ACA: For the Win!

[Stephanie]

Go team! .... and they say the economy isn't in recovery!

Anthem Makes $47 Billion Offer for Rival Cigna
By JEFFREY CANE and REED ABELSONJUNE 20, 2015


One of the biggest health insurers in the country, Anthem, on Saturday announced an offer to acquire a rival, Cigna, for more than $47 billion in cash and stock.

The move is the latest step toward an expected consolidation among health insurancecompanies. Last month, Humana, another competitor, was said to be exploring a sale of itself.

Driving the push to get bigger has been the Obama administration’s health care overhaul, which has bolstered revenues. Yet, at the same time, profit margins have come under pressure in the face of greater pricing transparency and less generous funding of government plans.

In what ways is the economy recovering? --- FYI --- Corporations buying other corporations is NOT a sign of economic recovery. Would you mind explaining how the economy is recovering? Also, what team are you speaking of?

Please include the following if and when you explain the areas of economic recovery:
(1) Jobs mainly consist of low wage, part-time, and temporary employment
(2) Businesses are offering less company paid benefits
(3) The continuing practice of off-shore out-sourcing jobs
(4) The continuing practice of importing labor
(5) The cost of living ( food, rent, transportation, utilizes, health care, higher education )
(6) Our dependency on cheap foreign imports
(7) Less home ownership
(8) Troubled pension funds
(9) Cities going bankrupt
(10) Our rundown infrastructure ( tax revenue )
(11) 45 million plus receiving food stamps
(12) Millions receiving some form of government assistance
(13) Half of our children living at or below the poverty line
(14) The shrinking Middle Class ( more are falling than rising )
(15) Wealth concentration at the top
(16) College grads living with parents and flipping burgers for spending money
(17) The number of workers age 50 and older unemployed or underemployed
(18) Government debt being the only catalyst keeping us afloat
(19) Major malls becoming ghost buildings
(20) Retail giants closing stores and cutting the number of employees
(21) Less spendable income in the pockets of consumers

I'm looking forward to your explanation. Thanks

that's the liberal math the Democrat party teaches. now any other time they're bitching about BIG CORPS. that is some cultish hero worshipping like the people who followed Jim Jones to their deaths. 900 of them drank the cyanide laced Kool-aid

 

[Arianrhod]

Go team! .... and they say the economy isn't in recovery!

Anthem Makes $47 Billion Offer for Rival Cigna
By JEFFREY CANE and REED ABELSONJUNE 20, 2015


One of the biggest health insurers in the country, Anthem, on Saturday announced an offer to acquire a rival, Cigna, for more than $47 billion in cash and stock.

The move is the latest step toward an expected consolidation among health insurancecompanies. Last month, Humana, another competitor, was said to be exploring a sale of itself.

Driving the push to get bigger has been the Obama administration’s health care overhaul, which has bolstered revenues. Yet, at the same time, profit margins have come under pressure in the face of greater pricing transparency and less generous funding of government plans.

In what ways is the economy recovering? --- FYI --- Corporations buying other corporations is NOT a sign of economic recovery. Would you mind explaining how the economy is recovering? Also, what team are you speaking of?

Please include the following if and when you explain the areas of economic recovery:
(1) Jobs mainly consist of low wage, part-time, and temporary employment
(2) Businesses are offering less company paid benefits
(3) The continuing practice of off-shore out-sourcing jobs
(4) The continuing practice of importing labor
(5) The cost of living ( food, rent, transportation, utilizes, health care, higher education )
(6) Our dependency on cheap foreign imports
(7) Less home ownership
(8) Troubled pension funds
(9) Cities going bankrupt
(10) Our rundown infrastructure ( tax revenue )
(11) 45 million plus receiving food stamps
(12) Millions receiving some form of government assistance
(13) Half of our children living at or below the poverty line
(14) The shrinking Middle Class ( more are falling than rising )
(15) Wealth concentration at the top
(16) College grads living with parents and flipping burgers for spending money
(17) The number of workers age 50 and older unemployed or underemployed
(18) Government debt being the only catalyst keeping us afloat
(19) Major malls becoming ghost buildings
(20) Retail giants closing stores and cutting the number of employees
(21) Less spendable income in the pockets of consumers

I'm looking forward to your explanation. Thanks

that's the liberal math the Democrat party teaches. now any other time they're bitching about BIG CORPS

There is no "Democrat party."

