CDZ OK, I'll Try Again, How Can We Save Obamacare and Make it Actually Work for ALL of Us?

[Flash]

Health care is too important for a family to have the government to be involved.

You would have to be very confused to think that the government would in any way make health care better for you.

 

[kiwiman127]

Health care is too important for a family to have the government to be involved.

You would have to be very confused to think that the government would in any way make health care better for you.

It seems, most people like having Medicare.

 

[Dick Foster]

OK, Trump could take the wind out of a lot of Democrat sails if whe would do two things:
1) Adopt this Personalized Health Care proposal; Personalized Healthcare - Healthcare for You

Putting patients in charge by removing barriers that separate them from their doctors.

• We must remove unnecessary red tape that separates doctors and patients. Under Obamacare’s electronic health record (EHR) regulation, doctors are required to spend about half of their time on paperwork and data entry instead of patient care. Regulations like that have put a literal and figurative screen between doctors and patients.
• Red tape and regulations are driving physicians out of private practice; we need more independent doctors, not fewer. 53 percent of doctors are now payroll physicians employed by hospitals. Those doctors are beholden to the hospital and not their patients.
• The doctor-patient relationship is intimate and personal; no one knows better what kind of treatment a patient needs than that patient’s doctor.

Reform: Eliminate unnecessary government red tape that create hours of unnecessary paperwork and strangle the patient-doctor relationship.

Personal Health Management Accounts to give patients more control over their healthcare dollars.

• Personal Health Management accounts allow patients to purchase insurance plans that are customized to their needs and portable—similar to life and auto insurance—so individuals can take it with them from job to job. This eliminates the fear of losing health insurance when you change jobs or move.
• Employers can opt to contribute directly to these accounts, getting them out of the insurance business which puts healthcare decisions in the hands of their employees, not employers and their third-party administrators.
• This allows employees to use pre-tax dollars to pay for healthcare and gives them the same tax benefits enjoyed by employers.
• Allows patients to only pay for what they need, not a one size fits all government plan like Medicare For All.

Reform: Change current rules around Health Savings Accounts by a) increasing the maximum HSA contribution, b) allowing people to pay for insurance premiums from an HSA account so individuals have the same tax advantage currently enjoyed by corporate employees, c) repeal the requirement that exclusively links HSAs to certain high deductible plans and d) allow people to contribute to an HSA and use it to fund a Medical Cost Sharing plan or a Direct Medical Care arrangement.

Expanding Direct Medical Care to increase choices and lower costs.

• Putting patients back in charge of their healthcare spending through expanded pre-tax accounts will vastly increase direct medical care, which cuts out middlemen to lower costs and gives patients more choice.
• For family care needs, direct medical care is known as direct primary care, which offers families all their primary medical care needs for one low monthly membership fee – no insurance or middlemen necessary. Patients can get access to their regular doctors at any time through call, text, or telemedicine.
• For other procedures – at surgery centers, for instance – direct medical care means transparent cash prices, which will allow patients to price shop, lowering prices.
• Cash prices are often cheaper than what insurers can offer. According to Vanderbilt economist Larry Van Horn, cash healthcare prices are 40 percent lower than insurers’ negotiated rates.
• Whether it’s a monthly membership fee for Direct Primary Care, posted pricing at a surgical center, or fee for service from a specialist, patients will be able to get healthcare at a lower price and have more choice.

Reform: Eliminate rules that restrict the use of direct medical care and encourage patients to take advantage of alternative avenues to receiving health services.

Lowering insurance premiums through increased choice and price transparency.

• In every industry where we have more choice and price transparency, we see lower prices and more innovation; healthcare is not an exception to this economic fact.
• End inefficient federal rules and requirements on private insurance plans and allow states to expand and regulate their private insurance markets to offer more choice and better options.
• Let patients purchase plans that are customized to their needs like they do with auto and life insurance
• Rather than another centralized federal experiment, we should remove federal regulations on this private market and let the state insurance departments and lawmakers tackle problems or concerns. What works best in New York may not work for Kansas. You should not be required to pay for features that you don’t want.
• End federal restrictions on modern healthcare advances like telemedicine, which allows patients to access their physicians via text, email and SKYPE, decreasing time spent waiting in doctors’ offices to be seen for minor issues.

Reform: End rules that regulate what should be included in a healthcare plan, how you can access it and when you can keep it.

Lowering drug prices.

• Return savings back to the patients instead of medicine middlemen; right now $250 billion per year goes to middlemen.
• Nearly all the recent increases in drug list prices can be chalked up to rising rebates.

