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OK, here are the questions. (I am interested in problem identification and solution, not speeches.)
A White baby and a Black baby are born at the same time in the same hospital. AT THAT TIME, is it more likely that the White baby is "advantaged" and the Black baby "disadvantaged?"
1. If so, what what advantages and disadvantages are affecting these newborns?
2. If not, when and how do these advantages and disadvantages first appear?
3. Are there specific, demonstrated measures that will remove these disadvantages?
4. If so, what are they?
1. The white baby is likely to grow up with a father in his or her life. Most likely won’t be taught to blame others for failures, and is less likely to break the law or be shot to death by members of his or her own community.
2. Readily apparent.
3. No, they can only be removed by the child or the parents.
4. Also obvious.
And this is why these conversations go bad. How do you explain the white baby that grows up with daddy sneaking into the bedroom every night molesting the child starting at age 3 until it leaves home with mom knowing it's going on and does nothing? The white kid is more likely to break he law and given a light punishment, and will face the possibility of being killed by members in his/her community just as much as he black kid.
That is a ridiculous argument. Black fathers can’t molest their kids? Is that what you are saying? If you want to itemize all the things we can think of that could happen, I can match you on each one and show statistics to back mine up. Care to claim I’m wrong about black kids more likely to get killed by black People? Really?
The only systematic advantage is with the black baby who is privileged when it comes to educational and employment opportunities by virtue of affirmative action.
Any other comparison is strictly according to the circumstances of birth.
An assumptionHe stated there was a racial bias.And you are assuming all white doctors are racist?
That's it.
If both children are born into households with two hetero parents with at least a two-year college education, both holding middle-income jobs, there would be no real difference in the outcome for either child. Going forward, there are so many variables that it would be impossible to determine which child would eventually be more successful.
Actually this is untrue.
Why don't you say WHY it is untrue instead of posting a bumper sticker slogan?
It's been proven that doctors don't treat black women the same, read not as nice as, white women.
For instance, they perceive/imagine, that they have a higher threshold for pain, and lots of other things that tend to lead to more complications, sometimes death.
Perception is reality, so if a doctor perceives things about you, and he/she is the one working on you, you're at their mercy.
That's the problem.
Because everybody here knows this is not so and my experience here shows that no matter what facts you bastards are shown you don't shut up with your racist stereotypes.
There are no advantages or disadvantages at the time of birth. Why ask that question at all?
I'm curious as to what state you believe they are, how we got there, and when were they better.
I believe these answers are germane to this thread.
OK, here are the questions. (I am interested in problem identification and solution, not speeches.)
A White baby and a Black baby are born at the same time in the same hospital. AT THAT TIME, is it more likely that the White baby is "advantaged" and the Black baby "disadvantaged?"
1. If so, what what advantages and disadvantages are affecting these newborns?
2. If not, when and how do these advantages and disadvantages first appear?
3. Are there specific, demonstrated measures that will remove these disadvantages?
4. If so, what are they?
1. The white baby is likely to grow up with a father in his or her life. Most likely won’t be taught to blame others for failures, and is less likely to break the law or be shot to death by members of his or her own community.
2. Readily apparent.
3. No, they can only be removed by the child or the parents.
4. Also obvious.
And this is why these conversations go bad. How do you explain the white baby that grows up with daddy sneaking into the bedroom every night molesting the child starting at age 3 until it leaves home with mom knowing it's going on and does nothing? The white kid is more likely to break he law and given a light punishment, and will face the possibility of being killed by members in his/her community just as much as he black kid.
That is a ridiculous argument. Black fathers can’t molest their kids? Is that what you are saying? If you want to itemize all the things we can think of that could happen, I can match you on each one and show statistics to back mine up. Care to claim I’m wrong about black kids more likely to get killed by black People? Really?