 

[Sonny Clark]

Go team! .... and they say the economy isn't in recovery!

Anthem Makes $47 Billion Offer for Rival Cigna
By JEFFREY CANE and REED ABELSONJUNE 20, 2015


One of the biggest health insurers in the country, Anthem, on Saturday announced an offer to acquire a rival, Cigna, for more than $47 billion in cash and stock.

The move is the latest step toward an expected consolidation among health insurancecompanies. Last month, Humana, another competitor, was said to be exploring a sale of itself.

Driving the push to get bigger has been the Obama administration’s health care overhaul, which has bolstered revenues. Yet, at the same time, profit margins have come under pressure in the face of greater pricing transparency and less generous funding of government plans.

In what ways is the economy recovering? --- FYI --- Corporations buying other corporations is NOT a sign of economic recovery. Would you mind explaining how the economy is recovering? Also, what team are you speaking of?

Please include the following if and when you explain the areas of economic recovery:
(1) Jobs mainly consist of low wage, part-time, and temporary employment
(2) Businesses are offering less company paid benefits
(3) The continuing practice of off-shore out-sourcing jobs
(4) The continuing practice of importing labor
(5) The cost of living ( food, rent, transportation, utilizes, health care, higher education )
(6) Our dependency on cheap foreign imports
(7) Less home ownership
(8) Troubled pension funds
(9) Cities going bankrupt
(10) Our rundown infrastructure ( tax revenue )
(11) 45 million plus receiving food stamps
(12) Millions receiving some form of government assistance
(13) Half of our children living at or below the poverty line
(14) The shrinking Middle Class ( more are falling than rising )
(15) Wealth concentration at the top
(16) College grads living with parents and flipping burgers for spending money
(17) The number of workers age 50 and older unemployed or underemployed
(18) Government debt being the only catalyst keeping us afloat
(19) Major malls becoming ghost buildings
(20) Retail giants closing stores and cutting the number of employees
(21) Less spendable income in the pockets of consumers

I'm looking forward to your explanation. Thanks

that's the liberal math the Democrat party teaches. now any other time they're bitching about BIG CORPS. that is some cultish hero worshipping like the people who followed Jim Jones to their deaths. 900 of them drank the cyanide laced Kool-aid

Just plain and simple common sense, nothing more. In addition, no one that I know of teaches it. Also, I'm not a Democrat, nor a Liberal.

 

[dblack]

You don't think it's a good idea to use tax incentives to encourage good behavior?

Education is more effective. But you could combine the two. Show proof that you've completed a course in healthy eating habits, for instance, and take a deduction for it.

Exactly. Or deductions for people who lose weight, or bring their cholesterol down. On the flip side, we could tax dangerous activities. People who ride motorcycles or abuse drugs or alcohol could be taxed for the extra risk they impose on the health care system.

Smokers are already penalized by higher premiums, but if you start imposing taxes for all those other things you'll have people screaming about the Nanny State. Not to mention lying and/or flying under the radar.

Fuck those whiners. We could just require that they have insurance for all their bad habits. Or pay the additional taxes. It's their choice.

See, I knew you were going for something like this.

Do you think anything is wrong with these proposals?

 

[KissMy]

Reagan Signed EMTALA forcing Insured people to pay for uninsured people & Hospitals to treat all uninsured. This jacked up the cost on the payers & insured to pay for them & more people couldn't pay & became uninsured. Expensive doctors had to spend most of their time redistributing cost. This created the healthcare disaster.

Reagan & Republicans cut funding for Doctors Medical School & Internships. This created Doctor Shortages & Skyrocketing Medical Cost. Obamacare reversed the declining Doctor Graduation Rates so we are now increasing the amount of Doctors in the USA once again!

Reaganomics caused a huge rise in healthcare cost!

 

[Stephanie]

Go team! .... and they say the economy isn't in recovery!

Anthem Makes $47 Billion Offer for Rival Cigna
By JEFFREY CANE and REED ABELSONJUNE 20, 2015


One of the biggest health insurers in the country, Anthem, on Saturday announced an offer to acquire a rival, Cigna, for more than $47 billion in cash and stock.