Reform: Repeal the legislation that exempts these middlemen from penalty for violating the federal anti-kickback law.

Protecting against pre-existing conditions.

• Patients will be covered even if they have a pre-existing condition.
• Allow employees to use Personal Health Management Accounts to buy their own health insurance which prevents any lapse in coverage when changing jobs. This change helps address some of the problems of pre-existing conditions.

Reform: Give states the autonomy to guarantee a health insurance policy that cannot raise people’s rates or drop them from coverage due to health conditions. Many states have these laws in place, but they are moot under the ACA. Others can amend their laws to include it, or they can set up risk pools.​

And ...
2) Reform MedicAID into a government run health insurance system that is pro-rated for income level and the premium based on national averages - 20%.

I think if you do that, most moderates thinking about a Democrat will jump over to Trump because we get national health care coverage for everyone, and keep our private insurance too.

Obamacare will never work. The combination of healthcare insurance and government involvement is what ruined healthcare in this nation in the first place. Just name one thing that government does well. You might want to ponder that before recommending government involvement in anything.

 

[Markle]

Health care is too important for a family to have the government to be involved.

You would have to be very confused to think that the government would in any way make health care better for you.

It seems, most people like having Medicare.

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Medicare is free money plunging us deeper and deeper into debt. If you on Medicare, as I am, of course you love it!

 

[Flash]

Health care is too important for a family to have the government to be involved.

You would have to be very confused to think that the government would in any way make health care better for you.

It seems, most people like having Medicare.

View attachment 289164

There is nothing that the government can force us to buy that the private market couldn't provide cheaper and better.

I trust a profit motivated company to provide me with affordable good quality health care a lot more than a stupid lazy bureaucrat, whose boss is a corrupt politician. elected by special interest groups.

For instance, I am a veteran entitled to VA health care. A few years ago I contracted a cancer. I could have gone to the VA and they would have taken care of it for free. Instead I paid the money to have it done outside of the government. I got fast great quality treatment.

Three different facilities were vying for my business and each one was great.

If I had waited for the filthy government to do it I would probably be dead now.

 

[dblack]

Health care is too important for a family to have the government to be involved.

You would have to be very confused to think that the government would in any way make health care better for you.

It seems, most people like having Medicare.

People like free shit? Srsly?!?!

 

[Flash]

Health care is too important for a family to have the government to be involved.

You would have to be very confused to think that the government would in any way make health care better for you.

It seems, most people like having Medicare.

People like free shit? Srsly?!?!

These people are delusional if they think anything the government hands out is "free".

 

[westwall]

OK, Trump could take the wind out of a lot of Democrat sails if whe would do two things:
1) Adopt this Personalized Health Care proposal; Personalized Healthcare - Healthcare for You

Putting patients in charge by removing barriers that separate them from their doctors.

• We must remove unnecessary red tape that separates doctors and patients. Under Obamacare’s electronic health record (EHR) regulation, doctors are required to spend about half of their time on paperwork and data entry instead of patient care. Regulations like that have put a literal and figurative screen between doctors and patients.
• Red tape and regulations are driving physicians out of private practice; we need more independent doctors, not fewer. 53 percent of doctors are now payroll physicians employed by hospitals. Those doctors are beholden to the hospital and not their patients.
• The doctor-patient relationship is intimate and personal; no one knows better what kind of treatment a patient needs than that patient’s doctor.

Reform: Eliminate unnecessary government red tape that create hours of unnecessary paperwork and strangle the patient-doctor relationship.

Personal Health Management Accounts to give patients more control over their healthcare dollars.

• Personal Health Management accounts allow patients to purchase insurance plans that are customized to their needs and portable—similar to life and auto insurance—so individuals can take it with them from job to job. This eliminates the fear of losing health insurance when you change jobs or move.
• Employers can opt to contribute directly to these accounts, getting them out of the insurance business which puts healthcare decisions in the hands of their employees, not employers and their third-party administrators.
• This allows employees to use pre-tax dollars to pay for healthcare and gives them the same tax benefits enjoyed by employers.
• Allows patients to only pay for what they need, not a one size fits all government plan like Medicare For All.

Reform: Change current rules around Health Savings Accounts by a) increasing the maximum HSA contribution, b) allowing people to pay for insurance premiums from an HSA account so individuals have the same tax advantage currently enjoyed by corporate employees, c) repeal the requirement that exclusively links HSAs to certain high deductible plans and d) allow people to contribute to an HSA and use it to fund a Medical Cost Sharing plan or a Direct Medical Care arrangement.

