A New Concept in Handling Welfare

[LoneLaugher]

How many?

 

[AmyNation]

Is there anyone here who has ever worked or volunteered for a charity, that thinks charities could do what the goverment does, better than the goverment?

 

[Jackson]

Is there anyone here who has ever worked or volunteered for a charity, that thinks charities could do what the goverment does, better than the goverment?

You have missed the point, Amy. Charities would not be distributing anything. All they would do is add to the fund.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Think by Numbers » Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs

 

[PoliticalChic]

Aid to people in need does not keep them in need.

You people just lie about that

One would think that by now you'd realize that I never lie.

Ever.

But, if you'd like to continue to live withing that fairy tale it should be quite easy for you to attempt to find such in my post.

Fire when ready.

 

[Jackson]

Political Chic vs. Truthmatters: a joy to watch...getting popcorn

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. If the government got out of the business of welfare spending, do you have any idea how much our taxes would go down? Welfare consists of the fourth largest expenditure of our government, at $679.2 Billion annually. How would our taxes go down if that expenditure went away completely? Enormous tax cuts for all!


2. If welfare would be considered a Charity as in American Red Cross, serviced by the states via a privatized company as a ”for profit” entity , it could be done.

3. Religious, organizations, corporations, unions, charities, philanthropists, private individuals would donate through their taxes as tax credits for any amount designated, and it would be sent to that state that the donator lived or established their residence. For businesses overseas, the home office would designate what state should receive the donation. Everyone would make use of the tax advantage because their donation comes right off their tax bill.

4. States would write their own requirements for welfare, most conforming to the “work first, education second and fiscal hand up, third. A two year limit on welfare for able bodied recipients would encourage those to seek employment or further their skills to find employment in the time they have on the welfare rolls..

5. No longer would tax payers be forced to participate on paying for welfare through their taxes. But find an incentive on their own tax bill by finding a credit. And the government who has handled the welfare problem with fraud and waste and political ammunition would be set aside.

6. This would include welfare, ADC, food stamps, and rent subsidizing. Only the infirmed and elderly would be exempt from the requirements and no executive order could overturn the requirements of each state’s mandate.

7. Private enterprise has always proven to be the most effective managers of money. It’s time we get the waste and fraud out of welfare.

Whether through government agencies or private non-profits, the need and expenditures would remain the same – the taxpayer would realize no ‘savings.’ Indeed, as a consequence of the needless complexity and waste inherent in such a proposal, the individual taxpayer would likely end up spending more on public assistance and getting less in the way of services.

Moreover, such a proposal would contribute to an increased likelihood of fraud and abuse on the part of the private non-profits, requiring additional government monitoring and oversight with the usual added expenses, including those associated with criminal investigation and prosecution.

Last, there is an array of Federal and state laws, policies, and case law which govern the appropriate and efficient administering of public assistance programs, including the effectiveness of the programs and accountability. Public monies are public monies, regardless how collected and administered, the above proposal would require the creation of a whole new bureaucracy to meet those accountability requirements.

As with most other conservatives, the OP has succeeded in exhibiting his comprehensive ignorance of the subject of public assistance, motivated only by animus toward those less fortunate and the least able to protect themselves from political attack.

"...the appropriate and efficient administering of public assistance programs,..."

A perfect example of the cultivated blindness of the Left.


The only thing that could possibly rival your post for psychiatric problems would be a copy of the DSM-IV manual.

 

[kaz]

Aid to people in need does not keep them in need.

You people just lie about that

One would think that by now you'd realize that I never lie.

Ever.

But, if you'd like to continue to live withing that fairy tale it should be quite easy for you to attempt to find such in my post.

Fire when ready.

Come on PoliticalChic, we know that liberalism is right, it's only our hatred and greed that keeps us from being liberal. You can't say things that aren't liberal and not be lying about it, it's not possible. Geez...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Think by Numbers » Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs

One need read no further than the first line of your proffered link to see that it is no more than a polemic.

The federal plus state spending on welfare is not $59 billion, it is $1 trillion annually. See earlier post. (#11)

 

[PoliticalChic]

Aid to people in need does not keep them in need.

You people just lie about that

One would think that by now you'd realize that I never lie.

Ever.

But, if you'd like to continue to live withing that fairy tale it should be quite easy for you to attempt to find such in my post.

Fire when ready.

Come on PoliticalChic, we know that liberalism is right, it's only our hatred and greed that keeps us from being liberal. You can't say things that aren't liberal and not be lying about it, it's not possible. Geez...

Their hearts may be in the right place....it's their collective (pun intended) heads in which the problems reside.

 

[kaz]

One would think that by now you'd realize that I never lie.

Ever.

But, if you'd like to continue to live withing that fairy tale it should be quite easy for you to attempt to find such in my post.

Fire when ready.

Come on PoliticalChic, we know that liberalism is right, it's only our hatred and greed that keeps us from being liberal. You can't say things that aren't liberal and not be lying about it, it's not possible. Geez...

Their hearts may be in the right place....it's their collective (pun intended) heads in which the problems reside.

The collectivism is exactly the issue. If they took personal responsibility for their opinions then they would be reachable with logic. It's more important to them to be part of the collective then to be right. They think the ends justifies the means as if the blind obedience to what the collective thinks leads to something desirable. It's pathetic.

 

[eflatminor]

how can it cost less when you add profit to the cost?

And there you have it folks. The idiocy of the socialist mentality. They cannot grasp the concept of competition, of individual choice and how that forces businesses to find efficiencies, to innovate, and to provide the value for money their customer's demand, which drives prices down.

