A lasting solution

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    There are the actors locally on the spot, and the non-regional actors.
    The non-regional actors are all prestressed and in case of USA actively taking sides on Israel. I do not want to talk about USA multi-level assistance to Israel.
    Speaking short: There is no advancement. There are temporary ups and downs. Currently we are again in an down phase. So the stipulated formulas of local and non-regional actors lead to no advancement.

    Turkey is pushing for new formulas. Our government is keen on involvement into the issue. On humanitarian, economical and military level. Turkey wants to send troops into Gaza.
    Also since 2005 because of the situation on ground the Erez-Industrypark project is not advanceing. The project is initiated by TOBB ( Union of Chambers and Exchange Commodities of Turkey). As such institution it is together with TUSIAD most powerful civil-institution in Turkey.
    You can read about the project here:
    http://www.industryforpeace.org/tob-bis-eng.swf

    but i will give you short roundup:
    - transferring of Turkish OIZ-model (Organized Industrial Zone) into Gaza.
    - Turkish firms moving there
    - 10.000 Palestinians under work

    People's Daily Online -- Turkey to build mega project in Palestine
    Despite the fact that agreements were already signed with Israel the project is not advanceing as wished.

    Gaza is really really small. Something like "Care" and overlapping "Marshall Plan" like USA did with post-war Germany is without doubt within Turkish capabilities.
    Turkish government has not initiated any long-term economy-boosting activities in Palestine, the work is being done by civil institutions like TOBB. Turkish Government is just sending humanitarian aid like food packages.
    But once Turkish troops will be stationed there government will initiate these kind of projects, i am sure of.
    Turkish Army itself is a charity organization, too, building hospitals and infrastructure on every peace mission it joins. On institutional level Turkish Army makes these kind of activities on its self. Government involvement into such kind of things proceeds via TIKA (Turkish International Cooperation and Development Agency).
    Hürriyet - -Turkey gives $5 billion aid in four years
    TIKA has a diversified personel structure rangeing from engineers to doctors.

    Turkish Red Crescent is 4th biggest Aid organization in the world. Such it must be as Istanbul will face a devastateing earthquake sometime in future.
    Volunteer Abroad - Turkey
    Once Turkish troops will be stationed there, continouus flow of activities heading to Gaza will proceed.

    Now to the political side of all this.

    Turkish government sees obviously no risks of sending troops, the same with Turkish General Staff as Government can not hurry ahead with such motivation without seeking consensus with the executive institution, the General Staff.
    Speaking openly, Hamas is isolated both by most Arab governments and completely in the west. So Iran and Syria gratefully fill the vacuum. If there is conflict between Turkish Army and Hamas the father of such conflict is known. And there is no way any country in the region has motivation of being father to such activities regarding Turkey. Feasible?

    If we do view Hamas independently from regional factors, Turkey is the gateway for Hamas out of isolation. And there is no way the average Palestinian would support any crime activities against Turkish Troops. You saw/see that in Afghanistan, Balkans, Somalia, Lebanon and elsewhere where Turkish Troops went.
    In Afghanistan Turkish Barracks are open to Afghani citizens, no understanding of a fortress. So it will be in Gaza.

    Thanks for your attention. Hopefully things lead to Turkish Troops deployment there.
     
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    How does Israel feel about that proposal ?
     
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    Israel should just tell the Palis they've got 20 days to evacuate and then level the place.
     
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    We know--now shut the hell up and let some serious conversation occur.
     
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    Hey, if you see any let me know.
     
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    the OP here is a good example----see if you can pull of something serious and thought out like that.
     
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    According to Turkish press reports Israel is against a force solely comprimising of EU countries. But it is wished Turkey is definetely involved. Sounds logic, there is no problems between Israel and Turkey. It is also being said, that Olmert when he was in Ankara the days prior to the Gaza offensive, Olmert did inform Erdogan on the coming attack.
    It is being said, that Erdogan's harsh comments on the invasion are in order to steal the show from any Anti-Israelian politicians in the region trying to profile itself.
    Erdogan and forein minister Babacan did already travel these days to all important capitals in the region. It is being said this "tour" was to gain support to Turkish involvement or speaking alternatively not taking anti-position in any form against Turkish involvement.
     
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    It looks like you have no fucking clue. Just no fucking clue.
     
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    See---It looks like Israel is already balking at the idea of allowing ANYONE to step in.
     
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    I was being totally serious.
     

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