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ekrem

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There are the actors locally on the spot, and the non-regional actors.
The non-regional actors are all prestressed and in case of USA actively taking sides on Israel. I do not want to talk about USA multi-level assistance to Israel.
Speaking short: There is no advancement. There are temporary ups and downs. Currently we are again in an down phase. So the stipulated formulas of local and non-regional actors lead to no advancement.

Turkey is pushing for new formulas. Our government is keen on involvement into the issue. On humanitarian, economical and military level. Turkey wants to send troops into Gaza.
Also since 2005 because of the situation on ground the Erez-Industrypark project is not advanceing. The project is initiated by TOBB ( Union of Chambers and Exchange Commodities of Turkey). As such institution it is together with TUSIAD most powerful civil-institution in Turkey.
You can read about the project here:
http://www.industryforpeace.org/tob-bis-eng.swf

but i will give you short roundup:
- transferring of Turkish OIZ-model (Organized Industrial Zone) into Gaza.
- Turkish firms moving there
- 10.000 Palestinians under work

An industrial zone on the Gaza Strip border will be re-opened under Turkey's supervision and the zone will provide 10,000 jobs to Palestinians, Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said
People's Daily Online -- Turkey to build mega project in Palestine
Despite the fact that agreements were already signed with Israel the project is not advanceing as wished.

Gaza is really really small. Something like "Care" and overlapping "Marshall Plan" like USA did with post-war Germany is without doubt within Turkish capabilities.
Turkish government has not initiated any long-term economy-boosting activities in Palestine, the work is being done by civil institutions like TOBB. Turkish Government is just sending humanitarian aid like food packages.
But once Turkish troops will be stationed there government will initiate these kind of projects, i am sure of.
Turkish Army itself is a charity organization, too, building hospitals and infrastructure on every peace mission it joins. On institutional level Turkish Army makes these kind of activities on its self. Government involvement into such kind of things proceeds via TIKA (Turkish International Cooperation and Development Agency).
Turkey has allocated $5.2 billion to development aid in the last four years.
Hürriyet - -Turkey gives $5 billion aid in four years
TIKA has a diversified personel structure rangeing from engineers to doctors.

Turkish Red Crescent is 4th biggest Aid organization in the world. Such it must be as Istanbul will face a devastateing earthquake sometime in future.
Turkish Red Crescent Society (KIZILAY) is the fourth biggest aid organisation in the world with the second biggest capacity of helping people all around the world.
Volunteer Abroad - Turkey
Once Turkish troops will be stationed there, continouus flow of activities heading to Gaza will proceed.

Now to the political side of all this.

Turkish government sees obviously no risks of sending troops, the same with Turkish General Staff as Government can not hurry ahead with such motivation without seeking consensus with the executive institution, the General Staff.
Speaking openly, Hamas is isolated both by most Arab governments and completely in the west. So Iran and Syria gratefully fill the vacuum. If there is conflict between Turkish Army and Hamas the father of such conflict is known. And there is no way any country in the region has motivation of being father to such activities regarding Turkey. Feasible?

If we do view Hamas independently from regional factors, Turkey is the gateway for Hamas out of isolation. And there is no way the average Palestinian would support any crime activities against Turkish Troops. You saw/see that in Afghanistan, Balkans, Somalia, Lebanon and elsewhere where Turkish Troops went.
In Afghanistan Turkish Barracks are open to Afghani citizens, no understanding of a fortress. So it will be in Gaza.

Thanks for your attention. Hopefully things lead to Turkish Troops deployment there.
 
There are the actors locally on the spot, and the non-regional actors.
The non-regional actors are all prestressed and in case of USA actively taking sides on Israel. I do not want to talk about USA multi-level assistance to Israel.
Speaking short: There is no advancement. There are temporary ups and downs. Currently we are again in an down phase. So the stipulated formulas of local and non-regional actors lead to no advancement.

Turkey is pushing for new formulas. Our government is keen on involvement into the issue. On humanitarian, economical and military level. Turkey wants to send troops into Gaza.
Also since 2005 because of the situation on ground the Erez-Industrypark project is not advanceing. The project is initiated by TOBB ( Union of Chambers and Exchange Commodities of Turkey). As such institution it is together with TUSIAD most powerful civil-institution in Turkey.
You can read about the project here:
http://www.industryforpeace.org/tob-bis-eng.swf

but i will give you short roundup:
- transferring of Turkish OIZ-model (Organized Industrial Zone) into Gaza.
- Turkish firms moving there
- 10.000 Palestinians under work


People's Daily Online -- Turkey to build mega project in Palestine
Despite the fact that agreements were already signed with Israel the project is not advanceing as wished.

