A topic for objective conversation

[jwoodie]

Yep, he had an agenda and didn’t have the balls to state it in the op.

My agenda is problem identification and solution. What's yours?

 

[jwoodie]

That may be part of the reason the thread is failing miserably.

Silence can be as instructive as words.

 

[Asclepias]

OK, here are the questions. (I am interested in problem identification and solution, not speeches.)

A White baby and a Black baby are born at the same time in the same hospital. AT THAT TIME, is it more likely that the White baby is "advantaged" and the Black baby "disadvantaged?"

1. If so, what what advantages and disadvantages are affecting these newborns?

2. If not, when and how do these advantages and disadvantages first appear?

3. Are there specific, demonstrated measures that will remove these disadvantages?

4. If so, what are they?

Even before birth. On average the white childs mother will have access to better medical care.

1. Racism and the economic gap.
3. Yes.
4. More money and access to better medical care.

 

[jwoodie]

4. More money and access to better medical care.

How would this be accomplished?

 

[MizMolly]

At the time of birth, i dont see any disadvantage due to race.

 

[Asclepias]

4. More money and access to better medical care.

How would this be accomplished?

That wasnt part of the OP. Do you have a predetermined direction you are trying to take this?

 

[jwoodie]

4. More money and access to better medical care.

How would this be accomplished?

That wasnt part of the OP. Do you have a predetermined direction you are trying to take this?

3. Are there specific, demonstrated measures that will remove these disadvantages?

4. If so, what are they?

No, I don't have a predetermined direction. I am frustrated by the current state of race relations and would like to steer the conversation towards specific problem identification and concrete solutions.

P.S. Don't we already have programs in place (e.g., WIC) for prenatal care? If these are insufficient, how should they be improved or replaced?

 

[Asclepias]

4. More money and access to better medical care.

How would this be accomplished?

That wasnt part of the OP. Do you have a predetermined direction you are trying to take this?

3. Are there specific, demonstrated measures that will remove these disadvantages?

4. If so, what are they?

No, I don't have a predetermined direction. I am frustrated by the current state of race relations and would like to steer the conversation towards specific problem identification and concrete solutions.

P.S. Don't we already have programs in place (e.g., WIC) for prenatal care? If these are insufficient, how should they be improved or replaced?

WIC is like buying a used beat up Pinto when everyone else has top of the line Bentleys. Its adequate but barely.

It would involve the government making a substantial investment in the healthcare infrastructure and a reorg of programs like WIC. It would involve universal healthcare and raising taxes if the government doesnt want to siphon off money from the defense budget.

 

[jwoodie]

WIC is like buying a used beat up Pinto when everyone else has top of the line Bentleys. Its adequate but barely.

It would involve the government making a substantial investment in the healthcare infrastructure and a reorg of programs like WIC. It would involve universal healthcare and raising taxes if the government doesnt want to siphon off money from the defense budget.

Do you consider these to be specific, demonstrated measures that will remove these disadvantages?

 

[Asclepias]

WIC is like buying a used beat up Pinto when everyone else has top of the line Bentleys. Its adequate but barely.

It would involve the government making a substantial investment in the healthcare infrastructure and a reorg of programs like WIC. It would involve universal healthcare and raising taxes if the government doesnt want to siphon off money from the defense budget.

Do you consider these to be specific, demonstrated measures that will remove these disadvantages?

I wouldnt know for sure. I'm not a health care expert or social worker. Just using common sense.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Your premise assumes that black parents are somehow substandard when compared to white parents.

No, but it assumes that two parents are better than one. Do you disagree?

No. Having both a mother figure and a father figure is best for establishment and function of a nuclear family. It worked for a very long time but in recent years, traditional roles have changed.

 

[Asclepias]

At birth, the white baby is more likely to be born into a 2 parent household, is more likely to be raised by better educated parents, is less likely to face discrimination because of the color of his/her skin. The white child is more likely to have more positive role models thru the formative years.

Those are just a few differences off the top of my head.

Please reread my post and answer the questions I asked AT THE POINT OF BIRTH. If it helps, you can assume that both babies are born into similar households with similar educations.

But at least you responded. It appears that no one else is willing to discuss this issue. Why is that?

