Agree or Disagree?

[peach174]

The principles that this country was founded upon are irrelevant.

It was established in a time where firearms consisted of muskets, electricity was only found in the form of a lightning bolt, and globalization only applied to our manifest destiny.

This isn't even a question worth entertaining.

It is very relevant when the majority of this nation believes in God and that he has the power to bless or curse this nation.
If we go secular, like the minority wants us to, we will become a cursed nation.
As a minority you have no right to do this to our country.

As seculars you have your freedom to not believe, but not the right to curse our nation.

 

[The T]

The principles that this country was founded upon are irrelevant.

It was established in a time where firearms consisted of muskets, electricity was only found in the form of a lightning bolt, and globalization only applied to our manifest destiny.

This isn't even a question worth entertaining.

It is very relevant when the majority of this nation believes in God and that he has the power to bless or curse this nation.
If we go secular, like the minority wants us to, we will become a cursed nation.
As a minority you have no right to do this to our country.

As seculars you have your freedom to not believe, but not the right to curse our nation.

Nor the right to change it while skirting the Founding Documents.

 

[BlindBoo]

The principles that this country was founded upon are irrelevant.

It was established in a time where firearms consisted of muskets, electricity was only found in the form of a lightning bolt, and globalization only applied to our manifest destiny.

This isn't even a question worth entertaining.

And those principals are what keeps this country quasi-free to this day. Well until the authoritarian progressives decide to burn the Bill of Rights and declare a socialist Orwellian society in the name of "progress."

You may as well say you don't believe in standards.

You may as well say a societies morals and ethics should be enforced in authoritarian fashion...

That is EXACTLY what the founding fathers were against.

You're no different than Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara, Pol Pot etc.... They were all progressive and "modern" in their times too and subscribed to the same idea you do - "gotta be modern, out with the old in with the new."

Progressive ideals are not rooted in authoritarian doctrine. Progressives have added to the Bill of Rights not burned it. Nanny statist from both parties (with help from their corporate globalist pals) are ushering in the Orwellian society.

 

[peach174]

So? They still practiced bloodletting as a form of medicine too.

Does this mean you still haven't found our Republics' structure in the bible?

I would love to know exactly what your point is?

If the country was founded on Christain principles where are the biblical reference to the governement they formed?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

What do you think the word blessings means?
a favor or gift bestowed by God, thereby bringing happiness.

 

[Mr.Nick]

So? They still practiced bloodletting as a form of medicine too.

Does this mean you still haven't found our Republics' structure in the bible?

I would love to know exactly what your point is?

If the country was founded on Christain principles where are the biblical reference to the governement they formed?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

There are NONE because the United States isn't a theocracy and the US was never intended to be a theocracy...

I think you're confused..

This is a free country that was established by Christians and many of our laws are inspired by those who held Christian morals and ethics.

Is this a Christian nation? NO, was it built and sculpted by Christians? YES.

Is this a free country? yeah, you can believe whatever the hell you like but that doesn't change the fact that the United States is still majority Christian and still votes with their Christian values and still legislates with their Christian values..

That doesn't make the United States a Christian nation then or now - but it does make the United States a nation of majority Christians....

If that is too difficult for you to follow then I cant help you.

 

[The T]

I would love to know exactly what your point is?

If the country was founded on Christain principles where are the biblical reference to the governement they formed?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

There are NONE because the United States isn't a theocracy and the US was never intended to be a theocracy...

I think you're confused..

This is a free country that was established by Christians and many of our laws are inspired by those who held Christian morals and ethics.

Is this a Christian nation? NO, was it built and sculpted by Christians? YES.

Is this a free country? yeah, you can believe whatever the hell you like but that doesn't change the fact that the United States is still majority Christian and still votes with their Christian values and still legislates with their Christian values..

That doesn't make the United States a Christian nation then or now but it does make the United States a nation of majority Christians....

If that is too difficult for you to follow then I cant help you.

IRAN...is a true Theocracy...The United States doesn't resemble one iota and nor in the Founding Documents.

Nick? These people aren't thinking...but reacting on emotion of what they've been spoon-fed all thier lives.

 

[BlindBoo]

The principles that this country was founded upon are irrelevant.

It was established in a time where firearms consisted of muskets, electricity was only found in the form of a lightning bolt, and globalization only applied to our manifest destiny.

This isn't even a question worth entertaining.

It is very relevant when the majority of this nation believes in God and that he has the power to bless or curse this nation.
If we go secular, like the minority wants us to, we will become a cursed nation.
As a minority you have no right to do this to our country.

As seculars you have your freedom to not believe, but not the right to curse our nation.

But your personal beliefs in the supernatural does little to alter the fact that these men, these Christain men, created a secular government.

What does "go secular" mean anyway?

 

[Mr.Nick]

The principles that this country was founded upon are irrelevant.

It was established in a time where firearms consisted of muskets, electricity was only found in the form of a lightning bolt, and globalization only applied to our manifest destiny.

