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No, because chances are too slim that Cruz will be the GOP nominee."alan grayson threatens lawsuit on citizenship grounds if ted cruz is the gop nominee"
A lawsuit that will not need to be filed.
Because Hillary Clinton is such a charismatic leader that people are orgasmically excited about?
I don't blame you Democrats for freaking. If I had to push a dud like that, I'd be looking for a magic cure, too.
While I agree with you, many on the right do not and will not vote for Cruz should he be the GOP nominee.That's true. They were naturalized citizens of the U.S. when they became president; for which, the Constitution made provisions. There are, only two classifications of U.S. citizens, natural or naturalized.Wow, no one was qualified to be president at that time. Brilliant.THAT'S A BULLSHIT ARGUMENT.
GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS BORN IN VIRGINIA ON FEBRUARY 22nd, 1732.AT THAT TIME VIRGINIA WAS NOT PART OF THE US.
7 out of 8 of our first Presidents were not born in the United States since it was not the United States when they were born.
Yes, and the law covers this situation, as well, by stating that the children of US citizens are US citizens, regardless of whether their moms drop them here or elsewhere.
No, because chances are too slim that Cruz will be the GOP nominee."alan grayson threatens lawsuit on citizenship grounds if ted cruz is the gop nominee"
A lawsuit that will not need to be filed.
Because Hillary Clinton is such a charismatic leader that people are orgasmically excited about?
I don't blame you Democrats for freaking. If I had to push a dud like that, I'd be looking for a magic cure, too.
well youre exaggerating my stance but I do think,anymore, anyone with a tie to Golman-Sachs is an insidernot sure where you're coming from here......Cruz's parents weren't "on the road" in fact Cruzes Dad once fought for Castro as I understand it.
I didn't say Cruz's parents were on the Road. Cruz's Mother was and remains a US Citizen. So with regard to 'the obama precedent'... he's qualified.
'Location of birth' is irrelevant to being a natural born citizen.
That said, Constitutionally.... Cruz is disqualified from office.
I'm on record throughout this board stating this at the outset of his campaign. I wrote to the Senator and told him as much and as expected... he ignored my advice and that of others expressing the same sentiment.
That said... while I am going to vote for Doctor Ben Carson in the Primary, I support Senator Cruz as a candidate... on the basis that the practical precedent has been altered and for all intents and purposes, there is no standard in play in any US institution anywhere, at any level for any reason, including candidates for the office of the Presidency... and should Cruz prevail in being nominated, I will vote for him.
In a stunning irony, while being constitutionally disqualified from office, Cruz is among the finest human beings and certainly among the sharpest minds to ever overtly seek the office.
Perhaps... just perhaps, he'll win office and go about the unenviable work of culling the nation of the subversives present in the citizenry, from the citizenry and openly reinstate the constitutional standard, going forward.
ok, well if you think that strictly, constitutionally, speaking he is ineligible Then I agree and think I understand your position.
And while I think he violates the letter of the law......not really the spirit of it.
I have other problems with Cruz, he has the feel of a shill I think......the rhetoric of an outsider ...with the resume of an insider.
Based upon what exactly?
And I'm asking honestly. I'd truly like to know what it is that you're getting, that I'm missing.
well, he worked in the federal bureaucracy dealing with trade for some time, that and his wife works for goldman-sachs...thats what I think makes him an insider.
No, it doesn't. One does not have to be a drunken, unemployed jackwagon in a wife-beater attending Occupy Wall Street protests in order to be outside and opposed to the entrenched, business-as-usual establishment.
This is just another example of how the simplistic, all-or-nothing mentality of the Left falls horribly short of effectiveness in real life.
Sounds like you think Conservatives and Republicans would vote for someone they believe is not Constitutionally eligible. While most would, many will put ethics above politics and not vote for him.While I agree with you, many on the right do not and will not vote for Cruz should he be the GOP nominee.That's true. They were naturalized citizens of the U.S. when they became president; for which, the Constitution made provisions. There are, only two classifications of U.S. citizens, natural or naturalized.Wow, no one was qualified to be president at that time. Brilliant.
