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Saying that instinct or intelligence is the source of morality explains nothing; you're merely giving us the means of calculation. If that be the case, morality is relative and not quantifiable in any absolute sense. Do you comprehend that?
But you just asserted an absolute, though it be inherently contradictory and therefore irrational: there are no absolutes except the absolute that there are no absolutes. . . .
Funny, objectively speaking, whether it be ultimately the case or not, no such reductio ad absurdum arises to overthrow the assertion that truth or morality must be grounded in a universal absolute.
Oh? There's nothing in evolutionary theory that holds that species necessarily become more intelligent over time, and greater intelligence does not necessarily make for more ethically enlightened persons.
We continue to discover that some of our umm, more draconian morals, are not moral afterall. We come to that conclusion by using our intelligence and instincts to their current capacities.
We do? How ya figure that?
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A plea to the religious folks: Don't you dare tell us what to do until you fix your priest sex scandals, pope sex scandals, the polygamy fiasco, etc (all under religion.).
Until you address and fix every single one of these problems, FUCK OFF!
Yes they do, it depends on the person. A devout catholic takes thier cues on morality from Catholic doctrine. Where else would they get it from?
Catholics and Morals....at this time, not the best example.
Wonder if thees guys were catholic ?
Jesse Dirkhising | Newsnet 14
Jesse Dirkhising
13 year old Arkansas boy abducted and raped to death by 2 homosexuals
BENTONVILLE Rope bound Jesse Dirkhisings hands to the ends of a baseball bat, and duct tape secured his mouth, which had a pair of underwear shoved inside.
Joshua Macabe Brown propped pillows under the 13-year-olds midsection and sodomized him with several items, Benton County Prosecuting Attorney Bob Balfe said Wednesday during opening statements in Browns capital murder and rape trial.
The Reichman case is not isolated. Four ultra-Orthodox rabbis in Brooklyn have been sued or arrested for abusing boys in the past three years. That's a tiny fraction of the actual abuse, says Hella Winston, author of Unchosen: The Hidden Lives of Hasidic Rebels. She says that in researching her book, she encountered dozens of alleged victims who told her sexual abuse is an open secret in the Hasidic community. But the community is so insulated and the rabbis are so powerful that few dare to come forward.
But you just asserted an absolute, though it be inherently contradictory and therefore irrational: there are no absolutes except the absolute that there are no absolutes. . . .
Funny, objectively speaking, whether it be ultimately the case or not, no such reductio ad absurdum arises to overthrow the assertion that truth or morality must be grounded in a universal absolute.
Oh? There's nothing in evolutionary theory that holds that species necessarily become more intelligent over time, and greater intelligence does not necessarily make for more ethically enlightened persons.
We do? How ya figure that?
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Indeed. So goes the logic of those thinking they can refute the rational necessity of absolute, universal imperatives. This is especially true when someone is trying to assert that his relativist gibberish is self-evident when in fact it's nothing to the kind.
A plea to the religious folks: Don't you dare tell us what to do until you fix your priest sex scandals, pope sex scandals, the polygamy fiasco, etc (all under religion.).
Until you address and fix every single one of these problems, FUCK OFF!
Postal much?
Catholics and Morals....at this time, not the best example.
Wonder if thees guys were catholic ?
Jesse Dirkhising | Newsnet 14
Jesse Dirkhising
13 year old Arkansas boy abducted and raped to death by 2 homosexuals
BENTONVILLE Rope bound Jesse Dirkhisings hands to the ends of a baseball bat, and duct tape secured his mouth, which had a pair of underwear shoved inside.
Joshua Macabe Brown propped pillows under the 13-year-olds midsection and sodomized him with several items, Benton County Prosecuting Attorney Bob Balfe said Wednesday during opening statements in Browns capital murder and rape trial.
Wait a minute....We were led to believe that this story was kept hush hush because the news outlets don't report about crimes committed by homosexuals. How did you find out about it?
There are no absolute universal imperatives. . . .
. . . or else we'd be stuck living in ancient times. There are imperatives that change over time, such as human sacrifice going from acceptable (and actually, considered necessity to satisfy the "Gods," ironically) to repugnant.....
burning people at the stake going from acceptable, to repugnant....
disallowing minorities and women voting right from acceptible, to repugnant
hitting your kids
teachers hitting your kids (mostly was the Religious ones, ironically)
public lynchings
segregation
where were the universal imperatives, then?