Expanding Direct Medical Care to increase choices and lower costs.

• Putting patients back in charge of their healthcare spending through expanded pre-tax accounts will vastly increase direct medical care, which cuts out middlemen to lower costs and gives patients more choice.
• For family care needs, direct medical care is known as direct primary care, which offers families all their primary medical care needs for one low monthly membership fee – no insurance or middlemen necessary. Patients can get access to their regular doctors at any time through call, text, or telemedicine.
• For other procedures – at surgery centers, for instance – direct medical care means transparent cash prices, which will allow patients to price shop, lowering prices.
• Cash prices are often cheaper than what insurers can offer. According to Vanderbilt economist Larry Van Horn, cash healthcare prices are 40 percent lower than insurers’ negotiated rates.
• Whether it’s a monthly membership fee for Direct Primary Care, posted pricing at a surgical center, or fee for service from a specialist, patients will be able to get healthcare at a lower price and have more choice.

Reform: Eliminate rules that restrict the use of direct medical care and encourage patients to take advantage of alternative avenues to receiving health services.

Lowering insurance premiums through increased choice and price transparency.

• In every industry where we have more choice and price transparency, we see lower prices and more innovation; healthcare is not an exception to this economic fact.
• End inefficient federal rules and requirements on private insurance plans and allow states to expand and regulate their private insurance markets to offer more choice and better options.
• Let patients purchase plans that are customized to their needs like they do with auto and life insurance
• Rather than another centralized federal experiment, we should remove federal regulations on this private market and let the state insurance departments and lawmakers tackle problems or concerns. What works best in New York may not work for Kansas. You should not be required to pay for features that you don’t want.
• End federal restrictions on modern healthcare advances like telemedicine, which allows patients to access their physicians via text, email and SKYPE, decreasing time spent waiting in doctors’ offices to be seen for minor issues.

Reform: End rules that regulate what should be included in a healthcare plan, how you can access it and when you can keep it.

Lowering drug prices.

• Return savings back to the patients instead of medicine middlemen; right now $250 billion per year goes to middlemen.
• Nearly all the recent increases in drug list prices can be chalked up to rising rebates.

Reform: Repeal the legislation that exempts these middlemen from penalty for violating the federal anti-kickback law.

Protecting against pre-existing conditions.

• Patients will be covered even if they have a pre-existing condition.
• Allow employees to use Personal Health Management Accounts to buy their own health insurance which prevents any lapse in coverage when changing jobs. This change helps address some of the problems of pre-existing conditions.

Reform: Give states the autonomy to guarantee a health insurance policy that cannot raise people’s rates or drop them from coverage due to health conditions. Many states have these laws in place, but they are moot under the ACA. Others can amend their laws to include it, or they can set up risk pools.​

And ...
2) Reform MedicAID into a government run health insurance system that is pro-rated for income level and the premium based on national averages - 20%.

I think if you do that, most moderates thinking about a Democrat will jump over to Trump because we get national health care coverage for everyone, and keep our private insurance too.

It can't be saved. It was written in a manner that it would fail and provide the excuse for Single Payer to be enacted as a "rescue" plan.

Best to scrap it completely and start over.

 

[dblack]

Health care is too important for a family to have the government to be involved.

You would have to be very confused to think that the government would in any way make health care better for you.

It seems, most people like having Medicare.

People like free shit? Srsly?!?!

These people are delusional if they think anything the government hands out is "free".

Yep. They are.

 

[Grumblenuts]

I talked with a guy who immigrated from the UK because his kids were not being treated well in the socialized system there.

To Get Perspective on America's Broken Health Care System, Talk to a British Doctor

Yeah, they had a great solution until they were caught and they had to cease and desist. Or...what can go wrong by turning our healthcare over to the government?

60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told but minister still says controversial end-of-life plan is 'fantastic'

• Pathway involves the sick being sedated and usually denied nutrition and fluids
• Families kept in the dark when doctors withdraw lifesaving treatment
• Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said pathway was a 'fantastic step forward'
• Anti-euthanasia group said: ‘The Pathway is designed to finish people off double quick'

By JASON GROVES FOR THE DAILY MAIL and DANIEL MARTIN FOR THE DAILY MAIL and
22 January 2013 Last updated at 13:43

60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told but minister still says controversial end-of-life plan is 'fantastic' | Daily Mail Online

Daily Fail still failing with a vengeance I see. LOL.. puh.. thetic.