7 out of 8 of our first Presidents were not born in the United States since it was not the United States when they were born.
Yes, and the law covers this situation, as well, by stating that the children of US citizens are US citizens, regardless of whether their moms drop them here or elsewhere.
I disagree. I can see the mushy center staying home and allowing Clinton or Sanders to walk away with the Presidency by default, but I do not see people on the right doing so. Not with Cruz as the candidate. I could maybe see it if Trump gets the nomination.
Whatever objectionable qualities Cruz has aren't really things that are objectionable to conservatives.
well youre exaggerating my stance but I do think,anymore, anyone with a tie to Golman-Sachs is an insiderI didn't say Cruz's parents were on the Road. Cruz's Mother was and remains a US Citizen. So with regard to 'the obama precedent'... he's qualified.
'Location of birth' is irrelevant to being a natural born citizen.
That said, Constitutionally.... Cruz is disqualified from office.
I'm on record throughout this board stating this at the outset of his campaign. I wrote to the Senator and told him as much and as expected... he ignored my advice and that of others expressing the same sentiment.
That said... while I am going to vote for Doctor Ben Carson in the Primary, I support Senator Cruz as a candidate... on the basis that the practical precedent has been altered and for all intents and purposes, there is no standard in play in any US institution anywhere, at any level for any reason, including candidates for the office of the Presidency... and should Cruz prevail in being nominated, I will vote for him.
In a stunning irony, while being constitutionally disqualified from office, Cruz is among the finest human beings and certainly among the sharpest minds to ever overtly seek the office.
Perhaps... just perhaps, he'll win office and go about the unenviable work of culling the nation of the subversives present in the citizenry, from the citizenry and openly reinstate the constitutional standard, going forward.
ok, well if you think that strictly, constitutionally, speaking he is ineligible Then I agree and think I understand your position.
And while I think he violates the letter of the law......not really the spirit of it.
I have other problems with Cruz, he has the feel of a shill I think......the rhetoric of an outsider ...with the resume of an insider.
Based upon what exactly?
And I'm asking honestly. I'd truly like to know what it is that you're getting, that I'm missing.
well, he worked in the federal bureaucracy dealing with trade for some time, that and his wife works for goldman-sachs...thats what I think makes him an insider.
No, it doesn't. One does not have to be a drunken, unemployed jackwagon in a wife-beater attending Occupy Wall Street protests in order to be outside and opposed to the entrenched, business-as-usual establishment.
This is just another example of how the simplistic, all-or-nothing mentality of the Left falls horribly short of effectiveness in real life.
Sounds like you think Conservatives and Republicans would vote for someone they believe is not Constitutionally eligible. While most would, many will put ethics above politics and not vote for him.While I agree with you, many on the right do not and will not vote for Cruz should he be the GOP nominee.That's true. They were naturalized citizens of the U.S. when they became president; for which, the Constitution made provisions. There are, only two classifications of U.S. citizens, natural or naturalized.7 out of 8 of our first Presidents were not born in the United States since it was not the United States when they were born.
Yes, and the law covers this situation, as well, by stating that the children of US citizens are US citizens, regardless of whether their moms drop them here or elsewhere.
I disagree. I can see the mushy center staying home and allowing Clinton or Sanders to walk away with the Presidency by default, but I do not see people on the right doing so. Not with Cruz as the candidate. I could maybe see it if Trump gets the nomination.
Whatever objectionable qualities Cruz has aren't really things that are objectionable to conservatives.
I think Cruz is playing the right for fools......like I said above he has the classic positioning of a shill,rhetoric of an outsider, resume of an insider.ok, well if you think that strictly, constitutionally, speaking he is ineligible Then I agree and think I understand your position.
And while I think he violates the letter of the law......not really the spirit of it.