Romans 13:1-2 "Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves."
since religion is man made, then logically any idea, including "morals" would be man made...there is no credible proof that "god" made anything or even exists.wtf? So you think if there was no Religion, that Catholics would.. what? All be evil anarchists?
No, there are other sets of morals. Your statment was morals don't come from religion. Some morals do, probably not yours though.
You made a blanket statment that isn't correct.
I disagree. I think it's totally correct. In my opinion, the Religions were written BASED ON man-made, man-invented, morals. I'll let you know when I get proof otherwise.
Wonder if thees guys were catholic ?
Jesse Dirkhising | Newsnet 14
Jesse Dirkhising
13 year old Arkansas boy abducted and raped to death by 2 homosexuals
BENTONVILLE Rope bound Jesse Dirkhisings hands to the ends of a baseball bat, and duct tape secured his mouth, which had a pair of underwear shoved inside.
Joshua Macabe Brown propped pillows under the 13-year-olds midsection and sodomized him with several items, Benton County Prosecuting Attorney Bob Balfe said Wednesday during opening statements in Browns capital murder and rape trial.
Wait a minute....We were led to believe that this story was kept hush hush because the news outlets don't report about crimes committed by homosexuals. How did you find out about it?
Well, A guy I work with is super gay. He has an eye for color, and that's why we work together. Any way, he is from the community ware it happened and he told me about it. I never herd about it until I googled it up and looked.
It ain't atheists taking multiple and child brides.
what is super gay?Wonder if thees guys were catholic ?
Jesse Dirkhising | Newsnet 14
Jesse Dirkhising
13 year old Arkansas boy abducted and raped to death by 2 homosexuals
BENTONVILLE Rope bound Jesse Dirkhisings hands to the ends of a baseball bat, and duct tape secured his mouth, which had a pair of underwear shoved inside.
Joshua Macabe Brown propped pillows under the 13-year-olds midsection and sodomized him with several items, Benton County Prosecuting Attorney Bob Balfe said Wednesday during opening statements in Browns capital murder and rape trial.
Wait a minute....We were led to believe that this story was kept hush hush because the news outlets don't report about crimes committed by homosexuals. How did you find out about it?
Well, A guy I work with is super gay. He has an eye for color, and that's why we work together. Any way, he is from the community ware it happened and he told me about it. I never herd about it until I googled it up and looked.
In short, it is God, not the State, that ultimately dictates the terms of good and evil.
Let us turn back before it's too late
By Rabbi Moshe Averick
08/31/2011
Jewish World Review
One can reasonably predict that as the infatuation with skepticism and atheism grows among the influential "intellectual elite" of our society, so too will their readiness to embrace more radical changes in moral values. Religious believers expressing dismay and horror at the ominous moral storm clouds looming on the horizon are met with smug derision, hysterical counter-accusations, or utter indifference. There is nothing that atheistic societies are incapable of rationalizing and accepting --- including the sexual molestation of children.
No doubt, this assertion will appear preposterous to some atheists, and will spark outrage. Yet the logical and philosophical consequences of atheists' belief systems are inescapable. When asked by journalist William Crawley if he thought that pedophilia was "just wrong." Professor Peter Singer of Princeton University a world-famous philosopher of "ethics" responded as follows:
"I don't have intrinsic moral taboos. My view is not that anything is just wrong You're trying to put words in my mouth. "
Singer went on to explain that he is a "consequentialist." For the benefit of the philosophically challenged let me explain "consequentialism" in a nutshell: If you like the consequences it's ethical, if you don't like the consequences it's unethical. Thus, if you enjoy child pornography and having sex with children it's ethical, if you dislike child pornography and having sex with children it's unethical. In an article entitled "Heavy Petting," Singer likewise gave his stamp of approval to bestiality. As a reward for producing such pearls of wisdom, he has been granted the privilege of teaching our children "ethics" at an Ivy League university. Moreover, he is by no means the only atheistic philosopher industriously engaged in greasing the precarious slope on which Western society totters. Hence, my "plea" to atheists, for the philosophical groundwork for the acceptance of pedophilia has already been put in place by such philosophers.
