A lasting solution

[FistyTheBadger]

Sorry---if Israel takes American money ---Israel does some listening.

Unfortunately. And that is why there is no lasting peace.

 

[dilloduck]

Unfortunately. And that is why there is no lasting peace.

America is insisting that the war continue ?--are we profitting from it ?

 

[FistyTheBadger]

America is insisting that the war continue ?--are we profitting from it ?

America needs to keep some basic image in the world. We would like to think that we can solve any problem, and letting go of the leash inherently means losing control.

 

[ekrem]

Look at Turkey condemning terrorism in its own country!

Attack at the US Consulate in Turkey leaves 6 dead - The Boston Globe

It's ok for Christians to fight Muslims and Muslims to fight Muslims, but not Jews to fight Muslims???

It can't be that an impasse of 10 million people living in a geography as big as a German province are radicalizing people in millions from other regions, which then produces follow-on problems over-regional. The potential of radicalism in the Islamic world is not solely but in a great share connected to the Israel-Palestine issue. Israel is too unimportant to let this go on further. I hope the new US administration shares this view and puts its weight behind a lasting solution, acceptable to both local sides. There are more important things to deal with mainly in Asia, which will decide how the world will function in 100 years. I think that everyone agrees that if the Israeli-Palestine issue is solved the world will be better. As to the part of Turkey, we are ready for involvement in a lasting solution not only to the Israeli-Palestine issue but also other problems of this region dependent to and independent from Israel.

 

[Annie]

Which is how Israel balks.

Damn them, how dare they want the missiles to stop falling, BEFORE they discuss the checkpoints.

 

[dilloduck]

Damn them, how dare they want the missiles to stop falling, BEFORE they discuss the checkpoints.

Because they are playing with American taxpayer money--that's why.

 

[Annie]

Because they are playing with American taxpayer money--that's why.

So, we should remove border guards at Mexico/Canadian borders because we owe gagillions to China?

Seriously, whatever we 'give', 'loan', 'lease', 'sell' to Israel doesn't negate their duty to protect their citizens, which is what you are arguing.

 

[dilloduck]

So, we should remove border guards at Mexico/Canadian borders because we owe gagillions to China?

Seriously, whatever we 'give', 'loan', 'lease', 'sell' to Israel doesn't negate their duty to protect their citizens, which is what you are arguing.

How many months have they sat there watching rockets fall. If there is something lined up with the Eu and turks or whoever, the US outta push for it. MAybe we would nt be so in debt to China if we weren't buying the whole fucking mideast.

 

[Annie]

How many months have they sat there watching rockets fall. If there is something lined up with the Eu and turks or whoever, the US outta push for it. MAybe we would nt be so in debt to China if we weren't buying the whole fucking mideast.

Perhaps. Have you written your representatives? In any case, Israel is willing to make 'peace' with the minimum of demands, not so Hamas. It's already noted that Sarkozy left out Hamas, both Israel and PA have agreed in general terms.

 

[ekrem]

Perhaps. Have you written your representatives? In any case, Israel is willing to make 'peace' with the minimum of demands, not so Hamas. It's already noted that Sarkozy left out Hamas, both Israel and PA have agreed in general terms.

Fatah has no authority in Gaza. If that's true what you say, then "French"-initiative is doomed to fail. Because Hamas is the actor heveing to be involved in a short-term solution regarding Gaza. French-initiative is also more of a jumping in rather then initiateing something.

 

[Annie]

Fatah has no authority in Gaza. If that's true what you say, then "French"-initiative is doomed to fail. Because Hamas is the actor heveing to be involved in a short-term solution regarding Gaza. French-initiative is also more of a jumping in rather then initiateing something.

Not if this is successful. Here's to hoping!

 

[ekrem]

Not if this is successful. Here's to hoping!

PA is Fatah. Fatah has no weight to influence Hamas.
Fatah is already for a while in peace-mode regarding Israel. So it is no big issue reaching a "cease-fire" deal between Fatah and Israel as they do actually not shoot at each other anyway at this moment. The parties involved are Israel and Hamas. Hamas and Fatah being theirselves in de-facto war at each other.
You want a solution the formula involves Hamas. It is like wanting to direct humanitarian aid to Darfur, but some guy behind a desk directed it humanitarian aid to Eritrea.

 

[dilloduck]

PA is Fatah. Fatah has no weight to influence Hamas.
Fatah is already for a while in peace-mode regarding Israel. So it is no big issue reaching a "cease-fire" deal between Fatah and Israel as they do actually not shoot at each other anyway at this moment. The parties involved are Israel and Hamas. Hamas and Fatah being theirselves in de-facto war at each other.
You want a solution the formula involves Hamas. It is like wanting to direct humanitarian aid to Darfur, but some guy behind a desk directed it humanitarian aid to Eritrea.

Apparently Israel is hoping for the people to turn on Hamas.

 

[Annie]

PA is Fatah. Fatah has no weight to influence Hamas.
Fatah is already for a while in peace-mode regarding Israel. So it is no big issue reaching a "cease-fire" deal between Fatah and Israel as they do actually not shoot at each other anyway at this moment. The parties involved are Israel and Hamas. Hamas and Fatah being theirselves in de-facto war at each other.
You want a solution the formula involves Hamas. It is like wanting to direct humanitarian aid to Darfur, but some guy behind a desk directed it humanitarian aid to Eritrea.

Hamas will never make peace.

 

[FistyTheBadger]

Apparently Israel is hoping for the people to turn on Hamas.

If the people don't turn on Hamas, hopefully there won't be any people left.

 

[dilloduck]

Hamas will never make peace.

So Israel is asking the palestinians to go on a suicide mission---ironic.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Because they are playing with American taxpayer money--that's why.

Only a minority of US taxpayers are unhappy with our support of Israel or with Israel's policies, so that is not a reason.

 

[dilloduck]

Only a minority of US taxpayers are unhappy with our support of Israel or with Israel's policies, so that is not a reason.

It's growing as our economy plunges---I hate to see people bring shit on themselves.

 

[toomuchtime_]

It's growing as our economy plunges---I hate to see people bring shit on themselves.

I don't think so. The aid we give to Israel is in the form of military credits to buy hardware from US companies, and creates US jobs and taxes and that help support the states and regions where those companies are. The major effect of this kind of aid is a wealth transfer from the federal government to the states and localities, which is the essence of the economic stimulus package Obama has promised and which the American people are supporting, so our present economic difficulties, if anything, would indicate that we should continue the aid so that the people who work for these companies don't lose their jobs and the states and localities where they are don't lose the wages, salaries and taxes these military credits generate.

 

[dilloduck]

I don't think so. The aid we give to Israel is in the form of military credits to buy hardware from US companies, and creates US jobs and taxes and that help support the states and regions where those companies are. The major effect of this kind of aid is a wealth transfer from the federal government to the states and localities, which is the essence of the economic stimulus package Obama has promised and which the American people are supporting, so our present economic difficulties, if anything, would indicate that we should continue the aid so that the people who work for these companies don't lose their jobs and the states and localities where they are don't lose the wages, salaries and taxes these military credits generate.

We give money to Israel to spend here ? How much sense does that make?