This isn't even a question worth entertaining.

And those principals are what keeps this country quasi-free to this day. Well until the authoritarian progressives decide to burn the Bill of Rights and declare a socialist Orwellian society in the name of "progress."

You may as well say you don't believe in standards.

You may as well say a societies morals and ethics should be enforced in authoritarian fashion...

That is EXACTLY what the founding fathers were against.

You're no different than Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara, Pol Pot etc.... They were all progressive and "modern" in their times too and subscribed to the same idea you do - "gotta be modern, out with the old in with the new."

Progressive ideals are not rooted in authoritarian doctrine. Progressives have added to the Bill of Rights not burned it. Nanny statist from both parties (with help from their corporate globalist pals) are ushering in the Orwellian society.

Where the fuck did progressives add to the Bill of Rights or first ten amendments??

Classical liberals wrote the Bill of Rights - they insisted on the Bill of Rights.

Progressives are no classical liberals - they're anything but - they're authoritarians.

 

[The T]

And those principals are what keeps this country quasi-free to this day. Well until the authoritarian progressives decide to burn the Bill of Rights and declare a socialist Orwellian society in the name of "progress."

You may as well say you don't believe in standards.

You may as well say a societies morals and ethics should be enforced in authoritarian fashion...

That is EXACTLY what the founding fathers were against.

You're no different than Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara, Pol Pot etc.... They were all progressive and "modern" in their times too and subscribed to the same idea you do - "gotta be modern, out with the old in with the new."

Progressive ideals are not rooted in authoritarian doctrine. Progressives have added to the Bill of Rights not burned it. Nanny statist from both parties (with help from their corporate globalist pals) are ushering in the Orwellian society.

Where the fuck did progressives add to the Bill of Rights or first ten amendments??

Classical liberals wrote the Bill of Rights - they insisted on the Bill of Rights.

Progressives are no classical liberals - they're anything but - they're authoritarians.

Thier ranks would include Mao, Stalin, Marx, Pol Pot, Hitler, Moussilini...and a host of others.

 

[BlindBoo]

I would love to know exactly what your point is?

If the country was founded on Christain principles where are the biblical reference to the governement they formed?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

What do you think the word blessings means?
a favor or gift bestowed by God, thereby bringing happiness.

If liberty was a gift from this supernatural being why is it up to "We the people" to secure it?

 

[Mr.Nick]

The principles that this country was founded upon are irrelevant.

It was established in a time where firearms consisted of muskets, electricity was only found in the form of a lightning bolt, and globalization only applied to our manifest destiny.

This isn't even a question worth entertaining.

It is very relevant when the majority of this nation believes in God and that he has the power to bless or curse this nation.
If we go secular, like the minority wants us to, we will become a cursed nation.
As a minority you have no right to do this to our country.

As seculars you have your freedom to not believe, but not the right to curse our nation.

But your personal beliefs in the supernatural does little to alter the fact that these men, these Christain men, created a secular government.

What does "go secular" mean anyway?

They believed in freedom and realized theocracies are not a good thing...

I explained this in detail in a previous post.

Sorry to tell you that one can object to a theocracy and still be devout to religion, especially when a religion has numerous denominations.

For example: I'm a Catholic - not a Lutheran, Protestant or Baptist etc...

How could I practice Catholicism under a Baptist theocracy??

 

[paulitician]

God inspired the creation of this wonderful Country. The Christians who created America were truly blessed with divine brilliance. It's too bad Atheist Christian-haters are trying to destroy it. Very sad.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Progressive ideals are not rooted in authoritarian doctrine. Progressives have added to the Bill of Rights not burned it. Nanny statist from both parties (with help from their corporate globalist pals) are ushering in the Orwellian society.

Where the fuck did progressives add to the Bill of Rights or first ten amendments??

Classical liberals wrote the Bill of Rights - they insisted on the Bill of Rights.

Progressives are no classical liberals - they're anything but - they're authoritarians.

Thier ranks would include Mao, Stalin, Marx, Pol Pot, Hitler, Moussilini...and a host of others.

Pretty much, all the aforementioned viewed themselves as "revolutionaries" or "progressives in their day. They were all sadistic atheists to boot.

 

[peach174]

The principles that this country was founded upon are irrelevant.

It was established in a time where firearms consisted of muskets, electricity was only found in the form of a lightning bolt, and globalization only applied to our manifest destiny.

This isn't even a question worth entertaining.

It is very relevant when the majority of this nation believes in God and that he has the power to bless or curse this nation.
If we go secular, like the minority wants us to, we will become a cursed nation.
As a minority you have no right to do this to our country.

As seculars you have your freedom to not believe, but not the right to curse our nation.

But your personal beliefs in the supernatural does little to alter the fact that these men, these Christan men, created a secular government.

What does "go secular" mean anyway?