Where government meddles (education and healthcare for example), prices skyrocket in excess of overall inflation. Where the free market tends to reign (computers and electronics for example), the quest for profit drives prices down. Anyone remember what a television used to cost? Another example: Look at elective surgeries that are not under the government's thumb, such as facelifts and lasic eye surgery. There, the quest for profit has caused these areas of the healthcare to boom...as prices continue to fall dramatically while non-elective surgeries, where the government meddles, have seen prices skyrocket.

The simple, simple mind of the Left on full display. Thanks for insight TM...always worth a good laugh.

 

[Care4all]

where are your numbers coming from and what is welfare?

Looks to me like you stuffed the numbers, which is just typical....

FEDERAL welfare DOES NOT COST US in taxes $679 billion a year.

It is in total $451 billion of which near 90 billion is transferred to the Individual States....Do you object to the states themselves deciding on where to spend welfare monies?

YOU are including what the States spend, which is no business of anyone here to decide for ANOTHER state's spending on welfare or what other states spend in their own taxes on it. PERIOD.

So, why'd ya do that jackson? huh? Just to make a 'partisan' point?

AND How much of that welfare money is going towards unemployment...federal it says 110 billion of it... SO NOW you are including unemployment for people who have worked all their lives in to the "welfare" category? sheesh...

Are YOU SAYING you think unemployment insurance should be CUT OFF AND CUT OUT of what you are labeling as welfare???

Are you against the earned income credit or child tax credit? You know, the one that President bush had made more lenient for the poorest working class among us? and do you prefer for these families to not work at all and receive actual TANF welfare just by sitting on their bottoms vs actually working for a living?

Do some thinking of your own Jackson. Can you actually debate the issue on your own?

Or are you just another one of the minions around here that takes marching orders only?

Read your own chart my dear....

 

[Truthmatters]

how can it cost less when you add profit to the cost?

And there you have it folks. The idiocy of the socialist mentality. They cannot grasp the concept of competition, of individual choice and how that forces businesses to find efficiencies, to innovate, and to provide the value for money their customer's demand, which drives prices down.

Where government meddles (education and healthcare for example), prices skyrocket in excess of overall inflation. Where the free market tends to reign (computers and electronics for example), the quest for profit drives prices down. Anyone remember what a television used to cost? Another example: Look at elective surgeries that are not under the government's thumb, such as facelifts and lasic eye surgery. There, the quest for profit has caused these areas of the healthcare to boom...as prices continue to fall dramatically while non-elective surgeries, where the government meddles, have seen prices skyrocket.

The simple, simple mind of the Left on full display. Thanks for insight TM...always worth a good laugh.

Compitition to provide aid?


dear idiot when has private charity EVER been alble to fill the need?

history proves you stupid

 

[Truthmatters]

One would think that by now you'd realize that I never lie.

Ever.

But, if you'd like to continue to live withing that fairy tale it should be quite easy for you to attempt to find such in my post.

Fire when ready.

Come on PoliticalChic, we know that liberalism is right, it's only our hatred and greed that keeps us from being liberal. You can't say things that aren't liberal and not be lying about it, it's not possible. Geez...

Their hearts may be in the right place....it's their collective (pun intended) heads in which the problems reside.

I dont see anything there to PROVE helping people hurts people.

back your lies with some facts

 

[Truthmatters]

Aid to people in need does not keep them in need.

You people just lie about that

One would think that by now you'd realize that I never lie.

Ever.

But, if you'd like to continue to live withing that fairy tale it should be quite easy for you to attempt to find such in my post.

Fire when ready.

why would I believe anything a person like you says.

You think most people are BAD.

that is a direct reflection of who you are inside.

 

[Jackson]

where are your numbers coming from and what is welfare?

Looks to me like you stuffed the numbers, which is just typical....

FEDERAL welfare DOES NOT COST US in taxes $679 billion a year.

It is in total $451 billion of which near 90 billion is transferred to the Individual States....Do you object to the states themselves deciding on where to spend welfare monies?

YOU are including what the States spend, which is no business of anyone here to decide for ANOTHER state's spending on welfare or what other states spend in their own taxes on it. PERIOD.

So, why'd ya do that jackson? huh? Just to make a 'partisan' point?

AND How much of that welfare money is going towards unemployment...federal it says 110 billion of it... SO NOW you are including unemployment for people who have worked all their lives in to the "welfare" category? sheesh...

Are YOU SAYING you think unemployment insurance should be CUT OFF AND CUT OUT of what you are labeling as welfare???

Are you against the earned income credit or child tax credit? You know, the one that President bush had made more lenient for the poorest working class among us? and do you prefer for these families to not work at all and receive actual TANF welfare just by sitting on their bottoms vs actually working for a living?

Do some thinking of your own Jackson. Can you actually debate the issue on your own?

Or are you just another one of the minions around here that takes marching orders only?

Read your own chart my dear....

The link is included in the OP. None of my post was cut and paste. All, obviously were my own thoughts.

 

[Truthmatters]

Go get your documentation that helping people harms them.


I have never seen any to date from you black heart cons

 

[Truthmatters]

would any of you be willing to stand in front of Jesus and tell him helping people is wrong?

 

[eflatminor]

...when has private charity EVER been alble to fill the need?

How about prior to your so called "great society", now dying on the vine.

Keep posting, please. With enemies as dense as you, you're only helping the cause of all that stand against your collectivist/central planning ways. A BIG THANKS to the board simpleton...you're more of an asset to individualism than Biden...