I have other problems with Cruz, he has the feel of a shill I think......the rhetoric of an outsider ...with the resume of an insider.
Based upon what exactly?
And I'm asking honestly. I'd truly like to know what it is that you're getting, that I'm missing.
well, he worked in the federal bureaucracy dealing with trade for some time, that and his wife works for goldman-sachs...thats what I think makes him an insider.
Hmm... well, ok. We can agree to disagree on that and what all that means.
But just as an FYI, prior to becoming the US Senator for the State of Texas, Cruz worked for the State of Texas. To the best of my knowledge, he's never worked for the US Federal Government.
I could be wrong, but that's my understanding.
Let me know what ya have that is different from that, will ya?
Not being a Leftist, I'm a lot more concerned with what Cruz's actions were in working with whatever level of government, rather than simply a kneejerk rejection of anyone with any experience with government.
It's like the real world requires thought and maturity and discernment, or something.
I couldn't agree more.
Cruz is about as far out of the bureaucracy as it gets, and still have experience in government. His work as Texas Solicitor General in taking on the United States and winning, says a lot about what and who Cruz is.
The chronic Leftist pant wetting over Cruz is all anyone of reason needs to know, to know who they're most worried about.
The coolest part is that they have no one to run against Cruz or anyone else... Doc Carson is a political neophyte, and they can't even face him. And why is that?
It's because of the same reasons that the can't compete with Cruz... He's a highly principled man, who is well versed in American Principle, knows exactly who he is, where he's going and doesn't give a single dam' about the Left, is vehemently offended by Political Correctness and loathes the media, what it is and what it represents.
Trump... LOL... Wild Card of Wild Cards.
Personally... I think Trump has a gift for defending Trumps own interests. At the moment his interests rests in getting the highest ratings, and setting the press on it's ass. And he's doing that by playing on the visceral hatred of the Ideological Left by each and every American, and their deep seated hope that he will bring to the Left some deep seated pain; reversal of o-cult-care... reversal of the Federal Licensing of Degeneracy... total annihilation of the Islamic pests and the shutting down of every facet of Left-think set into public policy over the last 70 years.
It's a dream that will never materialize, but its a wonderful dream nonetheless. Trumps in for Trump. Now and forever. And his Ego makes that of the Brown Clown something closer to Gandhi.
I think Cruz is playing the right for fools......like I said above he has the classic positioning of a shill,rhetoric of an outsider, resume of an insider.Based upon what exactly?
And I'm asking honestly. I'd truly like to know what it is that you're getting, that I'm missing.
well, he worked in the federal bureaucracy dealing with trade for some time, that and his wife works for goldman-sachs...thats what I think makes him an insider.
Hmm... well, ok. We can agree to disagree on that and what all that means.
But just as an FYI, prior to becoming the US Senator for the State of Texas, Cruz worked for the State of Texas. To the best of my knowledge, he's never worked for the US Federal Government.
I could be wrong, but that's my understanding.
Let me know what ya have that is different from that, will ya?
Not being a Leftist, I'm a lot more concerned with what Cruz's actions were in working with whatever level of government, rather than simply a kneejerk rejection of anyone with any experience with government.
It's like the real world requires thought and maturity and discernment, or something.
I couldn't agree more.
Cruz is about as far out of the bureaucracy as it gets, and still have experience in government. His work as Texas Solicitor General in taking on the United States and winning, says a lot about what and who Cruz is.
The chronic Leftist pant wetting over Cruz is all anyone of reason needs to know, to know who they're most worried about.
The coolest part is that they have no one to run against Cruz or anyone else... Doc Carson is a political neophyte, and they can't even face him. And why is that?
It's because of the same reasons that the can't compete with Cruz... He's a highly principled man, who is well versed in American Principle, knows exactly who he is, where he's going and doesn't give a single dam' about the Left, is vehemently offended by Political Correctness and loathes the media, what it is and what it represents.