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The pseudo-intellectualism of the barbaric and depraved on display. . . .
Let us turn back before it's too late
By Rabbi Moshe Averick
08/31/2011
Jewish World Review
One can reasonably predict that as the infatuation with skepticism and atheism grows among the influential "intellectual elite" of our society, so too will their readiness to embrace more radical changes in moral values. Religious believers expressing dismay and horror at the ominous moral storm clouds looming on the horizon are met with smug derision, hysterical counter-accusations, or utter indifference. There is nothing that atheistic societies are incapable of rationalizing and accepting --- including the sexual molestation of children.
No doubt, this assertion will appear preposterous to some atheists, and will spark outrage. Yet the logical and philosophical consequences of atheists' belief systems are inescapable. When asked by journalist William Crawley if he thought that pedophilia was "just wrong." Professor Peter Singer of Princeton University a world-famous philosopher of "ethics" responded as follows:
"I don't have intrinsic moral taboos. My view is not that anything is just wrong You're trying to put words in my mouth. "
Singer went on to explain that he is a "consequentialist." For the benefit of the philosophically challenged let me explain "consequentialism" in a nutshell: If you like the consequences it's ethical, if you don't like the consequences it's unethical. Thus, if you enjoy child pornography and having sex with children it's ethical, if you dislike child pornography and having sex with children it's unethical. In an article entitled "Heavy Petting," Singer likewise gave his stamp of approval to bestiality. As a reward for producing such pearls of wisdom, he has been granted the privilege of teaching our children "ethics" at an Ivy League university. Moreover, he is by no means the only atheistic philosopher industriously engaged in greasing the precarious slope on which Western society totters. Hence, my "plea" to atheists, for the philosophical groundwork for the acceptance of pedophilia has already been put in place by such philosophers.
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The pseudo-intellectualism of the barbaric and depraved on display. . . .
There are no absolute universal imperatives. . . .
Once again, that is an irrational, inherently self-contradictory statement. You're a slow learner, aren't you?
. . . or else we'd be stuck living in ancient times. There are imperatives that change over time, such as human sacrifice going from acceptable (and actually, considered necessity to satisfy the "Gods," ironically) to repugnant.....
burning people at the stake going from acceptable, to repugnant....
disallowing minorities and women voting right from acceptible, to repugnant
hitting your kids
teachers hitting your kids (mostly was the Religious ones, ironically)
public lynchings
segregation
You're babbling cultural relativism, shifting cultural norms or mores. Such things have nothing to do with absolute, universal imperatives. You don't even comprehend the categorical distinction between the two. The latter entails to an established philosophical/theological construct. The whole point to the assertion that ultimate truth and morality are grounded in an absolute, immutable and universal imperative is that shifting cultural norms and mores do not necessarily reflect the same, that the former is the means by which we understand the utility or the validity of the latter!
In any event, not all of your complaints are even valid. Spanking children is necessarily wrong or evil? Segregation is necessarily wrong or evil? The imposition of the loss of life or limb as a punishment for criminality is necessarily wrong or evil? Really?
where were the universal imperatives, then?
Apparently, they're in your head given your insinuation that these things are in fact bad or wrong or evil despite the fact that at one time or another, in one place or another, they were thought to be acceptable. What is the basis for your assertion now? It cannot be mere human intelligence. Intelligent people disagree about what is morally right and wrong all the time. Ultimately, though it flies right over your head, you're merely arguing that at any given time might (or majority opinion) necessarily makes right.
Romans 13:1-2 "Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves."
And the context:
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
In short, it is God, not the State, that ultimately dictates the terms of good and evil. Paul is not telling the followers of Christ that they may give that which belongs to God to the State or even obey the State should it demand evil from them, though they be sheep for the slaughter should they refuse to obey evil directives from the State.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools . . . Romans 1:18-22).
Other than your opinion, what is the authority for your morality, on what basis do you think to assert the shifting ruminations of your limited intelligence?
*Crickets chirping*
Atheism doesn't lead to pedophilia.
Atheism leads sleeping in on Sundays.
