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[The T]

What do you think the word blessings means?
a favor or gift bestowed by God, thereby bringing happiness.

If liberty was a gift from this supernatural being why is it up to "We the people" to secure it?

You're clueless aren't you??

You do realize the founding fathers/framers believed in innate rights granted by God himself.

You may as well ask why Armageddon hasn't occurred.

Because WE exist and are one of the last bastions of Good over evil that strives to the ends that the Founders set forth...Progressives as of late (OBAMA), have put that in jepoardy.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Thier ranks would include Mao, Stalin, Marx, Pol Pot, Hitler, Moussilini...and a host of others.

Pretty much, all the aforementioned viewed themselves as "revolutionaries" or "progressives in their day. They were all sadistic atheists to boot.

And ALL have spread death and misery equally.

The worst was Pol Pot. That guy was just plain brutal. He murdered 1/4th the population of Cambodia, not to mention most of his mercenaries carrying out the genocide were children.

You ever see the movie The Killing Fields???

 

[peach174]

The United States has always been a Theocracy, but not by any one group or type of religious group.
Thus the words, out of many we are one. All religions are included.

Theocracy is a form of government in which the official policy is to be governed by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided.
No president thus far has been an atheist. They have all been believers in God.

 

[BlindBoo]

There are NONE because the United States isn't a theocracy and the US was never intended to be a theocracy...

I think you're confused..

This is a free country that was established by Christians and many of our laws are inspired by those who held Christian morals and ethics.

Is this a Christian nation? NO, was it built and sculpted by Christians? YES.

Is this a free country? yeah, you can believe whatever the hell you like but that doesn't change the fact that the United States is still majority Christian and still votes with their Christian values and still legislates with their Christian values..

That doesn't make the United States a Christian nation then or now - but it does make the United States a nation of majority Christians....

If that is too difficult for you to follow then I cant help you.

No I'm not confused. The goverement the Christain founders devised was secular, not Christian, not Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, or Buddist (yes know, not really a religion). Nor does that change the fact that most Americans are still Christians.

How about Christian influence created this nation and the majority of this nation is still Christian.

I think you're under some impression that Christians object to free will, individualism and freedom.

The Christians who founded this nation were against the idea of "force" or forcing an individual to subscribe to a particular ideology...

That is one of the beautiful things about this country (although it is disappearing) I'm not forced to subscribe to any ideology - I have a choice.

During the time of the founding fathers most organized religions were not supportive of individualism or individual freedoms. But the founders were progressives of their time, and the great experiment was started.

 

[The T]

Pretty much, all the aforementioned viewed themselves as "revolutionaries" or "progressives in their day. They were all sadistic atheists to boot.

And ALL have spread death and misery equally.

The worst was Pol Pot. That guy was just plain brutal. He murdered 1/4th the population of Cambodia, not to mention most of his mercenaries carrying out the genocide were children.

You ever see the movie The Killing Fields???

Yep...

 

[Mr.Nick]

The principles that this country was founded upon are irrelevant.

It was established in a time where firearms consisted of muskets, electricity was only found in the form of a lightning bolt, and globalization only applied to our manifest destiny.

This isn't even a question worth entertaining.

It is very relevant when the majority of this nation believes in God and that he has the power to bless or curse this nation.
If we go secular, like the minority wants us to, we will become a cursed nation.
As a minority you have no right to do this to our country.

As seculars you have your freedom to not believe, but not the right to curse our nation.

You say they're relevant, then you blatantly oppose the First Amendment. Of course, you also took the liberty to come up with this argument when I didn't make any mention of the separation of Church and State.

"Separation of church and state" doesn't even exist.....

I don't understand how something from a Thomas Jefferson letter can become such a common misunderstanding to the point of idiots believing those words exist in the First Amendment.

 

[The T]

The United States has always been a Theocracy, but not by any one group or type of religious group.
Thus the words, out of many we are one. All religions are included.

Theocracy is a form of government in which the official policy is to be governed by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided.
No president thus far has been an atheist. They have all been believers in God.

Interesting list of Presidents and thier affiliations:

List of Presidential religious affiliations (by President)

(I'm not going to copy it and paste it...but it is about half-way down in the link).