Trump... LOL... Wild Card of Wild Cards.
Personally... I think Trump has a gift for defending Trumps own interests. At the moment his interests rests in getting the highest ratings, and setting the press on it's ass. And he's doing that by playing on the visceral hatred of the Ideological Left by each and every American, and their deep seated hope that he will bring to the Left some deep seated pain; reversal of o-cult-care... reversal of the Federal Licensing of Degeneracy... total annihilation of the Islamic pests and the shutting down of every facet of Left-think set into public policy over the last 70 years.
It's a dream that will never materialize, but its a wonderful dream nonetheless. Trumps in for Trump. Now and forever. And his Ego makes that of the Brown Clown something closer to Gandhi.
well maybe ...but correctwell youre exaggerating my stance but I do think,anymore, anyone with a tie to Golman-Sachs is an insiderok, well if you think that strictly, constitutionally, speaking he is ineligible Then I agree and think I understand your position.
And while I think he violates the letter of the law......not really the spirit of it.
I have other problems with Cruz, he has the feel of a shill I think......the rhetoric of an outsider ...with the resume of an insider.
Based upon what exactly?
And I'm asking honestly. I'd truly like to know what it is that you're getting, that I'm missing.
well, he worked in the federal bureaucracy dealing with trade for some time, that and his wife works for goldman-sachs...thats what I think makes him an insider.
No, it doesn't. One does not have to be a drunken, unemployed jackwagon in a wife-beater attending Occupy Wall Street protests in order to be outside and opposed to the entrenched, business-as-usual establishment.
This is just another example of how the simplistic, all-or-nothing mentality of the Left falls horribly short of effectiveness in real life.
See above re: simplistic.
well maybe ...but correctwell youre exaggerating my stance but I do think,anymore, anyone with a tie to Golman-Sachs is an insiderBased upon what exactly?
And I'm asking honestly. I'd truly like to know what it is that you're getting, that I'm missing.
well, he worked in the federal bureaucracy dealing with trade for some time, that and his wife works for goldman-sachs...thats what I think makes him an insider.
No, it doesn't. One does not have to be a drunken, unemployed jackwagon in a wife-beater attending Occupy Wall Street protests in order to be outside and opposed to the entrenched, business-as-usual establishment.
This is just another example of how the simplistic, all-or-nothing mentality of the Left falls horribly short of effectiveness in real life.
See above re: simplistic.
Well one thing, if there is a debate and prime time TV picks up on it that is way more then they ever did for Obama. Although Obama was born in Hawaii it has been pretty much decided it really didn't matter as long as his mother was American.
Not exactly. If Obama was not born in Hawai'i, then the question becomes how many years of her adult life his mother resided in the US, and how recently prior to his birth. Given his mother's antipathy toward the US and penchant for chasing around the globe after lousy men, it would be a valid concern . . . which is why it was important to ascertain where Obama was born.
Wrong, as a leftist I should be secretly rooting for the shill, since as a shill he would disrupt the right, "confound their politics", as they sing in Cruzs true Canadian birthplace. But I am one who believes more honesty in politics is needed.I think Cruz is playing the right for fools......like I said above he has the classic positioning of a shill,rhetoric of an outsider, resume of an insider.well, he worked in the federal bureaucracy dealing with trade for some time, that and his wife works for goldman-sachs...thats what I think makes him an insider.
Hmm... well, ok. We can agree to disagree on that and what all that means.
But just as an FYI, prior to becoming the US Senator for the State of Texas, Cruz worked for the State of Texas. To the best of my knowledge, he's never worked for the US Federal Government.
I could be wrong, but that's my understanding.
Let me know what ya have that is different from that, will ya?
Not being a Leftist, I'm a lot more concerned with what Cruz's actions were in working with whatever level of government, rather than simply a kneejerk rejection of anyone with any experience with government.
It's like the real world requires thought and maturity and discernment, or something.
I couldn't agree more.