I know the stats son. You cannot back anything up. You show me the black Larry Nassar OK? You want to talk about who black kids will get killed by but you aren't man enough to mention in your comparison how a white kid will be killed by another white person. 86 percent of murders of whites is by another white. That's what the stats show.
There are no advantages or disadvantages at the time of birth. Why ask that question at all?
If there are no advantages or disadvantages at the time of birth, then we need to examine what post-birth factors are causing the white-black achievement gap and how they can be ameliorated (rather than fruitlessly reciting historical grievances).
I can agree to that, but when I addressed that very issue you blasted me for doing it.
I can agree to that, but when I addressed that very issue you blasted me for doing it.
Sorry, I tend to be a loose cannon.
Like your stereotypes about the whites being racist if they disagree with you? Your so called facts are usually cut and paste that you find online, when any white person does the same you call it lies and propagandaIf both children are born into households with two hetero parents with at least a two-year college education, both holding middle-income jobs, there would be no real difference in the outcome for either child. Going forward, there are so many variables that it would be impossible to determine which child would eventually be more successful.
Actually this is untrue.
Why don't you say WHY it is untrue instead of posting a bumper sticker slogan?
Because everybody here knows this is not so and my experience here shows that no matter what facts you bastards are shown you don't shut up with your racist stereotypes.
Thats my standard assumption until they prove otherwise.And you are assuming all white doctors are racist?You are assuming all the medical staff is white?If the children are born into similiar households, money, parents etc the disadvantage still begins prior to birth. The prejudices the medical staff carry can create a disadvantage for the Black child.At birth, the white baby is more likely to be born into a 2 parent household, is more likely to be raised by better educated parents, is less likely to face discrimination because of the color of his/her skin. The white child is more likely to have more positive role models thru the formative years.
Those are just a few differences off the top of my head.
Please reread my post and answer the questions I asked AT THE POINT OF BIRTH. If it helps, you can assume that both babies are born into similar households with similar educations.
But at least you responded. It appears that no one else is willing to discuss this issue. Why is that?
Nope. I am assuming that there are more white people in policy making roles.
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White children are more likely to grow up with an emotionally distant father or a father that molests them. Probably better off without the white father being in the home.OK, here are the questions. (I am interested in problem identification and solution, not speeches.)
A White baby and a Black baby are born at the same time in the same hospital. AT THAT TIME, is it more likely that the White baby is "advantaged" and the Black baby "disadvantaged?"
1. If so, what what advantages and disadvantages are affecting these newborns?
2. If not, when and how do these advantages and disadvantages first appear?
3. Are there specific, demonstrated measures that will remove these disadvantages?
4. If so, what are they?
1. The white baby is likely to grow up with a father in his or her life. Most likely won’t be taught to blame others for failures, and is less likely to break the law or be shot to death by members of his or her own community.
2. Readily apparent.
3. No, they can only be removed by the child or the parents.
4. Also obvious.
Is the entire staff and administration Black? If not then your comment doesnt change things.It's been proven that doctors don't treat black women the same, read not as nice as, white women.
For instance, they perceive/imagine, that they have a higher threshold for pain, and lots of other things that tend to lead to more complications, sometimes death.
Perception is reality, so if a doctor perceives things about you, and he/she is the one working on you, you're at their mercy.
That's the problem.
We have black doctors here ... Where do you live ...
.
White children are more likely to grow up with an emotionally distant father. Probably better off without the white father being in the home.OK, here are the questions. (I am interested in problem identification and solution, not speeches.)
A White baby and a Black baby are born at the same time in the same hospital. AT THAT TIME, is it more likely that the White baby is "advantaged" and the Black baby "disadvantaged?"
1. If so, what what advantages and disadvantages are affecting these newborns?
2. If not, when and how do these advantages and disadvantages first appear?
3. Are there specific, demonstrated measures that will remove these disadvantages?
4. If so, what are they?
1. The white baby is likely to grow up with a father in his or her life. Most likely won’t be taught to blame others for failures, and is less likely to break the law or be shot to death by members of his or her own community.
