A tipping point in Australia

[gtopa1]

This a good read. It asks the question how long will Australia be livable, or more accurately parts of Australia. Temperatures in Australia reached extremes never reached before. These temperatures may become the new norm and if they do, the question is will there be dead zones on land as there are in the oceans.

How Long Will Australia Be Livable?

There are already "dead zones" but let's face it; most Aussies are city dwellers. That's not going to change. As for the doomsdayers; stuff them. It is a matter of good forest management. I've lived quite happily in hot areas without air-con. We still only have ceiling fans by choice. Not a problem. The twit who wrote that piece is an idiot.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

As one of the the previous videos showed, Aussie farmers can sell their last cows to China before they close down. American firefighters have come. How many Chinese have come?

What are the details of Aboriginal practice? As this video states at the beginning, "Aboriginals were very aware of these fires" but does not go into any further explanation.

The Debate Over Hazard Reduction Burning

'@ 1 David Bowman, the director of the University of Tasmania's Fire Center, says that there's no reason to point a finger at green activists...."You could not do planned burning if you wanted to....that's why those areas have not been treated."
@2:25: National Park services have been cut back in just about every state in the territory.'

Mullens (sp) said about a small fire going through a previously burnt area...SMALL.....says it all. And yes; they do need to ensure that the windows of opportunity are exploited however long they are.

Greg

 

[badger2]

Fire Chief of Victoria speaks @ 7:35:

 

[rightwinger]

Pay no attention

Global warming can not possibly have anything to do with it

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Pay no attention

Global warming can not possibly have anything to do with it

How does CO2 start forest fires?

 

[Kosh]

Didn't Al Gore tell us about tipping point long ago?

But since he invented the internet we have seen he was wrong!

Guess he is mad he invented the internet now!

 

[Sunsettommy]

Pay no attention

Global warming can not possibly have anything to do with it

Yet again, have to point out something most warmists don't even consider looking up:

It is WEATHER that is the temporary driving force, the chart above along with strong evidence of a few decades long CO2 generated greening trend in Australia generates a larger fuel load, Arson, and erratic land management are the main causes of big fires this year, mostly man driven horror.

From MY POST in the Tipping point in Australia thread, I have many more I can post about the fires.

 

[badger2]

One can't say that arson is a cause of increased fuel load. Therefore, arson opportunists are secondary to fuel load. What would Aborigines do with fuel load? duh

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Pay no attention

Global warming can not possibly have anything to do with it

Yet again, have to point out something most warmists don't even consider looking up:

It is WEATHER that is the temporary driving force, the chart above along with strong evidence of a few decades long CO2 generated greening trend in Australia generates a larger fuel load, Arson, and erratic land management are the main causes of big fires this year, mostly man driven horror.

From MY POST in the Tipping point in Australia thread, I have many more I can post about the fires.

So you're saying that back at 280PPM CO2 the Australian rainfall "anomaly" was zero?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

While Australia is no stranger to bushfires, this one has captured the world's attention. Images of burnt-out cars, people fleeing homes, a parched koala desperately drinking from a cyclist's water bottle and angry townspeople screaming at Prime Minister Scott Morrison for more action are making global headlines.

And there's a good reason for the attention.

"In my experience of doing this fire monitoring, in some places you see intense fires over quite large areas maybe for a week or a few weeks, but to see them for four months in one particular place … it is quite surprising," said Mark Parrington, a senior scientist at the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF).

"We only have 17 years of [CO2 emissions] data," said Parrington, who works in the Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service Development Section at ECMWF analyzing wildfire emissions, among other sources. "But in that context then, yeah, absolutely, it's unprecedented."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/australia-bushfires-1.5414325

CO2 causes arson.

Go figure

""We only have 17 years of [CO2 emissions] data," said Parrington, who works in the Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service Development Section at ECMWF analyzing wildfire emissions, among other sources. "But in that context then, yeah, absolutely, it's unprecedented."

We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest."
- Prof. Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Climatology, lead author of many IPCC reports westwall

see how that works?

 

[Sunsettommy]

CrusaderFrank,

you will like this one, from WIKIPEDIA:

Bushfires in Australia

Excerpt:

Bushfires in Australia impact extensive areas and cause property damage and have accounted for the deaths of 800 people in Australia since 1851,[1] and millions of animals.[2]

A small amount of Australia's native flora have evolved to rely on bushfires as a means of reproduction – for example grass trees following fire duress will send up large flower spikes to assist in procreation of the species; however the mother plants usually die off the following season – and fire events were in the past an interwoven part of the ecology of the continent. For thousands of years, Indigenous Australians have used fire to clear grasslands for hunting and to clear tracks through dense vegetation; however this was only in periods of high rainfall and in very small grassland zones bordering desert. The food thus gained provided much needed protein to nomadic tribes.

Major firestorms that result in severe loss of life are often named based on the day on which they occur, such as Ash Wednesday and Black Saturday. Some of the most intense, extensive and deadly bushfires commonly occur during droughts and heat waves, such as the 2009 southeastern Australia heat wave, which precipitated the conditions during the 2009 Black Saturday bushfires in which 180 people died. Other major conflagrations include the 1851 Black Thursday bushfires, the 2006 December bushfires and the ongoing 2019–20 bushfires.[3] The 1974-75 season's bushfires burnt in excess of 95 million ha, by far the largest total recorded for any one season so far.


