Air Force Removes ‘God’ From Logo

[G.T.]

Reason is what resulted in recognizing the idea of Liberty.

We have proof of that.

God either did or did not create the idea of Liberty - we have zero proof of that.

 

[LibertyForAll]

Based on Liberal responses here it sounds like we need to do away with Christmas as a Federal holiday. True separation of Church and State would require it.

On that same note, no more Jews taking off on Jewish holidays. When in a place of business Muslims can no longer pray.

Fair is fair.

I would be in favor of getting rid of all national holidays especially since they aren't an equal benefit for all. Why should government workers get paid to be off more days than the rest of us?

 

[Conservative]

Really and what is your experience with the Air Force? Some of us who served in the Air Force were combat trained.

Actually Combat Survival Training is now a requirement for most deployments, its a month long training with the US Army, so most people in the Air Force now are becoming combat trained.

I spent 8 weeks after tech school with Army special forces and when I PCS to Germany I had 2 months of additional training with them.

All of which led you to NATO, where you learned Obama runs NATO & where you changed urinal cakes in the men's rooms all day...we know, we know.

 

[AmericanFirst]

The more "God" is removed from our government the stronger and freer our great nation becomes. You want God? Go to church.

Absolute religious liberty mandates the strict separation of church and state.





Air Force Removes ‘God’ From Logo | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

A Virginia lawmaker is calling on the Air Force to reverse a decision to remove a Latin reference to “God” from a logo after an atheist group complained.

Rep. Randy Forbes, (R-VA), said the Air Force removed the logo several weeks ago from the Rapid Capabilities Office. The patch included a line written in Latin that read, “Doing God’s Work with Other People’s Money.”

But after the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers complained, Forbes said the line was rewritten in Latin to read, “Doing Miracles with Other People’s Money.”

Forbes, along with a bi-partisan group of 35 lawmakers, sent a letter to Air Force Secretary Michael Donley and Air Force Chief of Staff Norton Schwartz expressing concern over the decision to remove a non-religious reference to God.

“It is most egregious,” Forbes told Fox News. “The Air Force is taking the tone that you can’t even use the word ‘God.’”

Forbes said his office contacted the Air Force and officials there confirmed that the logo had been changed after the atheist group complained.

A spokesman for the Air Force told Fox News they had received the letter and would investigate the claims.

Forbes said the removal of “God” is a “bridge too far in terms of the rights of men and women who serve in our services and their ability to express their faith.”

“But the significance of this is what the Air Force is saying with this move – that the word ‘God’ – whether it has any reference to faith or not, can’t be used in the Air Force,” Forbes said.

He said the incident is one of several in recent months that have caused him to wonder if the military is cleansing itself of religious references.

“It’s a very dangerous course to take,” he said.

“I am concerned that the RCO capitulated to pressure from an outside group that consistently seeks to remove references to God and faith in our military,” he said. ‘The RCO’s action to modify the logo sets a dangerous precedent that all references to God, regardless of context, must be removed from the military.”

Seperation of Church and State is not in the constitution.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Did he stutter?

No, he simply spoke stupidly. I'm thinking it will be your turn to do so next...

What was 'stupid' about what he said?

Liberty doesn't need to be granted, it exists because we are self aware. It is an extension of our conciousness and self worth.

The rights to Life, Liberty and Property exist because our Founders knew that they came from our Creator, and not from the government. These rights do not come from self-awareness. Slaves were and are VERY self-aware, yet they have none of them.

 

[L.K.Eder]

No, he simply spoke stupidly. I'm thinking it will be your turn to do so next...

What was 'stupid' about what he said?

Liberty doesn't need to be granted, it exists because we are self aware. It is an extension of our conciousness and self worth.

The rights to Life, Liberty and Property exist because our Founders knew that they came from our Creator, and not from the government. These rights do not come from self-awareness. Slaves were and are VERY self-aware, yet they have none of them.

of course they had those rights.

 

[G.T.]

No, he simply spoke stupidly. I'm thinking it will be your turn to do so next...

What was 'stupid' about what he said?

Liberty doesn't need to be granted, it exists because we are self aware. It is an extension of our conciousness and self worth.

The rights to Life, Liberty and Property exist because our Founders knew that they came from our Creator, and not from the government. These rights do not come from self-awareness. Slaves were and are VERY self-aware, yet they have none of them.

What does their existence have to do with the Founders, if they came from "our creator?" Did they not exist before the Founders?

That makes no sense.

The rights are from Reason. You can't "prove" otherwise, but we can prove that they were deduced using reason very simply.

 

[Sunni Man]

I would be in favor of getting rid of all national holidays especially since they aren't an equal benefit for all.

N. Korea is the perfect model for the society that Liberal's/ Progressives strive to emulate.

Where everyone and everything is exactly the same for all.

Where misery will be the national mindset; in a monochromatic world of gloom.

 

[LibertyForAll]

No, he simply spoke stupidly. I'm thinking it will be your turn to do so next...

What was 'stupid' about what he said?

