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Accidental discharge is almost unheard of in concealed carry. So you would base a decision on the remote chance some gun may go off and harm the person carrying it? Hell accidental deaths from firearms are almost unheard of. less than a 1000 a year.
As for some criminal getting the weapon? It is CONCEALED CARRY, no one knows who has what. How exactly does the bad guy get the weapon?
Heat of the moment? Again almost unheard of with concealed carry.
Just admit you are afraid of weapons and don't want anyone to have them. Then admit since you can not stop criminals from having them you have unreasonable fears about law abiding citizens having them.
Almost..., almost..., almost! That's the rub isn't it? It doesn't actually prevent crime, just adds another possible danger point.
According to every study ever done concealed weapons laws DO reduce crime. There has been at least one county by county study and showed a certifiable drop in crime when civilians were allowed to carry concealed. And it wasn't a small drop either.
Would someone EATING have the foresight to remove the firearm, aim, and hit the crazed killer before the killer shot THEM?
Would someone EATING have the foresight to remove the firearm, aim, and hit the crazed killer before the killer shot THEM?
Yes, I would, then finish the taco. No problem. Aim always at the face.
Robert
Almost..., almost..., almost! That's the rub isn't it? It doesn't actually prevent crime, just adds another possible danger point.
According to every study ever done concealed weapons laws DO reduce crime. There has been at least one county by county study and showed a certifiable drop in crime when civilians were allowed to carry concealed. And it wasn't a small drop either.
How about citing the study? I cited a study that shows firearm deaths to be higher in states(red) liable to have less stringent gun laws than in places like NY, NJ and MA. I think, like the oft-heard but never verified meme that crime went up dramatically in Australia after the passage of stringent gun laws, this "study" may just be an anecdote.
According to every study ever done concealed weapons laws DO reduce crime. There has been at least one county by county study and showed a certifiable drop in crime when civilians were allowed to carry concealed. And it wasn't a small drop either.
How about citing the study? I cited a study that shows firearm deaths to be higher in states(red) liable to have less stringent gun laws than in places like NY, NJ and MA. I think, like the oft-heard but never verified meme that crime went up dramatically in Australia after the passage of stringent gun laws, this "study" may just be an anecdote.
Here's the author of one of the best studies. When he began the study he was anti gun. Now he is pro gun. Unlike the AGW scientists however he is intellectually honest.
Guns and Self-Defense by Gary Kleck, Ph.D.
Would someone EATING have the foresight to remove the firearm, aim, and hit the crazed killer before the killer shot THEM?
Yes, I would, then finish the taco. No problem. Aim always at the face.
Robert
Begs the alcohol question. If a restaurant serves alcohol, would you even be allowed to have a gun while eating your taco.
Yes, I would, then finish the taco. No problem. Aim always at the face.
Robert
Begs the alcohol question. If a restaurant serves alcohol, would you even be allowed to have a gun while eating your taco.
Don't know. Good question. I don't drink so wouldn't know that either, since I love my mind just as it is. Love the coffee, hand rolled mexican tobacco cigs, and the hot peppers however, but no drugs or drink.
I'd still aim for the face.
With the spatter gun, aim for the chest. Since it all comes unglued anyway, into a cloud of pink mist.
Robert
Where would you feel safer ?
an open-access area (municipal park, university, shopping mall, store, restaurant, etc.) where the carrying of concealed weapons is strictly prohibited ?
What are the homicide and suicide rates in such areas?
or an open-access area (municipal park, university, shopping mall, store, restaurant, etc.) that permits law-abiding adult citizens to carry concealed weapons ?
What are the homicide and suicide rates in such areas?
you can do your own research to answer your specific question...
but nearly all of the high-profile shooting incidents have been in areas (schools, restaurants, etc.) where guns were prohibited... the only exception I can think of is the Giffords shooting in Arizona...
Accidental discharge is almost unheard of in concealed carry. So you would base a decision on the remote chance some gun may go off and harm the person carrying it? Hell accidental deaths from firearms are almost unheard of. less than a 1000 a year.
As for some criminal getting the weapon? It is CONCEALED CARRY, no one knows who has what. How exactly does the bad guy get the weapon?
Heat of the moment? Again almost unheard of with concealed carry.
Just admit you are afraid of weapons and don't want anyone to have them. Then admit since you can not stop criminals from having them you have unreasonable fears about law abiding citizens having them.
Almost..., almost..., almost! That's the rub isn't it? It doesn't actually prevent crime, just adds another possible danger point.
According to every study ever done concealed weapons laws DO reduce crime. There has been at least one county by county study and showed a certifiable drop in crime when civilians were allowed to carry concealed. And it wasn't a small drop either.
Begs the alcohol question. If a restaurant serves alcohol, would you even be allowed to have a gun while eating your taco.
Don't know. Good question. I don't drink so wouldn't know that either, since I love my mind just as it is. Love the coffee, hand rolled mexican tobacco cigs, and the hot peppers however, but no drugs or drink.
I'd still aim for the face.
With the spatter gun, aim for the chest. Since it all comes unglued anyway, into a cloud of pink mist.
