A question for Republicans

[Intense]

That would make the poor paying more and the rich paying less in taxes, than they are paying now.

As for fairness -- do you think it is fair that some hard working suit is making 100 times more than an equally hard working, but a less talented janitor? Some lucky people are just born with more talent than the others -- so why we should reward their luck?

I think there is nothing unfair if a guy making more than a million a year would have their marginal tax rate set at 70%.

Is 13% of 25,000 dollars less than 13% of 2.5 million dollars? With withholding, who's going to notice? Just withhold the fat 13% and let them keep the rest. Sounds very fair to me if you tax income.

Flat tax does not address the issue of inequality. Inequality is only good to the extent it motivates people to work harder. Beyond that it is bad for society as a whole (and for the rich people if they know what's good for them).

Flat tax creates too much of inequality. There are studies that suggest that the optimal top marginal tax rate should be 70%. Optimal means less inequality with little impact on motivation.

You truly believe this Bullshit? You can't be that stupid..... no wait.....

If paying 70% of your income excites you, on top of every other Fine, Fee, Penalty, Surcharge, and hidden surcharge, you might like sticking your tongue in an Electrical Receptacle, or slamming your fingers in a car door, or maybe even chasing headlights on the Freeway??? You Tube it.

 

[Chris]

Is 13% of 25,000 dollars less than 13% of 2.5 million dollars? With withholding, who's going to notice? Just withhold the fat 13% and let them keep the rest. Sounds very fair to me if you tax income.

Flat tax does not address the issue of inequality. Inequality is only good to the extent it motivates people to work harder. Beyond that it is bad for society as a whole (and for the rich people if they know what's good for them).

Flat tax creates too much of inequality. There are studies that suggest that the optimal top marginal tax rate should be 70%. Optimal means less inequality with little impact on motivation.

You truly believe this Bullshit? You can't be that stupid..... no wait.....

If paying 70% of your income excites you, on top of every other Fine, Fee, Penalty, Surcharge, and hidden surcharge, you might like sticking your tongue in an Electrical Receptacle, or slamming your fingers in a car door, or maybe even chasing headlights on the Freeway??? You Tube it.

Do you like paying higher taxes so Romney can pay less?

 

[rdean]

Considering the new immigration laws in Georgia and other states. And the FACT that right wingers couldn't do the job, I suspect they are too fat. If you're out picking walnuts and you eat more than you end up with at the end of the day, no wonder you don't want the job. It's too "hard". Besides, I'm not hungry anymore.

Republicans:

 

[Twin Fist]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

if they dont work, they dont have income. No income means no income taxes

what you want is a tax on wealth. Just admit it.

 

[Chris]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

if they dont work, they dont have income. No income means no income taxes

what you want is a tax on wealth. Just admit it.

Romney doesn't work. He hasn't had a job in years.

And he made $20 million just sitting on his butt.

And paid taxes at a lower rate than you do.

Do you like paying higer taxes so the idle rich can get welfare for the wealthy?

 

[ilia25]

If paying 70% of your income excites you

You are an idiot. 70% top marginal rate means that NOBODY would pay 70% income tax.

 

[ilia25]

Flat tax does not address the issue of inequality. Inequality is only good to the extent it motivates people to work harder. Beyond that it is bad for society as a whole (and for the rich people if they know what's good for them).

Flat tax creates too much of inequality. There are studies that suggest that the optimal top marginal tax rate should be 70%. Optimal means less inequality with little impact on motivation.

You truly believe this Bullshit? You can't be that stupid..... no wait.....

If paying 70% of your income excites you, on top of every other Fine, Fee, Penalty, Surcharge, and hidden surcharge, you might like sticking your tongue in an Electrical Receptacle, or slamming your fingers in a car door, or maybe even chasing headlights on the Freeway??? You Tube it.

Do you like paying higher taxes so Romney can pay less?

Of course he doesn't like it!.. But voting Republican is more important for him.

