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  1. jwoodie
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    OK, here are the questions. (I am interested in problem identification and solution, not speeches.)

    A White baby and a Black baby are born at the same time in the same hospital. AT THAT TIME, is it more likely that the White baby is "advantaged" and the Black baby "disadvantaged?"

    1. If so, what what advantages and disadvantages are affecting these newborns?

    2. If not, when and how do these advantages and disadvantages first appear?

    3. Are there specific, demonstrated measures that will remove these disadvantages?

    4. If so, what are they?
     
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    At birth, the white baby is more likely to be born into a 2 parent household, is more likely to be raised by better educated parents, is less likely to face discrimination because of the color of his/her skin. The white child is more likely to have more positive role models thru the formative years.

    Those are just a few differences off the top of my head.
     
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    Please reread my post and answer the questions I asked AT THE POINT OF BIRTH. If it helps, you can assume that both babies are born into similar households with similar educations.

    But at least you responded. It appears that no one else is willing to discuss this issue. Why is that?
     
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    If both children are born into households with two hetero parents with at least a two-year college education, both holding middle-income jobs, there would be no real difference in the outcome for either child. Going forward, there are so many variables that it would be impossible to determine which child would eventually be more successful.
     
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    The white baby is more likely to be born to a mom who had prenatal care, and who was more likely to be taken more seriously by her doctor.

    The black baby is more likely to be born to a mom who is attended by a doctor with biases against her.
     
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    How so?
     
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    I reject your premises of assuming both babies are born into similar households. The raw data shows that black babies and white beanies are not born into similar households. They just aren’t. Now, if you have an objective of what you want this thread to be which is about the color of someone’s skin and race relations, then your lead in didn’t suggest that, or was that intentional?
     
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    This is playing to the odds. By no means is it universal. But black patients are more likely to get substandard care. Sometimes, it’s due to going to overly-busy clinics with stretched resources. Sometimes, it’s because providers have biases about black people (that they’re uneducated, non-compliant to treatment, or drug-seeking).
     
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    Then there is no reason for you to continue polluting this thread.
     
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    Are you saying that black babies are more likely to be (physically) disadvantaged at birth? (YES/NO)

    1. If yes, what steps should be taken to ameliorate this condition and who should take them?

    2. If no, when do the black baby's disadvantages begin?
     
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