Liberty doesn't need to be granted, it exists because we are self aware. It is an extension of our conciousness and self worth.

The rights to Life, Liberty and Property exist because our Founders knew that they came from our Creator, and not from the government. These rights do not come from self-awareness. Slaves were and are VERY self-aware, yet they have none of them.

Having a right does not preclude it from being violated.

 

[G.T.]

I would be in favor of getting rid of all national holidays especially since they aren't an equal benefit for all.

N. Korea is the perfect model for the society that Liberal's/ Progressives strive to emulate.

Where everyone and everything is exactly the same for all.

Where misery will be the national mindset; in a monochromatic world of gloom.

Good for North korea.

 

[GuyPinestra]

What was 'stupid' about what he said?

Liberty doesn't need to be granted, it exists because we are self aware. It is an extension of our conciousness and self worth.

The rights to Life, Liberty and Property exist because our Founders knew that they came from our Creator, and not from the government. These rights do not come from self-awareness. Slaves were and are VERY self-aware, yet they have none of them.

of course they had those rights.

Only in America, and only after the Founders vision of true equality was realized. There are myriad places around the world where slaves and/or citizens, TO THIS DAY, have NONE of these rights.

And yet you would have our nation emulate them...

 

[L.K.Eder]

The rights to Life, Liberty and Property exist because our Founders knew that they came from our Creator, and not from the government. These rights do not come from self-awareness. Slaves were and are VERY self-aware, yet they have none of them.

of course they had those rights.

Only in America, and only after the Founders vision of true equality was realized. There are myriad places around the world where slaves and/or citizens, TO THIS DAY, have NONE of these rights.

And yet you would have our nation emulate them...

look up natural rights. then read some kant.

that concept predates the usa.

oh, and stop bloviating. it is embarrassing.

 

[G.T.]

The rights to Life, Liberty and Property exist because our Founders knew that they came from our Creator, and not from the government. These rights do not come from self-awareness. Slaves were and are VERY self-aware, yet they have none of them.

of course they had those rights.

Only in America, and only after the Founders vision of true equality was realized. There are myriad places around the world where slaves and/or citizens, TO THIS DAY, have NONE of these rights.

And yet you would have our nation emulate them...

obviously not "endowed by their creator" then huh

 

[LibertyForAll]

The more "God" is removed from our government the stronger and freer our great nation becomes. You want God? Go to church.

Absolute religious liberty mandates the strict separation of church and state.





Air Force Removes ‘God’ From Logo | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

A Virginia lawmaker is calling on the Air Force to reverse a decision to remove a Latin reference to “God” from a logo after an atheist group complained.

Rep. Randy Forbes, (R-VA), said the Air Force removed the logo several weeks ago from the Rapid Capabilities Office. The patch included a line written in Latin that read, “Doing God’s Work with Other People’s Money.”

But after the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers complained, Forbes said the line was rewritten in Latin to read, “Doing Miracles with Other People’s Money.”

Forbes, along with a bi-partisan group of 35 lawmakers, sent a letter to Air Force Secretary Michael Donley and Air Force Chief of Staff Norton Schwartz expressing concern over the decision to remove a non-religious reference to God.

“It is most egregious,” Forbes told Fox News. “The Air Force is taking the tone that you can’t even use the word ‘God.’”

Forbes said his office contacted the Air Force and officials there confirmed that the logo had been changed after the atheist group complained.

A spokesman for the Air Force told Fox News they had received the letter and would investigate the claims.

Forbes said the removal of “God” is a “bridge too far in terms of the rights of men and women who serve in our services and their ability to express their faith.”

“But the significance of this is what the Air Force is saying with this move – that the word ‘God’ – whether it has any reference to faith or not, can’t be used in the Air Force,” Forbes said.

He said the incident is one of several in recent months that have caused him to wonder if the military is cleansing itself of religious references.

“It’s a very dangerous course to take,” he said.

“I am concerned that the RCO capitulated to pressure from an outside group that consistently seeks to remove references to God and faith in our military,” he said. ‘The RCO’s action to modify the logo sets a dangerous precedent that all references to God, regardless of context, must be removed from the military.”

Seperation of Church and State is not in the constitution.

Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

[Dot Com]

Anyone remember this clusterfuck at the academy?

The swirl of allegations has pushed the Air Force Academy back into the limelight of controversy. In 2003, an investigation of the academy’s general treatment of women, as well as allegations of sexual assault, led to the dismissal of four top officers in the Air Force. The current charges, insiders say, show an institutional pattern of religious intolerance and a breach of the First Amendment’s prohibition of state-sponsored religion.
“We did find a poisoned atmosphere of discrimination,” said Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. “Whether they were non-believers, Jews or mainstream Christians, there seemed to be a pervasive sense at the academy that there was only one way to heaven and, by extension, one way for you to advance your career, and that was to get with Jesus.”

Read more: Scandal Over Proselytizing Hits Air Force

 

[bodecea]

Says our national motto.

"In God We Trust"

...which was added when & for what reeason? How did the country manage for all that time up til then too?