 

[BlindBoo]

And those principals are what keeps this country quasi-free to this day. Well until the authoritarian progressives decide to burn the Bill of Rights and declare a socialist Orwellian society in the name of "progress."

You may as well say you don't believe in standards.

You may as well say a societies morals and ethics should be enforced in authoritarian fashion...

That is EXACTLY what the founding fathers were against.

You're no different than Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara, Pol Pot etc.... They were all progressive and "modern" in their times too and subscribed to the same idea you do - "gotta be modern, out with the old in with the new."

Progressive ideals are not rooted in authoritarian doctrine. Progressives have added to the Bill of Rights not burned it. Nanny statist from both parties (with help from their corporate globalist pals) are ushering in the Orwellian society.

Where the fuck did progressives add to the Bill of Rights or first ten amendments??

Classical liberals wrote the Bill of Rights - they insisted on the Bill of Rights.

Progressives are no classical liberals - they're anything but - they're authoritarians.

The Bill of rights are the first 10 Amendments to the constitution. Only one of the added amendment that I can think of takes away rights from citizens and true authoritarians passed that one. Progressives have been battling authoritarians for a hundred years or more.

 

[paulitician]

The Spanish were devout Christians as well. People shouldn't overlook their part in the creation of our Nation. They settled here before the French and British did.

 

[The T]

It is very relevant when the majority of this nation believes in God and that he has the power to bless or curse this nation.
If we go secular, like the minority wants us to, we will become a cursed nation.
As a minority you have no right to do this to our country.

As seculars you have your freedom to not believe, but not the right to curse our nation.

You say they're relevant, then you blatantly oppose the First Amendment. Of course, you also took the liberty to come up with this argument when I didn't make any mention of the separation of Church and State.

"Separation of church and state" doesn't even exist.....

I don't understand how something from a Thomas Jefferson letter can become such a common misunderstanding to the point of idiots believing those words exist in the First Amendment.

Indeed the only thing remotely resembling it is the First Amendment...and where a STATE Religion was forbidden as this land was populated BY those escaping Religious Persecution of the ruling class of Europe at the time.

 

[peach174]

The principles that this country was founded upon are irrelevant.

It was established in a time where firearms consisted of muskets, electricity was only found in the form of a lightning bolt, and globalization only applied to our manifest destiny.

This isn't even a question worth entertaining.

It is very relevant when the majority of this nation believes in God and that he has the power to bless or curse this nation.
If we go secular, like the minority wants us to, we will become a cursed nation.
As a minority you have no right to do this to our country.

As seculars you have your freedom to not believe, but not the right to curse our nation.

You say they're relevant, then you blatantly oppose the First Amendment. Of course, you also took the liberty to come up with this argument when I didn't make any mention of the separation of Church and State.

I don't oppose the first amendment I believe in it, and I did not mention separation of Church and state.

 

[EmoBasher]

The United States has always been a Theocracy, but not by any one group or type of religious group.
Thus the words, out of many we are one. All religions are included.

Theocracy is a form of government in which the official policy is to be governed by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided.
No president thus far has been an atheist. They have all been believers in God.

Civics isn't your strong suit. The United States has never been a theocracy. If you want to see a theocracy, Iran would be a better example.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

zonly1 doesn't realize that until 1956 (I think) the national motto was "Out of many, one" (E pluribus unum).

Now go enjoy your sandwich.

In God we trust as been on U.S. currency since 1864

Two things. Coins were minted sporadically with In God We Trust. It was not printed on Federal Notes until after it was adopted as the national motto.

For the founders our national motto was E pluribus unum, "Out of many, one"

Two things
A U.S. coin is still currency
and
before the federal reserve creation any U.S. currency was backed by the federal government. Not like it is not Backed by nothing.

 

[The T]

It is very relevant when the majority of this nation believes in God and that he has the power to bless or curse this nation.
If we go secular, like the minority wants us to, we will become a cursed nation.
As a minority you have no right to do this to our country.

As seculars you have your freedom to not believe, but not the right to curse our nation.

You say they're relevant, then you blatantly oppose the First Amendment. Of course, you also took the liberty to come up with this argument when I didn't make any mention of the separation of Church and State.