If the children are born into similiar households, money, parents etc the disadvantage still begins prior to birth. The prejudices the medical staff carry can create a disadvantage for the Black child.

 

[jwoodie]

If the children are born into similiar households, money, parents etc the disadvantage still begins prior to birth. The prejudices the medical staff carry can create a disadvantage for the Black child.

What, EXACTLY, is the disadvantage of the Black child AT BIRTH?

 

[ricechickie]

If the children are born into similiar households, money, parents etc the disadvantage still begins prior to birth. The prejudices the medical staff carry can create a disadvantage for the Black child.

What, EXACTLY, is the disadvantage of the Black child AT BIRTH?

He just told you. Doctors (just like all Americans) are more likely to have biases against black patients. That can compromise prenatal care.

I also told you this many posts back.

 

[Asclepias]

If the children are born into similiar households, money, parents etc the disadvantage still begins prior to birth. The prejudices the medical staff carry can create a disadvantage for the Black child.

What, EXACTLY, is the disadvantage of the Black child AT BIRTH?

I already told you and so did Ricechickie.

 

[jwoodie]

If the children are born into similiar households, money, parents etc the disadvantage still begins prior to birth. The prejudices the medical staff carry can create a disadvantage for the Black child.

What, EXACTLY, is the disadvantage of the Black child AT BIRTH?

I already told you and so did Ricechickie.

So does this lack of adequate medical care affect the newborn mentally or physically?

 

[Asclepias]

If the children are born into similiar households, money, parents etc the disadvantage still begins prior to birth. The prejudices the medical staff carry can create a disadvantage for the Black child.

What, EXACTLY, is the disadvantage of the Black child AT BIRTH?

I already told you and so did Ricechickie.

So does this lack of adequate medical care affect the newborn mentally or physically?

Explain. There really is no difference. Your mental is actually your physical. There is no separation. It all comes from the brain.

 

[MizMolly]

At birth, the white baby is more likely to be born into a 2 parent household, is more likely to be raised by better educated parents, is less likely to face discrimination because of the color of his/her skin. The white child is more likely to have more positive role models thru the formative years.

Those are just a few differences off the top of my head.

Please reread my post and answer the questions I asked AT THE POINT OF BIRTH. If it helps, you can assume that both babies are born into similar households with similar educations.

But at least you responded. It appears that no one else is willing to discuss this issue. Why is that?

If the children are born into similiar households, money, parents etc the disadvantage still begins prior to birth. The prejudices the medical staff carry can create a disadvantage for the Black child.

You are assuming all the medical staff is white?

 

[Asclepias]

At birth, the white baby is more likely to be born into a 2 parent household, is more likely to be raised by better educated parents, is less likely to face discrimination because of the color of his/her skin. The white child is more likely to have more positive role models thru the formative years.

Those are just a few differences off the top of my head.

Please reread my post and answer the questions I asked AT THE POINT OF BIRTH. If it helps, you can assume that both babies are born into similar households with similar educations.

But at least you responded. It appears that no one else is willing to discuss this issue. Why is that?

If the children are born into similiar households, money, parents etc the disadvantage still begins prior to birth. The prejudices the medical staff carry can create a disadvantage for the Black child.

You are assuming all the medical staff is white?

Nope. I am assuming that there are more white people in policy making roles.

Racist medicine: a history of race and health | OUPblog

 

[MizMolly]

At birth, the white baby is more likely to be born into a 2 parent household, is more likely to be raised by better educated parents, is less likely to face discrimination because of the color of his/her skin. The white child is more likely to have more positive role models thru the formative years.

Those are just a few differences off the top of my head.

Please reread my post and answer the questions I asked AT THE POINT OF BIRTH. If it helps, you can assume that both babies are born into similar households with similar educations.

But at least you responded. It appears that no one else is willing to discuss this issue. Why is that?

If the children are born into similiar households, money, parents etc the disadvantage still begins prior to birth. The prejudices the medical staff carry can create a disadvantage for the Black child.

You are assuming all the medical staff is white?

Nope. I am assuming that there are more white people in policy making roles.

Racist medicine: a history of race and health | OUPblog

And you are assuming all white doctors are racist?