 

[kiwiman127]

Health care is too important for a family to have the government to be involved.

You would have to be very confused to think that the government would in any way make health care better for you.

It seems, most people like having Medicare.

View attachment 289164

There is nothing that the government can force us to buy that the private market couldn't provide cheaper and better.

I trust a profit motivated company to provide me with affordable good quality health care a lot more than a stupid lazy bureaucrat, whose boss is a corrupt politician. elected by special interest groups.

For instance, I am a veteran entitled to VA health care. A few years ago I contracted a cancer. I could have gone to the VA and they would have taken care of it for free. Instead I paid the money to have it done outside of the government. I got fast great quality treatment.

Three different facilities were vying for my business and each one was great.

If I had waited for the filthy government to do it I would probably be dead now.

Did I say the government was going to force anybody to buy a government healthcare plan?
No.
It seems some people are clueless about Public Option.
Also, as I stated, 99% of countries negotiate healthcare costs. Their healthcare costs are a fraction what Americans pay. But people are fine with getting screwed over by America’s healthcare system. All I can say is, fucking WOW. You all must be millionaires!
Economists have been saying for years that the cost of healthcare is a danger to your own country’s economy, you don’t care.
What exactly do Little Trumpsters care about, certainly not yourselves or your country.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Does that sound like the foundation of a smart, efficient health care system to you?
.

Answer, "Fuck no."
Want more?

Grumble, please stop grumbling, and tell us what you mean? I'd like to know more on it....

Enquiring minds want to know.

Americans say "Inquiring minds". Therefore, you sir, ain't no American!

 

[Flash]

Health care is too important for a family to have the government to be involved.

You would have to be very confused to think that the government would in any way make health care better for you.

It seems, most people like having Medicare.

View attachment 289164

There is nothing that the government can force us to buy that the private market couldn't provide cheaper and better.

I trust a profit motivated company to provide me with affordable good quality health care a lot more than a stupid lazy bureaucrat, whose boss is a corrupt politician. elected by special interest groups.

For instance, I am a veteran entitled to VA health care. A few years ago I contracted a cancer. I could have gone to the VA and they would have taken care of it for free. Instead I paid the money to have it done outside of the government. I got fast great quality treatment.

Three different facilities were vying for my business and each one was great.

If I had waited for the filthy government to do it I would probably be dead now.

Did I say the government was going to force anybody to buy a government healthcare plan?
No.
It seems some people are clueless about Public Option.
Also, as I stated, 99% of countries negotiate healthcare costs. Their healthcare costs are a fraction what Americans pay. But people are fine with getting screwed over by America’s healthcare system. All I can say is, fucking WOW. You all must be millionaires!
Economists have been saying for years that the cost of healthcare is a danger to your own country’s economy, you don’t care.
What exactly do Little Trumpsters care about, certainly not yourselves or your country.

I don't want a filthy bureaucrat negotiating anything on my behalf. I am a big boy and negotiate my own or hire an insurance company to negotiate for me.

I don't want the filthy government making any decisions on my health care. Only a dumb person would want that.

I want to be responsible for my health care and I want other people to be responsible for their health care without any interference from a corrupt and inefficient government.

I don't want to pay for somebody else's healthcare and I don't want anybody else to be forced to pay for mine.

I believe in Liberty and individual responsibility. I know other countries don't believe in those things so what other countries do is not of any concern to me.

Without corrupt and misguided government interference the private sector is just as capable of providing quality health care for the lowest possible cost as they are at providing other goods and services. All the stupid government does is keep the free market from providing the services and that is despicable.

 

[Grumblenuts]

I think having both administer different aspects of healthcare is good. Allow the States to continue catering to the specific needs of their inhabitants while the Feds ensure all are covered at some basic level and handle the non-State citizenry.

If you had states run things, you would have 50 laboratories going to see what works well and what does not in actual time, instead of listening to some spin troll insist we all put our eggs in one basket and how much worse things would have been had we not done so.

If we the people ran things, instead of government, we'd have 300 million laboratories.

What is wrong with letting conservatives states have a conservative government and liberal states having a liberal government, or do you like half the country wanting to secede from the union every Presidential election?

Those that wish to limit the power of a federal Congress that can't manage to attain a public opinion poll that is above 20% approval, yet we still call ourselves a democracy, I suggest you begin to support the movement for state rights, which is called the Article V movement.

