers required that the President be a Natural Born Citizen... obama is the PERSONIFICATION of that reason.

Just as there is a reason that the Framers used that term, specifically wording it in such a way that confusion over its meaning is impossible, except where the will is to reject the principle it represents... and where the will is to reject the principle... the problem exposes itself.

Ted Cruz doesn't meet the standard... but as the first candidate post obama to be a "Mother Only Citizen", he is the antithesis of obama. He is a man with an unimpeachable character, an irrefutable life story and he could be the man to FIX the problem.

We'll see..."


Ok...

Then YOU said:

Never, in the history of the U.S., has a presidential candidate been precluded from running because both parents were not U.S. citizens.

So what?

I'm only telling you what the Constitution says... and you're responding with ad populum drivel, telling me that 'no one's ever cared', as if the standard isn't important... implying that 'people know better than the Constitution'.

Then I point out the catastrophe of the obama cult... wherein adherence to the Constitution would have prevented such.

And you, being a fool... not only lack the intellectual means to recognize the catastrophe, ya couldn't care less.

But... in fairness to you, that's probably the result of you being a Mouthy Euro-peon Socialist. Probably british... who are the most pitiful of that pitiful sect.

The point is that the Natural Born Citizen Standard is there for a reason... and that reason is to prevent catastrophes the likes of: The obama cult from coming to power in the US Presidency.

You can like it, dislike it, you can accept it or reject it... no one gives a single fuck how ya handle it, as no matter which way ya go, it doesn't change the fact that THAT is what it's there for.

Because there is NOTHING in the US Constitution that works, if you fail to recognize, respect, defend and adhere TO IT!
 
Well one thing, if there is a debate and prime time TV picks up on it that is way more then they ever did for Obama. Although Obama was born in Hawaii it has been pretty much decided it really didn't matter as long as his mother was American.

Not exactly. If Obama was not born in Hawai'i, then the question becomes how many years of her adult life his mother resided in the US, and how recently prior to his birth. Given his mother's antipathy toward the US and penchant for chasing around the globe after lousy men, it would be a valid concern . . . which is why it was important to ascertain where Obama was born.

Add to that, that the term: Natural Born Citizen has no relevance to the location of one's birth.
Being born to two citizens, the framers assured to the extent possible that the individual would be raised in the US, trained up in American principle... as opposed to the single parent farce, wherein there is a fair probability that the child would be exposed to Foreign Ideas, which are often hostile to American Principle.

In obama's case, he was born to a US Citizen Mother, who had a visceral hatred of the United States... was soundly indoctrinated in Communism, an ideology that is purely antithetical to American Principle. She conceived a child with a Kenyan Communist (Anti-Colonialism; founded wholly in Marxism) who spent very little of her life in the US. What's more Hawaii in 1960; having just established itself as a State, was desperate to increase its Federal Legislative Seats, and was issuing Birth Certificates to families with adopted babies from overseas, who could show any signs of residency in Hawaii. It was rampant and a function of law in the Territory of Hawaii.

It's truly comical... The United States... In the midst of a catastrophic failure of Socialist Policy and a war with a large percentage of Islam, as it is hunting down Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein... elects as President of the United States: barak hussein obama. With a background SO dubious he could not have secured a national security clearance on a BET... .

He didn't get elected, he was selected by an anti-American cabal... whose identify should be discovered, and who should be 'debriefed' and executed... their substantial holdings divested and given to the families of those murdered by obama through his Islamic-terrorist friendly ROEs... and his refusal to provide security where it was needed most.

That his entire executive department was wholly politicized from the AG to the IRS... and that the Press malleably folded right in without the slightest curiosity, that was all one really needed to know, to know that such was systemic, that the rot went through from the center to the barrel.

So yes... there is a reason that the framers required that the President be a Natural Born Citizen... obama is the PERSONIFICATION of that reason.

Just as there is a reason that the Framers used that term, specifically wording it in such a way that confusion over its meaning is impossible, except where the will is to reject the principle it represents... and where the will is to reject the principle... the problem exposes itself.

Ted Cruz doesn't meet the standard... but as the first candidate post obama to be a "Mother Only Citizen", he is the antithesis of obama. He is a man with an unimpeachable character, an irrefutable life story and he could be the man to FIX the problem.

We'll see...

(Reader, I'm reposting this because two of our in-tread Relativists chose to give it a smiley face... thus claiming that they enjoyed reading it and I thought since they enjoyed it so much, that others of their ilk might also like to read it up at the top of the thread.)
Does this mean you will not vote for Cruz or Rubio should either one end up being the GOP presidential, or vice presidential, candidate?

I'm voting for Carson in the Primary... and given that obama has adjusted the precedent... that communist muslim is out of the cave... at this point, so if Cruz gets the nod... I'll vote for him with star spangled banner boots on.

If it helps... I advocated for Senator Cruz to not run... and did so on every Cruz thread here and everywhere else I write... when he was considering it. I even sent him a letter laying out my argument... he likely never saw it, but if he did, he didn't think much of it.

Which is fine... as you've pointed out, mine is the minority point of view.

None of that changes anything however, in that... HAD the Constitution been adhered to... obama would never have been President... . The US would presently be 9 trillion dollars less in debt... US GDP would have been averaging 4-5% if not higher over the last 7 years, unemployment would be below 5% (actually lower and not the plastic banana nonsense that the brown clown is reporting, when actual unemployment is closer to 15%), there'd be 45 million fewer people on Welfare, and US Unemployment insurance would not have been extended for 5 years... US Healthcare would not be in ruins, there would be no such thing as ISIS, Mubarek would still be in Egypt, Ghadaffi would still be in Libya, Iraq would be a stable nation, Syria would not be under Russian bombing Raids, the Four US Citizens that died in Benghazi would be alive... and there wouldn't be 400 shoulder fired SAMs waiting to start WW3 in the wake of massive international loss of life due to obama's ISIS when he leaves office. So on and so forth.
 