The move is the latest step toward an expected consolidation among health insurancecompanies. Last month, Humana, another competitor, was said to be exploring a sale of itself.

Driving the push to get bigger has been the Obama administration’s health care overhaul, which has bolstered revenues. Yet, at the same time, profit margins have come under pressure in the face of greater pricing transparency and less generous funding of government plans.

In what ways is the economy recovering? --- FYI --- Corporations buying other corporations is NOT a sign of economic recovery. Would you mind explaining how the economy is recovering? Also, what team are you speaking of?

Please include the following if and when you explain the areas of economic recovery:
(1) Jobs mainly consist of low wage, part-time, and temporary employment
(2) Businesses are offering less company paid benefits
(3) The continuing practice of off-shore out-sourcing jobs
(4) The continuing practice of importing labor
(5) The cost of living ( food, rent, transportation, utilizes, health care, higher education )
(6) Our dependency on cheap foreign imports
(7) Less home ownership
(8) Troubled pension funds
(9) Cities going bankrupt
(10) Our rundown infrastructure ( tax revenue )
(11) 45 million plus receiving food stamps
(12) Millions receiving some form of government assistance
(13) Half of our children living at or below the poverty line
(14) The shrinking Middle Class ( more are falling than rising )
(15) Wealth concentration at the top
(16) College grads living with parents and flipping burgers for spending money
(17) The number of workers age 50 and older unemployed or underemployed
(18) Government debt being the only catalyst keeping us afloat
(19) Major malls becoming ghost buildings
(20) Retail giants closing stores and cutting the number of employees
(21) Less spendable income in the pockets of consumers

I'm looking forward to your explanation. Thanks

that's the liberal math the Democrat party teaches. now any other time they're bitching about BIG CORPS. that is some cultish hero worshipping like the people who followed Jim Jones to their deaths. 900 of them drank the cyanide laced Kool-aid

Just plain and simple common sense, nothing more. In addition, no one that I know of teaches it. Also, I'm not a Democrat, nor a Liberal.

I think you mistook my post dear. I was referring to the op

 

[Arianrhod]

Reagan Signed EMTALA forcing Insured people to pay for uninsured people & Hospitals to treat all uninsured. This jacked up the cost on the payers & insured to pay for them & more people couldn't pay & became uninsured. Expensive doctors had to spend most of their time redistributing cost. This created the healthcare disaster.

Reagan & Republicans cut funding for Doctors Medical School & Internships. This created Doctor Shortages & Skyrocketing Medical Cost. Obamacare reversed the declining Doctor Graduation Rates so we are now increasing the amount of Doctors in the USA once again!

Reaganomics caused a huge rise in healthcare cost!

Useful information which they'll ignore or claim is a lie, but thank you!

 

[dblack]

The main thing is to go after all those "freeloaders" who refuse to buy their fair share of insurance.

 

[Arianrhod]

The main thing is to go after all those "freeloaders" who refuse to buy their fair share of insurance.

You still don't understand how it works.

 

[dblack]

The main thing is to go after all those "freeloaders" who refuse to buy their fair share of insurance.

You still don't understand how it works.

How does it work?

 

[Arianrhod]

The main thing is to go after all those "freeloaders" who refuse to buy their fair share of insurance.

You still don't understand how it works.

How does it work?

See?

 

[dblack]

The main thing is to go after all those "freeloaders" who refuse to buy their fair share of insurance.

You still don't understand how it works.

How does it work?

See?

See what? What am I missing? I thought the point of the mandate was to address the free rider problem. What am I missing?

 

[Arianrhod]

The main thing is to go after all those "freeloaders" who refuse to buy their fair share of insurance.

You still don't understand how it works.

How does it work?

See?

See what? What am I missing? I thought the point of the mandate was to address the free rider problem. What am I missing?

Do you have evidence that those who've chosen the mandate are not paying it?

 

[Stephanie]

here the LATEST wonderful news for this YEAR and next year the FINE goes up even more. now who is this hurting the most? OUR CHILDREN just going out starting their lives.

SNIP:
snip;
With less than three weeks of open enrollment left, Covered California is working to highlight increased penalties for not having health insurance this year.