 

[mskafka]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

You are to be commended, as you've learned to ignore those who cannot seem to post a response in a civil, intellectual manner. It has to be laced with something original like: "idiot, moron, dumbfuck, dumbass, communist, socialist...and so on".

We definitely need to go back to the drawing board with our tax structure.

What about Fair Tax? I thought that was kind of interesting. Flat tax? I think that would just widen the gap between the rich and the poor.

 

[JoeB131]

Do you really think if we put each and every government program to a national vote, that any more than 10% of them would survive? Come on, the people were taken out of this equation a long time ago.

Around 80% of all government spending goes to military, Medicare and social security. I don't think people would want to cut those. And the rest, like NASA, or road repair many would also consider important.

Stories about huge government wasteful spending are greatly exaggerated.

Give me a hatchet and I'll carve up SS and medicare.

There is a lot of waste and fraud in both.

Don't kid yourself.

Why do you exempt the military from that? Probably more fraud going on there than social security.

 

[Mac1958]

One thing I find interesting in this debate is the way the "marginal" part of income tax rates is conveniently ignored. Example:

An individual whose adjusted gross income (AFTER their various deductions) is $400,000 is "in the 35% tax bracket." We can agree on that. I wonder how many people think this person would pay $140,000 in income taxes, or 35%. I'll bet many people would think that, based on the posts I'm seeing.

Well, no. Here's why:

You are exposed to the portion of your income only OVER EACH MARGINAL RATE. So this person is paying 35% of his AGI only over $379,150 for 2011.

This person's tax liability is $117,314, or 29.33%. But virtually no one in the highest tax bracket pays that, after deductions. As a partner in a CPA/Law/Financial Services firm, I can tell you that we have several clients whose gross income was over $600,000 who paid less than 17% in 2011 for 2010.

NO ONE is paying 35% of their adjusted gross income in taxes. NO ONE, because tax exposure is based on MARGINAL rates.

Not that the facts matter...

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[tinydancer]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

feds can't stop it as of yet. it's called a harmonized sales tax up here. 15 percent on everything. I'm one of the few provinces that don't dare do it.

do you like that? makes it equal don't you think? everyone pays the same?

you get to pay 15% across the board. even steven.

Keep screaming and watch what you get.

 

[Warrior102]

I paid $22,000 in federal taxes last year, but you did not answer the question.

That's it??

You consider that a "sacrifice?"

I don't.

Pay more asswipe.

 

[theunbubba]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

Those idle rich already paid taxes on the money their families accumulated (earned). You want to tax it again. And you do, at a rate of capital gains of 15%. This falsehood is amazing in it's scope. You would also tax it a third time, when they die, at an exorbitant rate that is anti family by destroying family farms and businesses. Thus destroying family cohesion. If families cannot accumulate wealth it plays into the hands of the marxist statist oligarchy. Thus the attacks on personal wealth.

Marxism explained.

you still can't get this past me.

 

[Big Fitz]

That would make the poor paying more and the rich paying less in taxes, than they are paying now.

As for fairness -- do you think it is fair that some hard working suit is making 100 times more than an equally hard working, but a less talented janitor? Some lucky people are just born with more talent than the others -- so why we should reward their luck?

I think there is nothing unfair if a guy making more than a million a year would have their marginal tax rate set at 70%.

Is 13% of 25,000 dollars less than 13% of 2.5 million dollars? With withholding, who's going to notice? Just withhold the fat 13% and let them keep the rest. Sounds very fair to me if you tax income.

Flat tax does not address the issue of inequality. Inequality is only good to the extent that it motivates people to work harder. Beyond that it is bad for society as a whole (and for the rich people if they know what's good for them).

Flat tax creates too much of inequality. There are studies that suggest that the optimal top marginal tax rate should be 70%. Optimal means less inequality with little impact on motivation.

Time to do some Fisk Management.

Flat tax does not address the issue of inequality.

Inequality of achievement is not an issue. Inequality of justice is. Inequality under the law is. The rich and achievers should NOT be treated like second class citizens because you or anyone else is a fuckup or unable to achieve so that the rich must take care of them.