Robert
You're a sick, sick man.
I am opposed to people carrying concealed weapons in most public facilities.
thanks, Peach...
could you expand upon that a bit...?
The risk of those not "law abiding" getting the firearm, accidental discharge, and "heat of the moment" crimes.
thanks, Peach...
could you expand upon that a bit...?
The risk of those not "law abiding" getting the firearm, accidental discharge, and "heat of the moment" crimes.
The risk of a "not law abiding" person getting his hands on my weapon are nil because he will be ventilated long before he is close enough to reach for it. Accidental discharge is essentially impossible. A gun simply does not discharge without human action.
"Careless discharge" is possible, but generally, careless people do not qualify for a concealed carry permit.
Heat of the moment crimes, I suppose are possible, but I've been in bar fights and have not drawn my weapon. I'm just not built that way.. I am fully capable of taking the life of some poor SOB that needs killin', but I am not anxious to do so.
Your "heat of the moment" crimes and careless discharges are much more apt to happen with someone who is carrying illegally.
I would bet that 98% of gun related grimes are committed by people WITHOUT a concealed carry permit.
thanks, Peach...
could you expand upon that a bit...?
The risk of those not "law abiding" getting the firearm, accidental discharge, and "heat of the moment" crimes.
The risk of a "not law abiding" person getting his hands on my weapon are nil because he will be ventilated long before he is close enough to reach for it. Accidental discharge is essentially impossible. A gun simply does not discharge without human action.
"Careless discharge" is possible, but generally, careless people do not qualify for a concealed carry permit.
Heat of the moment crimes, I suppose are possible, but I've been in bar fights and have not drawn my weapon. I'm just not built that way.. I am fully capable of taking the life of some poor SOB that needs killin', but I am not anxious to do so.
Your "heat of the moment" crimes and careless discharges are much more apt to happen with someone who is carrying illegally.
I would bet that 98% of gun related grimes are committed by people WITHOUT a concealed carry permit.
I was thinking along lines of restaurants, taverns, and libraries actually.
here's one...
Luby's massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In response to the massacre, the Texas Legislature in 1995 passed a shall-issue gun law, which requires that all qualifying applicants be issued a Concealed Handgun License (the state's required permit to carry concealed weapons), removing the personal discretion of the issuing authority to deny such licenses. To qualify for a license, one must be free-and-clear of crimes, attend a minimum 10-hour class taught by a state-certified instructor, pass a 50-question test, show proficiency in a 50-round shooting test, and pass two background tests, one shallow and one deep. The license costs $240 to $290, depending on the added instructor's fee.
The law had been campaigned for by Dr. Suzanna Hupp, who was present at the time of the shootout where both of her parents were shot and killed. She later expressed regret for obeying the law by leaving her firearm in her car rather than keeping it on her person due to the fact that it could have cost her her chiropractic license.
Would someone EATING have the foresight to remove the firearm, aim, and hit the crazed killer before the killer shot THEM?
Varies state to state.Would someone EATING have the foresight to remove the firearm, aim, and hit the crazed killer before the killer shot THEM?
Yes, I would, then finish the taco. No problem. Aim always at the face.
Robert
Begs the alcohol question. If a restaurant serves alcohol, would you even be allowed to have a gun while eating your taco.
True, and many businesses have metal detectors in this day & age.
actually, those detectors only screen for shoplifters leaving the store...
Courthouses check both going in & out. A couple restaurants I know of have separate entrances & exits, true.
actually, those detectors only screen for shoplifters leaving the store...
Courthouses check both going in & out. A couple restaurants I know of have separate entrances & exits, true.
Most States ban carrying in Court houses dear.
I asked a QUESTION bayou. I do not doubt this woman wishes SHE had been armed that day. But some public places are not suitable for firearms. With metal detectors to prevent shoplifting, how will grocery, drugstores, and retail shopping outlets handle all the concealed carry customers?
sigh... okay... let's go back to your original question... which was "Would someone EATING have the foresight to remove the firearm, aim, and hit the crazed killer before the killer shot THEM?"
To answer your question, Ms. Hupp was huddled down with her parents as the killer made his way around the restaurant. While she and her parents waited for the killer to make his way to them, she had plenty of time to pull out her pistol and take the killer down, but she had left her pistol in her car because the prevailing laws at the time prevented her from legally bringing it in with her in her purse. As a result, she was unable to prevent the killer from killing her parents.
Regarding your second remark... "But some public places are not suitable for firearms. With metal detectors to prevent shoplifting, how will grocery, drugstores, and retail shopping outlets handle all the concealed carry customers?"...
If bad guys are capable of shooting up restaurants, what makes you think they are incapable of shooting up grocery stores, drugstores, and retail shopping outlets...?
and, btw... hate to bust your safety-zone bubble, but those metal detectors to prevent shoplifting have absolutely nothing to do with detecting people walking in with concealed weapons...
A bit beyond "bad guys"; I am asking questions to get the viewpoints of those that disagree with me, I do change my mind on issues WITH enough information. Now, back to retail shopping, when someone carrying carrying a concealed weapon LEAVES the store, would the buzzer go off?