I don't oppose the first amendment I believe in it, and I did not mention separation of Church and state.

As you rightly didn't mention...it's irrelevant in the context of the Seculiarists using it to persecute those that posess a belief in powers larger than themselves outside of Government and man.

 

[EmoBasher]

It is very relevant when the majority of this nation believes in God and that he has the power to bless or curse this nation.
If we go secular, like the minority wants us to, we will become a cursed nation.
As a minority you have no right to do this to our country.

As seculars you have your freedom to not believe, but not the right to curse our nation.

You say they're relevant, then you blatantly oppose the First Amendment. Of course, you also took the liberty to come up with this argument when I didn't make any mention of the separation of Church and State.

I don't oppose the first amendment I believe in it, and I did not mention separation of Church and state.

Then you misunderstand it, severely. It states that the governments shall not recognize an establishment of religion, even if it won't prohibit its practice. The concept of a deity will not factor into the laws of the land here.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Progressive ideals are not rooted in authoritarian doctrine. Progressives have added to the Bill of Rights not burned it. Nanny statist from both parties (with help from their corporate globalist pals) are ushering in the Orwellian society.

Where the fuck did progressives add to the Bill of Rights or first ten amendments??

Classical liberals wrote the Bill of Rights - they insisted on the Bill of Rights.

Progressives are no classical liberals - they're anything but - they're authoritarians.

The Bill of rights are the first 10 Amendments to the constitution. Only one of the added amendment that I can think of takes away rights from citizens and true authoritarians passed that one. Progressives have been battling authoritarians for a hundred years or more.

Are you fucking delusional??

Lets see here - progressives have been trying to limit free speech, ban guns and ban a states right to self legislate..

I would love to know what "progressives" added to the Bill of Rights considering it has never been amended...

The Bill of Rights are the first Ten amendments to the Constitution, and "progressives" had absolutely nothing to do with any of it considering progressives only came about in the mid-60's...

 

[BlindBoo]

What do you think the word blessings means?
a favor or gift bestowed by God, thereby bringing happiness.

If liberty was a gift from this supernatural being why is it up to "We the people" to secure it?

You're clueless aren't you??

You do realize the founding fathers/framers believed in innate rights granted by God himself.

You may as well ask why Armageddon hasn't occurred.

You're a fucking asshole too aren't you?????

They may have beleived that but they damn sure knew God wasn't going to protect those rights because...... "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

Declaration of Independence - Text Transcript

Not from some Supernatural Creature but from the "consent of the governed"

 

[paulitician]

America was founded by the descendants of oppressed Puritan Christians from England. God, the Atheist Christian-hater Wingnuts need to pick up a History Book.

 

[BlindBoo]

Where the fuck did progressives add to the Bill of Rights or first ten amendments??

Classical liberals wrote the Bill of Rights - they insisted on the Bill of Rights.

Progressives are no classical liberals - they're anything but - they're authoritarians.

The Bill of rights are the first 10 Amendments to the constitution. Only one of the added amendment that I can think of takes away rights from citizens and true authoritarians passed that one. Progressives have been battling authoritarians for a hundred years or more.

Are you fucking delusional??

Lets see here - progressives have been trying to limit free speech, ban guns and ban a states right to self legislate..

I would love to know what "progressives" added to the Bill of Rights considering it has never been amended...

The Bill of Rights are the first Ten amendments to the Constitution, and "progressives" had absolutely nothing to do with any of it considering progressives only came about in the mid-60's...

Progressives wrote them and most of the amendments too.

Women Suffrage in the Progressive Era - For Teachers (Library of Congress)

 

[The T]

If liberty was a gift from this supernatural being why is it up to "We the people" to secure it?

You're clueless aren't you??

You do realize the founding fathers/framers believed in innate rights granted by God himself.

You may as well ask why Armageddon hasn't occurred.

You're a fucking asshole too aren't you?????

They may have beleived that but they damn sure knew God wasn't going to protect those rights because...... "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

Declaration of Independence - Text Transcript

Not from some Supernatural Creature but from the "consent of the governed"

ODD You skipped over the FIRST PART before what YOu quoted and the REASON for the writing...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...

Nice try idiot.