The Founding Fathers correctly were concerned about a Federal government that would become too powerful and corrupt, which we see today, so that is why they included in the Article V amendment in the Constitution the power of the states to amend the Constitution. It has never been done before, but currently about a dozen have joined and all that is needed is 2/3 of the states to agree.

Once they do, they can implement amendments such as term limits for Congress and a balanced budget amendment of some sort for Congress to have to go by. This is the ONLY way to limit the power and corruption that exists in the US Congress. There is no other legal way to go about it because they won't impose term limits on themselves nor will they restrict their own spending in any way willfully.

About 80% of Americans favor doing this yet the will of the people will continue to be ignored until we rise up.

State level would be a little better than federal, but government shouldn't control access to health care - at any level.

Medicare For All.
Literally "All" have equal access.

 

[sparky]

Did I say the government was going to force anybody to buy a government healthcare plan?

nope, nor is there one mandated...

Also, as I stated, 99% of countries negotiate healthcare costs.

yes they do

Their healthcare costs are a fraction what Americans pay

yes they are

~S~

 

[Markle]

I talked with a guy who immigrated from the UK because his kids were not being treated well in the socialized system there.

To Get Perspective on America's Broken Health Care System, Talk to a British Doctor

Yeah, they had a great solution until they were caught and they had to cease and desist. Or...what can go wrong by turning our healthcare over to the government?

60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told but minister still says controversial end-of-life plan is 'fantastic'

• Pathway involves the sick being sedated and usually denied nutrition and fluids
• Families kept in the dark when doctors withdraw lifesaving treatment
• Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said pathway was a 'fantastic step forward'
• Anti-euthanasia group said: ‘The Pathway is designed to finish people off double quick'

By JASON GROVES FOR THE DAILY MAIL and DANIEL MARTIN FOR THE DAILY MAIL and
22 January 2013 Last updated at 13:43

60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told but minister still says controversial end-of-life plan is 'fantastic' | Daily Mail Online

Daily Fail still failing with a vengeance I see. LOL.. puh.. thetic.

Yes indeed, pathetic. I post FACTS and you, again, post...

NHS: UK NOW HAS ONE OF THE WORST HEALTHCARE SYSTEMS IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD, ACCORDING TO OECD REPORT
Hospitals so underequipped that people are dying needlessly because of a chronic lack of investment

• Paul Gallagher
• Wednesday 4 November 2015 18:30

The UK has one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world according to a damning new report which said the nation has an “outstandingly poor” record of preventing ill health.

Hospitals are now so short-staffed and underequipped that people are also dying needlessly because of a chronic lack of investment. The verdict, from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), will make embarrassing reading for David Cameron who denied the cash-strapped NHS is heading for its worst winter crisis.

Staff are too rushed to improve levels of care that have in many areas fallen below countries such as Turkey, Portugal and Poland. Almost 75,000 more doctors and nurses are needed to match standards in similar countries the OECD said in its annual Health at a Glance study comparing the quality of healthcare across 34 countries.

The UK has 'one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world'

Sadly, this is what Progressives demand for our country.

 

[sparky]

I post FACTS

you post opinions insisting they're facts

~S~

 

[Markle]

Also, as I stated, 99% of countries negotiate healthcare costs. Their healthcare costs are a fraction what Americans pay. But people are fine with getting screwed over by America’s healthcare system. All I can say is, fucking WOW. You all must be millionaires!
Economists have been saying for years that the cost of healthcare is a danger to your own country’s economy, you don’t care.
What exactly do Little Trumpsters care about, certainly not yourselves or your country.

Yes, other countries pay a fraction (a huge fraction) of what Americans pay and they get a fraction of the quality of healthcare.

Why do you believe that is what American citizens want?

In your haste to hit the "POST REPLY" button before you could include your reliable source and working link showing us how Economists have been saying for years that the cost of healthcare is a danger to your own country’s economy, you don’t care.

Who are these "economists"? Paul Krugman?

 

[Markle]

I post FACTS

you post opinions insisting they're facts

~S~

Show us!

 

[Grumblenuts]

I post FACTS

you post opinions insisting they're facts

~S~

Show us!

A Department of Health spokesperson said: “We are making the NHS the safest healthcare system in the world which is why we have invested £10 billion to fund the NHS’s own plan for its future. We know there are areas where the NHS can improve which is why we have prioritised investment in the frontline and there are already more than 21,400 extra clinical staff, including 10,500 additional doctors and more than 7,600 additional nurses on our wards since May 2010.

“The OECD report shows there are many indicators where the NHS continues to be the envy of the world.”

From... your own link. Try reading them before posting.