Since its individual coverage requirement took effect in 2014, Obamacare has doled out increasingly expensive fines to people who do not purchase coverage through health exchanges or obtain insurance from an employer or a government program such as Medicare. This year brings the highest penalty yet, Peter Lee, Covered California’s executive director, said during a news conference Wednesday.


“This is real money going straight to the IRS, where the consumer gets nothing in return,” Lee said.


This year, the penalty is $695 per adult and $347 per child up to a family cap of $2,500 or 2.5 percent of household income, whichever is greater. Last year’s penalty was $325 for adults, with a $975 maximum or 2 percent of household income.


For some consumers, getting an exchange policy is a no-brainer. People in lower income brackets can qualify for significant government subsidies that help pay monthly premiums, and many in those categories also qualify for health plans with lower out-of-pocket costs.

all of it here:
Penalties grow for not getting insurance

 

[Stephanie]

THIS WILL BE NEXT; and some on here will be cheering for it. sick

"You're 2 weeks late on your Commiecare payment! Turn him over!!"

 

[Arianrhod]

THIS WILL BE NEXT; and some on here will be cheering for it. sick

"You're 2 weeks late on your Commiecare payment! Turn him over!!"

Stephanie, do you have health insurance? Why don't you share your experiences instead of repeatedly posting this photo?

 

[dblack]

The main thing is to go after all those "freeloaders" who refuse to buy their fair share of insurance.

You still don't understand how it works.

How does it work?

See?

See what? What am I missing? I thought the point of the mandate was to address the free rider problem. What am I missing?

Do you have evidence that those who've chosen the mandate are not paying it?

I don't know what that question means. Can you rephrase it?

I made the claim that the point of the mandate is to deal the free rider problem, and you claimed that I don't understand how it works. What were you talking about?

 

[Arianrhod]

You still don't understand how it works.

How does it work?

See?

See what? What am I missing? I thought the point of the mandate was to address the free rider problem. What am I missing?

Do you have evidence that those who've chosen the mandate are not paying it?

I don't know what that question means. Can you rephrase it?

I made the claim that the point of the mandate is to deal the free rider problem, and you claimed that I don't understand how it works. What were you talking about?

Either your questions are deliberately disingenuous, or you don't understand the basics of how insurance works. You keep asking the same questions and no answer seems to satisfy you no matter which poster supplies it from which sources.

You're a natural-born strawman. "See, boys and girls? This is why it was so difficult to bring the USA into the 21st century vis-a-vis health insurance, access, cost containment, and improved outcomes just like those in the rest of the civilized world."

You've been very helpful.

 

[dblack]

How does it work?

See?

See what? What am I missing? I thought the point of the mandate was to address the free rider problem. What am I missing?

Do you have evidence that those who've chosen the mandate are not paying it?

I don't know what that question means. Can you rephrase it?

I made the claim that the point of the mandate is to deal the free rider problem, and you claimed that I don't understand how it works. What were you talking about?

Either your questions are deliberately disingenuous, or you don't understand the basics of how insurance works. You keep asking the same questions and no answer seems to satisfy you no matter which poster supplies it from which sources.

So... you got nuthin'. You say I don't know how it works, you don't even really mean it. You just say it reflexively, just as an empty retort. The fact is, I know a good deal more about "how it works" than you do. You've proven that repeatedly in thread after thread of idiotic claims and irrational arguments.

But go ahead, strike a pose! It's amusing, at the very least.

 

[Arianrhod]

See?

See what? What am I missing? I thought the point of the mandate was to address the free rider problem. What am I missing?

Do you have evidence that those who've chosen the mandate are not paying it?

I don't know what that question means. Can you rephrase it?

I made the claim that the point of the mandate is to deal the free rider problem, and you claimed that I don't understand how it works. What were you talking about?

Either your questions are deliberately disingenuous, or you don't understand the basics of how insurance works. You keep asking the same questions and no answer seems to satisfy you no matter which poster supplies it from which sources.

So... you got nuthin'. You say I don't know how it works, you don't even really mean it. You just say it reflexively, just as an empty retort. The fact is, I know a good deal more about "how it works" than you do. You've proven that repeatedly in thread after thread of idiotic claims and irrational arguments.

But go ahead, strike a pose! It's amusing, at the very least.

Keep asking the same questions again and again and again, though. You at least put more thought into them than EddieBCrazy or Stephanie or Kosh.