2. Readily apparent.
3. No, they can only be removed by the child or the parents.
4. Also obvious.
More blacks grow up without a father in the household. You don't know that white fathers are emotionally distant or molest their children.White children are more likely to grow up with an emotionally distant father or a father that molests them. Probably better off without the white father being in the home.OK, here are the questions. (I am interested in problem identification and solution, not speeches.)
A White baby and a Black baby are born at the same time in the same hospital. AT THAT TIME, is it more likely that the White baby is "advantaged" and the Black baby "disadvantaged?"
1. If so, what what advantages and disadvantages are affecting these newborns?
2. If not, when and how do these advantages and disadvantages first appear?
3. Are there specific, demonstrated measures that will remove these disadvantages?
4. If so, what are they?
1. The white baby is likely to grow up with a father in his or her life. Most likely won’t be taught to blame others for failures, and is less likely to break the law or be shot to death by members of his or her own community.
2. Readily apparent.
3. No, they can only be removed by the child or the parents.
4. Also obvious.
Why should the entire administration be black? Are you wanting total separation of the races?Is the entire staff and administration Black? If not then your comment doesnt change things.It's been proven that doctors don't treat black women the same, read not as nice as, white women.
For instance, they perceive/imagine, that they have a higher threshold for pain, and lots of other things that tend to lead to more complications, sometimes death.
Perception is reality, so if a doctor perceives things about you, and he/she is the one working on you, you're at their mercy.
That's the problem.
We have black doctors here ... Where do you live ...
.
Actually I do know this. Pretty much every white person I know has told me their father was emotionally distant or he abused them sexually.White children are more likely to grow up with an emotionally distant father. Probably better off without the white father being in the home.OK, here are the questions. (I am interested in problem identification and solution, not speeches.)
A White baby and a Black baby are born at the same time in the same hospital. AT THAT TIME, is it more likely that the White baby is "advantaged" and the Black baby "disadvantaged?"
1. If so, what what advantages and disadvantages are affecting these newborns?
2. If not, when and how do these advantages and disadvantages first appear?
3. Are there specific, demonstrated measures that will remove these disadvantages?
4. If so, what are they?
1. The white baby is likely to grow up with a father in his or her life. Most likely won’t be taught to blame others for failures, and is less likely to break the law or be shot to death by members of his or her own community.
2. Readily apparent.
3. No, they can only be removed by the child or the parents.
4. Also obvious.
More blacks grow up without a father in the household. You don't know that white fathers are emotionally distant or molest their children.White children are more likely to grow up with an emotionally distant father or a father that molests them. Probably better off without the white father being in the home.OK, here are the questions. (I am interested in problem identification and solution, not speeches.)
A White baby and a Black baby are born at the same time in the same hospital. AT THAT TIME, is it more likely that the White baby is "advantaged" and the Black baby "disadvantaged?"
1. If so, what what advantages and disadvantages are affecting these newborns?
2. If not, when and how do these advantages and disadvantages first appear?
3. Are there specific, demonstrated measures that will remove these disadvantages?
4. If so, what are they?
1. The white baby is likely to grow up with a father in his or her life. Most likely won’t be taught to blame others for failures, and is less likely to break the law or be shot to death by members of his or her own community.
2. Readily apparent.
3. No, they can only be removed by the child or the parents.
4. Also obvious.
Why should the entire administration be white?Why should the entire administration be black? Are you wanting total separation of the races?Is the entire staff and administration Black? If not then your comment doesnt change things.It's been proven that doctors don't treat black women the same, read not as nice as, white women.
For instance, they perceive/imagine, that they have a higher threshold for pain, and lots of other things that tend to lead to more complications, sometimes death.
Perception is reality, so if a doctor perceives things about you, and he/she is the one working on you, you're at their mercy.
That's the problem.
We have black doctors here ... Where do you live ...
.