No they didn't, they believed that God blesses and rules this nation and that Godly moral men & women should rule our government. They always intended to have God as inspiration in Government. This is why we have Chaplains pray before each business day.
Seculars want to get God out of Government. It was never intended to be that way.
It was always about government not endorsing any one or particular religion, but not absent of God in our Government or how affairs and bills are written or conducted.

 

[BlindBoo]

I would love to know exactly what your point is?

If the country was founded on Christain principles where are the biblical reference to the governement they formed?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

There are NONE because the United States isn't a theocracy and the US was never intended to be a theocracy...

I think you're confused..

This is a free country that was established by Christians and many of our laws are inspired by those who held Christian morals and ethics.

Is this a Christian nation? NO, was it built and sculpted by Christians? YES.

Is this a free country? yeah, you can believe whatever the hell you like but that doesn't change the fact that the United States is still majority Christian and still votes with their Christian values and still legislates with their Christian values..

That doesn't make the United States a Christian nation then or now - but it does make the United States a nation of majority Christians....

If that is too difficult for you to follow then I cant help you.

No I'm not confused. The goverement the Christain founders devised was secular, not Christian, not Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, or Buddist (yes know, not really a religion). Nor does that change the fact that most Americans are still Christians.

 

[Mr.Nick]

If the country was founded on Christain principles where are the biblical reference to the governement they formed?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

What do you think the word blessings means?
a favor or gift bestowed by God, thereby bringing happiness.

If liberty was a gift from this supernatural being why is it up to "We the people" to secure it?

You're clueless aren't you??

You do realize the founding fathers/framers believed in innate rights granted by God himself.

You may as well ask why Armageddon hasn't occurred.

 

[The T]

Where the fuck did progressives add to the Bill of Rights or first ten amendments??

Classical liberals wrote the Bill of Rights - they insisted on the Bill of Rights.

Progressives are no classical liberals - they're anything but - they're authoritarians.

Thier ranks would include Mao, Stalin, Marx, Pol Pot, Hitler, Moussilini...and a host of others.

Pretty much, all the aforementioned viewed themselves as "revolutionaries" or "progressives in their day. They were all sadistic atheists to boot.

And ALL have spread death and misery equally.

 

[Mr.Nick]

If the country was founded on Christain principles where are the biblical reference to the governement they formed?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

There are NONE because the United States isn't a theocracy and the US was never intended to be a theocracy...

I think you're confused..

This is a free country that was established by Christians and many of our laws are inspired by those who held Christian morals and ethics.

Is this a Christian nation? NO, was it built and sculpted by Christians? YES.

Is this a free country? yeah, you can believe whatever the hell you like but that doesn't change the fact that the United States is still majority Christian and still votes with their Christian values and still legislates with their Christian values..

That doesn't make the United States a Christian nation then or now - but it does make the United States a nation of majority Christians....

If that is too difficult for you to follow then I cant help you.

No I'm not confused. The goverement the Christain founders devised was secular, not Christian, not Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, or Buddist (yes know, not really a religion). Nor does that change the fact that most Americans are still Christians.

How about Christian influence created this nation and the majority of this nation is still Christian.

I think you're under some impression that Christians object to free will, individualism and freedom.

The Christians who founded this nation were against the idea of "force" or forcing an individual to subscribe to a particular ideology...

That is one of the beautiful things about this country (although it is disappearing) I'm not forced to subscribe to any ideology - I have a choice.

 

[BlindBoo]

It is very relevant when the majority of this nation believes in God and that he has the power to bless or curse this nation.
If we go secular, like the minority wants us to, we will become a cursed nation.
As a minority you have no right to do this to our country.

As seculars you have your freedom to not believe, but not the right to curse our nation.

But your personal beliefs in the supernatural does little to alter the fact that these men, these Christan men, created a secular government.

What does "go secular" mean anyway?

No they didn't, they believed that God blesses and rules this nation and that Godly moral men & women should rule our government. They always intended to have God as inspiration in Government. This is why we have Chaplains pray before each business day.
Seculars want to get God out of Government. It was never intended to be that way.
It was always about government not endorsing any one or particular religion, but not absent of God in our Government or how affairs and bills are written or conducted.

Yes they clearly did. They seperated their personal beliefs and personal inspirations from the role of government. That's why there is no constitutional requirement to have a Chaplain pray before each session. They did not want the power of insitutionalized religion creeping into the government.

 

[EmoBasher]

The principles that this country was founded upon are irrelevant.

It was established in a time where firearms consisted of muskets, electricity was only found in the form of a lightning bolt, and globalization only applied to our manifest destiny.

This isn't even a question worth entertaining.

It is very relevant when the majority of this nation believes in God and that he has the power to bless or curse this nation.
If we go secular, like the minority wants us to, we will become a cursed nation.
As a minority you have no right to do this to our country.

As seculars you have your freedom to not believe, but not the right to curse our nation.

You say they're relevant, then you blatantly oppose the First Amendment. Of course, you also took the liberty to come up with this argument when I didn't make any mention of the separation of Church and State.