Which translates to this chart covering the last 100 years,:

Fig. 1. Yearly fire season (June through May) hectares burned by major bushfires in Australia since the 1919-20 season (2019-20 season total is as of January 7, 2020).

As can be seen, by far the largest area burned occurred during 1974-75, at over 100 million hectares (close to 15% of the total area of Australia). Curiously, though, according to Australia Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) data, the 1974-75 bushfires occurred during a year with above-average precipitation and below-average temperature. This is opposite to the narrative that major bushfires are a feature of just excessively hot and dry years.

LINK

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1975 fire season was by far the worst year, in a wet year and cooling year too...., yet warmists ignoramus will ignore it.

 

[badger2]

Post #111's circular logic should be addressed here. Fuel load is intimate to precipitation, because moisture grows vegetation.

Now on Reddit: [OC] Comparison of the Current Fires in Australia. 'The 1974 fire was huge but 91,000,000 hectacres burnt were in NT, WA and SA and only 40 homes were lost. It seems like a massive chunk of the relatively empty and much drier interior of the country burned up in that one. This current fire has burnt along the east coast with a much denser population and not nearly as dry as the interior.'

Bushfires in Australia
Bushfires in Australia - Wikipedia
'....current fires have already released about 350 million tonnes of CO2 -- as much as two-thirds of Australia's average annual CO2 emissions (530 million tonnes in 2017). These bushfire emissions increase Australia's contribution to global greenhouse emissions, exacerbating the problems associated with global warming.'

 

[Blues Man]

Pay no attention

Global warming can not possibly have anything to do with it

But arson does

Australia fires: Two dozen people charged in starting deadly wildfires

24 people charged with deliberately lighting brushfires

 

[Blues Man]

One can't say that arson is a cause of increased fuel load. Therefore, arson opportunists are secondary to fuel load. What would Aborigines do with fuel load? duh

If there were not fires that were intentionally set do you think the fires might not be as widespread?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

CrusaderFrank,

you will like this one, from WIKIPEDIA:

Bushfires in Australia

Excerpt:

Bushfires in Australia impact extensive areas and cause property damage and have accounted for the deaths of 800 people in Australia since 1851,[1] and millions of animals.[2]

A small amount of Australia's native flora have evolved to rely on bushfires as a means of reproduction – for example grass trees following fire duress will send up large flower spikes to assist in procreation of the species; however the mother plants usually die off the following season – and fire events were in the past an interwoven part of the ecology of the continent. For thousands of years, Indigenous Australians have used fire to clear grasslands for hunting and to clear tracks through dense vegetation; however this was only in periods of high rainfall and in very small grassland zones bordering desert. The food thus gained provided much needed protein to nomadic tribes.

Major firestorms that result in severe loss of life are often named based on the day on which they occur, such as Ash Wednesday and Black Saturday. Some of the most intense, extensive and deadly bushfires commonly occur during droughts and heat waves, such as the 2009 southeastern Australia heat wave, which precipitated the conditions during the 2009 Black Saturday bushfires in which 180 people died. Other major conflagrations include the 1851 Black Thursday bushfires, the 2006 December bushfires and the ongoing 2019–20 bushfires.[3] The 1974-75 season's bushfires burnt in excess of 95 million ha, by far the largest total recorded for any one season so far.


Which translates to this chart covering the last 100 years,:

Fig. 1. Yearly fire season (June through May) hectares burned by major bushfires in Australia since the 1919-20 season (2019-20 season total is as of January 7, 2020).

As can be seen, by far the largest area burned occurred during 1974-75, at over 100 million hectares (close to 15% of the total area of Australia). Curiously, though, according to Australia Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) data, the 1974-75 bushfires occurred during a year with above-average precipitation and below-average temperature. This is opposite to the narrative that major bushfires are a feature of just excessively hot and dry years.

LINK

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1975 fire season was by far the worst year, in a wet year and cooling year too...., yet warmists ignoramus will ignore it.

Bushfires? In 1851?? Impossible! Right, Old Rocks

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think is the tipsiest Tipping Point ever!

 

[badger2]

#114: We'd like to see more detail of the arson stats, precisely due to what gtopa1 has said about windows of opportunity.

 

[Polishprince]

Looks like we are seeing a tipping right now;

Tipping point my ass.

Within none too long, the fires will go out and the area will recover.

Back during Obama's "Deepwater" explosion with British Petroleum in the Gulf of Mexico not that many years ago, the prediction was that this was it- environmental apocalypse.

The gulf was fine , less than a year after, I vacay'ed on the gulf at Ft Myers. didn't even notice it.

 

[basquebromance]

i dont want to make people nervous, but what's happening in Australia is the future of our planet if the world doesnt adopt the Green New Deal

 

[basquebromance]

The time is now and Leonardo DiCaprio’s enviornmental organization has recently pledged $3 million towards Australian wildfire relief efforts.