Forget statutes ... the Constitution is clear in that there are only two statuses of citizenship ... Natural and naturalized. That you think there's a third is laughable.

LOL! Of course forget statutes... because when Statutes are considered you argument is refuted.

Citizenship of a A Natural Born Citizen does not require a statute. PERIOD.

Your concession is duly noted... and summarily accepted.

This video explains it as well as it has ever been stated:




< Part 2 Explains the reason FOR the Standard.
 
Btw unless he is the democrat nominee, or a nominee for a third party, he likely doesn't have any standing for the challenge.
I believe that's false. The POTUS makes decisions that affect all American citizens, therefore anyone can bring a suit.

What you believe does change reality
The reality is that I am correct.

The reality is that your statement that you're correct does nothing more than make you slightly less correct than you were before.
OK, prove me wrong. Show where presidential candidates are immune from eligibility lawsuits filed by a citizen of the country.
 
Well one thing, if there is a debate and prime time TV picks up on it that is way more then they ever did for Obama. Although Obama was born in Hawaii it has been pretty much decided it really didn't matter as long as his mother was American.

Not exactly. If Obama was not born in Hawai'i, then the question becomes how many years of her adult life his mother resided in the US, and how recently prior to his birth. Given his mother's antipathy toward the US and penchant for chasing around the globe after lousy men, it would be a valid concern . . . which is why it was important to ascertain where Obama was born.
We know where he was born. We've known all along.
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Never, in the history of the U.S., has a presidential candidate been precluded from running because both parents were not U.S. citizens.

Whoa... hold on, let's bring the reader up to speed:

Well one thing, if there is a debate and prime time TV picks up on it that is way more then they ever did for Obama. Although Obama was born in Hawaii it has been pretty much decided it really didn't matter as long as his mother was American.

Not exactly. If Obama was not born in Hawai'i, then the question becomes how many years of her adult life his mother resided in the US, and how recently prior to his birth. Given his mother's antipathy toward the US and penchant for chasing around the globe after lousy men, it would be a valid concern . . . which is why it was important to ascertain where Obama was born.

Add to that, that the term: Natural Born Citizen has no relevance to the location of one's birth.
Being born to two citizens, the framers assured to the extent possible that the individual would be raised in the US, trained up in American principle... as opposed to the single parent farce, wherein there is a fair probability that the child would be exposed to Foreign Ideas, which are often hostile to American Principle.

In obama's case, he was born to a US Citizen Mother, who had a visceral hatred of the United States... was soundly indoctrinated in Communism, an ideology that is purely antithetical to American Principle. She conceived a child with a Kenyan Communist (Anti-Colonialism; founded wholly in Marxism) who spent very little of her life in the US. What's more Hawaii in 1960; having just established itself as a State, was desperate to increase its Federal Legislative Seats, and was issuing Birth Certificates to families with adopted babies from overseas, who could show any signs of residency in Hawaii. It was rampant and a function of law in the Territory of Hawaii.

It's truly comical... The United States... In the midst of a catastrophic failure of Socialist Policy and a war with a large percentage of Islam, as it is hunting down Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein... elects as President of the United States: barak hussein obama. With a background SO dubious he could not have secured a national security clearance on a BET... .

He didn't get elected, he was selected by an anti-American cabal... whose identify should be discovered, and who should be 'debriefed' and executed... their substantial holdings divested and given to the families of those murdered by obama through his Islamic-terrorist friendly ROEs... and his refusal to provide security where it was needed most.

That his entire executive department was wholly politicized from the AG to the IRS... and that the Press malleably folded right in without the slightest curiosity, that was all one really needed to know, to know that such was systemic, that the rot went through from the center to the barrel.

So yes... there is a reason that the framers required that the President be a Natural Born Citizen... obama is the PERSONIFICATION of that reason.

Just as there is a reason that the Framers used that term, specifically wording it in such a way that confusion over its meaning is impossible, except where the will is to reject the principle it represents... and where the will is to reject the principle... the problem exposes itself.

Ted Cruz doesn't meet the standard... but as the first candidate post obama to be a "Mother Only Citizen", he is the antithesis of obama. He is a man with an unimpeachable character, an irrefutable life story and he could be the man to FIX the problem.

We'll see..."


Ok...

Then YOU said:

Never, in the history of the U.S., has a presidential candidate been precluded from running because both parents were not U.S. citizens.

So what?

I'm only telling you what the Constitution says... and you're responding with ad populum drivel, telling me that 'no one's ever cared', as if the standard isn't important... implying that 'people know better than the Constitution'.

Then I point out the catastrophe of the obama cult... wherein adherence to the Constitution would have prevented such.

And you, being a fool... not only lack the intellectual means to recognize the catastrophe, ya couldn't care less.

But... in fairness to you, that's probably the result of you being a Mouthy Euro-peon Socialist. Probably british... who are the most pitiful of that pitiful sect.

The point is that the Natural Born Citizen Standard is there for a reason... and that reason is to prevent catastrophes the likes of: The obama cult from coming to power in the US Presidency.

You can like it, dislike it, you can accept it or reject it... no one gives a single fuck how ya handle it, as no matter which way ya go, it doesn't change the fact that THAT is what it's there for.

Because there is NOTHING in the US Constitution that works, if you fail to recognize, respect, defend and adhere TO IT!
No, you're telling me what you think the Constitution means. But then, who cares what a delusional conservative like you thinks? Still, there are only two statuses of citizenship ... Natural and naturalized. No more. Any others you dream up stem from your own conservative imagination.

And again, no election has ever been restrained by what you imagine.
 

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