Cruz is about as far out of the bureaucracy as it gets, and still have experience in government. His work as Texas Solicitor General in taking on the United States and winning, says a lot about what and who Cruz is.
The chronic Leftist pant wetting over Cruz is all anyone of reason needs to know, to know who they're most worried about.
The coolest part is that they have no one to run against Cruz or anyone else... Doc Carson is a political neophyte, and they can't even face him. And why is that?
It's because of the same reasons that the can't compete with Cruz... He's a highly principled man, who is well versed in American Principle, knows exactly who he is, where he's going and doesn't give a single dam' about the Left, is vehemently offended by Political Correctness and loathes the media, what it is and what it represents.
Trump... LOL... Wild Card of Wild Cards.
Personally... I think Trump has a gift for defending Trumps own interests. At the moment his interests rests in getting the highest ratings, and setting the press on it's ass. And he's doing that by playing on the visceral hatred of the Ideological Left by each and every American, and their deep seated hope that he will bring to the Left some deep seated pain; reversal of o-cult-care... reversal of the Federal Licensing of Degeneracy... total annihilation of the Islamic pests and the shutting down of every facet of Left-think set into public policy over the last 70 years.
It's a dream that will never materialize, but its a wonderful dream nonetheless. Trumps in for Trump. Now and forever. And his Ego makes that of the Brown Clown something closer to Gandhi.
I think if God Almighty came down and endorsed Cruz on national television, you would still be shrieking about him, because you're incapable of ever believing anything except leftist talking points.
i know, the birther thing again, doesn't seem to want to go away.
anyway republicans want sick people to die quickly. grayson is back. he is the dizzying hugo chavez of our American congress.
Alan Grayson Threatens Lawsuit on Citizenship Grounds if Ted Cruz Is the GOP Nominee - Breitbart
if you google die quickly, you get this:
COLMES: Well, his mother was born here, so I guess like Obama, though it’s interesting to me the people who had a problem with Obama, though it’s interesting to me that the people who had a problem with Obama’s birth certificate don’t have a problem with Ted Cruz who literally was born in another country and renounced his Canadian citizenry.
GRAYSON: I don’t know … the Constitution says natural-born Americans, so now we’re counting Canadians as natural born Americans? How does that work? I’m waiting for the moment that he gets the nomination and then I will file that beautiful lawsuit saying that he’s unqualified for the job because he’s ineligible.
COLMES: So you’re saying should he get the nomination, Alan Grayson will file a lawsuit against his candidacy.
GRAYSON: Absolutely! Call me crazy but I think the president of America should be an American.
COLMES: Now I wonder, does he qualify because of having an American mother can considered an American citizen and in fact he renounced his Canadian citizenship to be an American citizen, but you’re talking about American birth, but I believe if that’s one of you parents —
GRAYSON: Look, even the anchor babies are actually born here. He doesn’t even meet that qualification.
COLMES: Right. And although I don’t like the term anchor babies, it’s been embraced by people like Donald Trump and Ted Cruz — not Ted Cruz — Marco Rubio who may in fact be one, as I understand.
GRAYSON: Oh, it’s shocking. In Cruz’s case, it is obvious what happened. The Canadians got pissed off at us for acid rain, so they gave us Ted Cruz.
grayson is not considered to be one of the high intellectuals of the DC congress...
alan colmes is just plain creepy.
THAT'S A BULLSHIT ARGUMENT.
GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS BORN IN VIRGINIA ON FEBRUARY 22nd, 1732.AT THAT TIME VIRGINIA WAS NOT PART OF THE US.
Wow, no one was qualified to be president at that time. Brilliant.
7 out of 8 of our first Presidents were not born in the United States since it was not the United States when they were born.
That's true. They were naturalized citizens of the U.S. when they became president; for which, the Constitution made provisions. There are, only two classifications of U.S. citizens, natural or naturalized.
Yes, and the law covers this situation, as well, by stating that the children of US citizens are US citizens, regardless of whether their moms drop them here or elsewhere.