You have no right to anyone elses wealth, labor, skill, time unless they choose to give it. To say you do is to engage in slavery.

Inequality is only good to the extent that it motivates people to work harder.

Bold by me

The ONLY true thing you've said, after emphasizing the important words and violating your intent.

Beyond that it is bad for society as a whole (and for the rich people if they know what's good for them).

Bullshit. Abuse of power is bad. The fact that someone uses their power for the betterment of society BY THEIR OWN FREE WILL is not. I don't hear you bitching about Bill Gates spending billions on his foundation to help people.

But also I love your elitist inferiority complex you have going. You act morally superior to the rich by judging them and thinking you know what's best for them, because you are NOT rich which makes you qualified to know better than them. Not that you'd ever want to BE rich, because you are not evil, right? And wealth makes evil, does it not?

Doublethink anymore and you'll have to take out a loan to add a shed to store your extra gibberish and bullshit.

Flat tax creates too much of inequality.

Sez you without reason or cost benefit analysis. Progressive taxes have been shown throughout history to be most unfair. But maybe the problem is you need to define for us what precisely IN YOUR MIND *IS* unfairness. Please do elaborate.

There are studies that suggest that the optimal top marginal tax rate should be 70%.

There are studies that say that it should be 19%.

You realize 67% of all statistics are made up on the spot, and over 72% of them believe it more if a university is mentioned, said a study from the University of Minnesota. rolleyes:

Optimal means less inequality with little impact on motivation.

Ever hear of the Laffer Curve? That is a much more accurate way of looking at what 'optimal' is. It sure as fuck isn't 70%.

Now quit trying to blow smoke up people's asses. You're looking like a fool.

 

[Big Fitz]

Flat tax does not address the issue of inequality. Inequality is only good to the extent it motivates people to work harder. Beyond that it is bad for society as a whole (and for the rich people if they know what's good for them).

Flat tax creates too much of inequality. There are studies that suggest that the optimal top marginal tax rate should be 70%. Optimal means less inequality with little impact on motivation.

You truly believe this Bullshit? You can't be that stupid..... no wait.....

If paying 70% of your income excites you, on top of every other Fine, Fee, Penalty, Surcharge, and hidden surcharge, you might like sticking your tongue in an Electrical Receptacle, or slamming your fingers in a car door, or maybe even chasing headlights on the Freeway??? You Tube it.

Do you like paying higher taxes so Romney can pay less?

The fact that he pays more taxes than 97% of the rest of the nation isn't enough for you, is it?

And yet you still won't pay YOUR fair share.

To say hypocrite is redundant.

 

[Big Fitz]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

if they dont work, they dont have income. No income means no income taxes

what you want is a tax on wealth. Just admit it.

Tax meaning sieze it all and kill or imprison? yep

 

[candycorn]

Should have made it a poll, Chris. The commentary from the wingnuts is non-responsive. I'm sure you saw it coming. The poll would have maybe 4 respondees from the right.

Cowards.

 

[candycorn]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

if they dont work, they dont have income. No income means no income taxes

what you want is a tax on wealth. Just admit it.

They make income off of dividends from stock.

 

[candycorn]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

if they dont work, they dont have income. No income means no income taxes

what you want is a tax on wealth. Just admit it.

Romney doesn't work. He hasn't had a job in years.

And he made $20 million just sitting on his butt.

And paid taxes at a lower rate than you do.

Do you like paying higer taxes so the idle rich can get welfare for the wealthy?

It's not welfare, those are coporate dividends.....lets be honest.

The question is this: Should those dividends--which are made by simply holding the shares of stock--be taxed at a lesser rate than you or I do working 8-12 hours a day?

 

[Katzndogz]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

if they dont work, they dont have income. No income means no income taxes

what you want is a tax on wealth. Just admit it.

Romney doesn't work. He hasn't had a job in years.

And he made $20 million just sitting on his butt.

And paid taxes at a lower rate than you do.

Do you like paying higer taxes so the idle rich can get welfare for the wealthy?

Romney gets welfare? Now that's a stretch.