I'm not going to teach you history of our national motto. I'm sure you may be bright enough to google it yourself.

This country has managed quite well under Judeo-Christian philosphy before the motto was introduced.

Yeah...those Puritans were doing a bang-up job. As were those Baptists who split off in the South.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

...which was added when & for what reeason? How did the country manage for all that time up til then too?

I'm not going to teach you history of our national motto. I'm sure you may be bright enough to google it yourself.

This country has managed quite well under Judeo-Christian philosphy before the motto was introduced.

Yeah...those Puritans were doing a bang-up job. As were those Baptists who split off in the South.

History is your friend. Tell me, when did this country become a country?

 

[bodecea]

You define your creator as GOD I may define my creator as a random series of events culminating in the BIG BANG that ultimately led to me being self aware and able to value freedom. I am free to believe how I want for now and I will. The creator isn't defined in the constitution.

Big Bang?

All well and good.

Who lit the fuse?

and where did the bomb come from?

Jornada del Muerto

 

[J.H.Brightman]

What does their existence have to do with the Founders, if they came from "our creator?" Did they not exist before the Founders?

That makes no sense.

The rights are from Reason. You can't "prove" otherwise, but we can prove that they were deduced using reason very simply.

You can prove nothing. Both the Secularist and the Christian positions on human "rights" are solid FAITH positions.

Here Is The Christian FAITH position:

"All human rights, for example the right to life, come from God" and those rights existed in the mind of God as objective facts prior to the existence of any humans, human governments, water, and dirt.

Here Is A Very Important Statement In World History:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

What I just said is true had the above Important Statement In World History never been written and is true regardless of what the author of the Important Statement In World History meant by his use of the word "Creator" within his statement.

God originated human rights to Life, Liberty, and Property and these rights existed as objective facts in His mind prior to the existence of the thoughts of the men who lived in 1776 A.D., 1276 A.D., and 4000 B.C.

In my view, the following are the only choices with respect to the origins of human rights to Life, Liberty, and Property:

1) - Ground the authority in the mind of God as an objective unchangeable fact

Here are the Secularist FAITH positions:

2) - Ground the authority in the ever changing and reversable moral traditions and precidents set by men .. traditions and precidents that shift and change like the wind

3) - Ground the authority in the historically ever changing strongest military IE "might makes right" .. the most powerful military gets to tell you what your "rights" are

4) - Ground the authority in the changing and reversable and ever conflictual "Majority Votes" of conflicting worldwide cultures, nations, groups, sub-groups, tribes

5) - Ground the authority in your own possiblly changing and reversable personal moral opinions and in the moral opinions of all the people you can get to say you are right at any given moment in time ... I say "at any given moment in time" because human beings change their minds like the shifting winds change directions

6) - Ground the authority in the historically changing and certainly reversable moral opinions of the King, or the Aristocracy, or some Parliament Of Whores

7) - Ground the authority in the certain historically changing and certainly reversable laws written by governments via the outcome of democratic elections keeping in mind a history of government reversals on their previous moral proclamations about various rights and wrongs, including what is or is not human rights

8) - Ground the authority in a Worldwide Human Majority Vote Via The Internet taken every 90 days *hysterical laughter* maybe China will apologize for Tiananmen Square if 51% of the world asks it to on, say, March 1, 2012 ....ah but later China retracts it's apology on June 1, 2012 because the new Worldwide Human Majority Vote dropped to 49% *more hysterical laughter* ... but then apologizing again on Sept 1, 2012 when the vote hit 53%..ah but retracting it again later on December 1, 2012 when the vote dropped to 46% .. *even more hysterical laughter*

You might be thinking, "But...but...but... what about we who do not believe in God, where do we ground our human rights to Life, Liberty, and Property ?

Answer: You ground 'em somewhere up there in 2-8 and you do that by religious FAITH too seeing as how you cannot demonstrate/prove with compelling logic that your choices in 2-8 are any more certain and true than is longterm predictions about weather conditions worldwide.

We Christians and theists place our FAITH in # 1, and you Atheists, agnostics, unbelievers, humanists, and secularists, place your FAITH in one or more of items 2-8 up there because you, for certain, cannot prove with compelling logic that your so-called human" rights" are established by any of your choices found in 2-8 up there, for example Majority Vote, Personal Opinions, Might Makes Right, Government Proclamations about "rights", and your Personal Opinions And Personal Claims About What Is Or Is Not Logical And Reasonable with respect to what you claim are your "rights."

Conclusion: Secularists hold FAITH positions on human "rights" exactly like Christians hold FAITH positions on human "rights."

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[bodecea]

God has been a part of this nation since it's founding dipshit.

And if you know the answer then why ask the question? Oh it's because you're a DIPSHIT!

Still no answer eh Tex? And by "God", which one are you referring to? Know what a Deist is?

Why answer a question that you already know the answer to?

There is but one God.

And yes I l know what a deist is. And they believe in an all-powerful Creator, which Christians refer to as God.

So, in your opinion, screw all Hinduists, Buddhists, Pagans, etc. in our country.