Of course I believe many Conservatives think he's ineligible; because many do. I've even seen some Conservatives here express that sentiment. And that's a reality, not just something that Faun wants to believe.Sounds like you think Conservatives and Republicans would vote for someone they believe is not Constitutionally eligible. While most would, many will put ethics above politics and not vote for him.While I agree with you, many on the right do not and will not vote for Cruz should he be the GOP nominee.That's true. They were naturalized citizens of the U.S. when they became president; for which, the Constitution made provisions. There are, only two classifications of U.S. citizens, natural or naturalized.
Yes, and the law covers this situation, as well, by stating that the children of US citizens are US citizens, regardless of whether their moms drop them here or elsewhere.
I disagree. I can see the mushy center staying home and allowing Clinton or Sanders to walk away with the Presidency by default, but I do not see people on the right doing so. Not with Cruz as the candidate. I could maybe see it if Trump gets the nomination.
Whatever objectionable qualities Cruz has aren't really things that are objectionable to conservatives.
Sounds like you think conservatives and Republicans think Cruz is ineligible, at which point, you might want to investigate the difference between "ethics" and "what Faun wants to believe".
Cruz is fully eligible under our laws to be President. You will not escape him that way, nor will anyone with a teaspoonful of brains fall for your "revenge for Obama" childhood drama. Suck it up and deal.
Did you have a problem with Obama being vetted for the job? If so why would you have a problem with Obama being completely vetted for the job ?Unless you're Barack Obama.That's true. They were naturalized citizens of the U.S. when they became president; for which, the Constitution made provisions. There are, only two classifications of U.S. citizens, natural or naturalized.Wow, no one was qualified to be president at that time. Brilliant.THAT'S A BULLSHIT ARGUMENT.
GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS BORN IN VIRGINIA ON FEBRUARY 22nd, 1732.AT THAT TIME VIRGINIA WAS NOT PART OF THE US.
7 out of 8 of our first Presidents were not born in the United States since it was not the United States when they were born.
Yes, and the law covers this situation, as well, by stating that the children of US citizens are US citizens, regardless of whether their moms drop them here or elsewhere.
Well then they are corrupt then, and they deserve nothing themselves... They are in the tank for corporations and their lobbyist, so if they succeed then the people will lose.Of course I believe many Conservatives think he's ineligible; because many do. I've even seen some Conservatives here express that sentiment. And that's a reality, not just something that Faun wants to believe.Sounds like you think Conservatives and Republicans would vote for someone they believe is not Constitutionally eligible. While most would, many will put ethics above politics and not vote for him.While I agree with you, many on the right do not and will not vote for Cruz should he be the GOP nominee.Yes, and the law covers this situation, as well, by stating that the children of US citizens are US citizens, regardless of whether their moms drop them here or elsewhere.
I disagree. I can see the mushy center staying home and allowing Clinton or Sanders to walk away with the Presidency by default, but I do not see people on the right doing so. Not with Cruz as the candidate. I could maybe see it if Trump gets the nomination.
Whatever objectionable qualities Cruz has aren't really things that are objectionable to conservatives.
Sounds like you think conservatives and Republicans think Cruz is ineligible, at which point, you might want to investigate the difference between "ethics" and "what Faun wants to believe".
Cruz is fully eligible under our laws to be President. You will not escape him that way, nor will anyone with a teaspoonful of brains fall for your "revenge for Obama" childhood drama. Suck it up and deal.
And like it or not, many of those Conservatives will not vote for Cruz because they believe he's ineligible.
Here, birther, you need a tissue...Well one thing, if there is a debate and prime time TV picks up on it that is way more then they ever did for Obama. Although Obama was born in Hawaii it has been pretty much decided it really didn't matter as long as his mother was American.
Not exactly. If Obama was not born in Hawai'i, then the question becomes how many years of her adult life his mother resided in the US, and how recently prior to his birth. Given his mother's antipathy toward the US and penchant for chasing around the globe after lousy men, it would be a valid concern . . . which is why it was important to ascertain where Obama was born.
Add to that, that the term: Natural Born Citizen has no relevance to the location of one's birth.
Being born to two citizens, the framers assured to the extent possible that the individual would be raised in the US, trained up in American principle... as opposed to the single parent farce, wherein there is a fair probability that the child would be exposed to Foreign Ideas, which are often hostile to American Principle.
In obama's case, he was born to a US Citizen Mother, who had a visceral hatred of the United States... was soundly indoctrinated in Communism, an ideology that is purely antithetical to American Principle. She conceived a child with a Kenyan Communist (Anti-Colonialism; founded wholly in Marxism) who spent very little of her life in the US. What's more Hawaii in 1960; having just established itself as a State, was desperate to increase its Federal Legislative Seats, and was issuing Birth Certificates to families with adopted babies from overseas, who could show any signs of residency in Hawaii. It was rampant and a function of law in the Territory of Hawaii.
It's truly comical... The United States... In the midst of a catastrophic failure of Socialist Policy and a war with a large percentage of Islam, as it is hunting down Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein... elects as President of the United States: barak hussein obama. With a background SO dubious he could not have secured a national security clearance on a BET... .
He didn't get elected, he was selected by an anti-American cabal... whose identify should be discovered, and who should be 'debriefed' and executed... their substantial holdings divested and given to the families of those murdered by obama through his Islamic-terrorist friendly ROEs... and his refusal to provide security where it was needed most.
That his entire executive department was wholly politicized from the AG to the IRS... and that the Press malleably folded right in without the slightest curiosity, that was all one really needed to know, to know that such was systemic, that the rot went through from the center to the barrel.
So yes... there is a reason that the framers required that the President be a Natural Born Citizen... obama is the PERSONIFICATION of that reason.
Just as there is a reason that the Framers used that term, specifically wording it in such a way that confusion over its meaning is impossible, except where the will is to reject the principle it represents... and where the will is to reject the principle... the problem exposes itself.
Ted Cruz doesn't meet the standard... but as the first candidate post obama to be a "Mother Only Citizen", he is the antithesis of obama. He is a man with an unimpeachable character, an irrefutable life story and he could be the man to FIX the problem.
We'll see...
Who's corrupt? Republicans and Conservatives who believe Cruz is ineligible?Well then they are corrupt then, and they deserve nothing themselves... They are in the tank for corporations and their lobbyist, so if they succeed then the people will lose.Of course I believe many Conservatives think he's ineligible; because many do. I've even seen some Conservatives here express that sentiment. And that's a reality, not just something that Faun wants to believe.Sounds like you think Conservatives and Republicans would vote for someone they believe is not Constitutionally eligible. While most would, many will put ethics above politics and not vote for him.While I agree with you, many on the right do not and will not vote for Cruz should he be the GOP nominee.
I disagree. I can see the mushy center staying home and allowing Clinton or Sanders to walk away with the Presidency by default, but I do not see people on the right doing so. Not with Cruz as the candidate. I could maybe see it if Trump gets the nomination.
Whatever objectionable qualities Cruz has aren't really things that are objectionable to conservatives.
Sounds like you think conservatives and Republicans think Cruz is ineligible, at which point, you might want to investigate the difference between "ethics" and "what Faun wants to believe".
Cruz is fully eligible under our laws to be President. You will not escape him that way, nor will anyone with a teaspoonful of brains fall for your "revenge for Obama" childhood drama. Suck it up and deal.
And like it or not, many of those Conservatives will not vote for Cruz because they believe he's ineligible.
Of course I believe many Conservatives think he's ineligible; because many do. I've even seen some Conservatives here express that sentiment. And that's a reality, not just something that Faun wants to believe.
And like it or not, many of those Conservatives will not vote for Cruz because they believe he's ineligible.