Gaza is really really small. Something like "Care" and overlapping "Marshall Plan" like USA did with post-war Germany is without doubt within Turkish capabilities.
Turkish government has not initiated any long-term economy-boosting activities in Palestine, the work is being done by civil institutions like TOBB. Turkish Government is just sending humanitarian aid like food packages.
But once Turkish troops will be stationed there government will initiate these kind of projects, i am sure of.
Turkish Army itself is a charity organization, too, building hospitals and infrastructure on every peace mission it joins. On institutional level Turkish Army makes these kind of activities on its self. Government involvement into such kind of things proceeds via TIKA (Turkish International Cooperation and Development Agency).

Hürriyet - -Turkey gives $5 billion aid in four years
TIKA has a diversified personel structure rangeing from engineers to doctors.

Turkish Red Crescent is 4th biggest Aid organization in the world. Such it must be as Istanbul will face a devastateing earthquake sometime in future.

Volunteer Abroad - Turkey
Once Turkish troops will be stationed there, continouus flow of activities heading to Gaza will proceed.

Now to the political side of all this.

Turkish government sees obviously no risks of sending troops, the same with Turkish General Staff as Government can not hurry ahead with such motivation without seeking consensus with the executive institution, the General Staff.
Speaking openly, Hamas is isolated both by most Arab governments and completely in the west. So Iran and Syria gratefully fill the vacuum. If there is conflict between Turkish Army and Hamas the father of such conflict is known. And there is no way any country in the region has motivation of being father to such activities regarding Turkey. Feasible?

If we do view Hamas independently from regional factors, Turkey is the gateway for Hamas out of isolation. And there is no way the average Palestinian would support any crime activities against Turkish Troops. You saw/see that in Afghanistan, Balkans, Somalia, Lebanon and elsewhere where Turkish Troops went.
In Afghanistan Turkish Barracks are open to Afghani citizens, no understanding of a fortress. So it will be in Gaza.

Thanks for your attention. Hopefully things lead to Turkish Troops deployment there.

How does Israel feel about that proposal ?
 
How does Israel feel about that proposal ?

According to Turkish press reports Israel is against a force solely comprimising of EU countries. But it is wished Turkey is definetely involved. Sounds logic, there is no problems between Israel and Turkey. It is also being said, that Olmert when he was in Ankara the days prior to the Gaza offensive, Olmert did inform Erdogan on the coming attack.
It is being said, that Erdogan's harsh comments on the invasion are in order to steal the show from any Anti-Israelian politicians in the region trying to profile itself.
Erdogan and forein minister Babacan did already travel these days to all important capitals in the region. It is being said this "tour" was to gain support to Turkish involvement or speaking alternatively not taking anti-position in any form against Turkish involvement.
 
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According to Turkish press reports Israel is against a force solely comprimising of EU countries. But it is wished Turkey is definetely involved. Sounds logic, there is no problems between Israel and Turkey. It is also being said, that Olmert when he was in Ankara the days prior to the Gaza offensive, Olmert did inform Erdogan on the coming attack.
It is being said, that Erdogan's harsh comments on the invasion are in order to steal the show from any Anti-Israelian politicians in the region trying to profile itself.
Erdogan and forein minister Babacan did already travel these days to all important capitals in the region. It is being said this "tour" was to gain support to Turkish involvement or speaking alternatively not taking anti-position in any form against Turkish involvement.

See---It looks like Israel is already balking at the idea of allowing ANYONE to step in.
 
Because everybody else is just in it for whatever they need out of it. Nobody gives a fuck about the interests of either the Israelis OR the Palestinians. Fighting will continue until the end of time forever and ever and ever and ever and ever until it is over. Every time somebody intervenes, they push back the time when it will be over. IT must end. The must go all out and finish it. For all.
 
Because everybody else is just in it for whatever they need out of it. Nobody gives a fuck about the interests of either the Israelis OR the Palestinians. Fighting will continue until the end of time forever and ever and ever and ever and ever until it is over. Every time somebody intervenes, they push back the time when it will be over. IT must end. The must go all out and finish it. For all.

The US has a ton of bucks invested here--we outta be looking out for our interests. If someone is willing t ostep in the middle of that shit --more power too em. And I bet the Turks ain't putting up with anyone's shit.
 
See---It looks like Israel is already balking at the idea of allowing ANYONE to step in.

When America and all European countries announce a cease fire between our forces in Afghanistan and Al Queda/Taliban, then the world has a right to tell Israel to stop firing... and not a moment until then.
 
When America and all European countries announce a cease fire between our forces in Afghanistan and Al Queda/Taliban, then the world has a right to tell Israel to stop firing... and not a moment until then.

Sorry---if Israel takes American money ---Israel does some listening.
 
See---It looks like Israel is already balking at the idea of allowing ANYONE to step in.

Really? Not so:

The Associated Press: Gaza fighting rages despite cease-fire proposal

...While the Security Council failed to reach agreement on a cease-fire resolution, Egypt's U.N. Ambassador Maged Abdelaziz said representatives of Israel, the Palestinians and Hamas have agreed to meet in Cairo Thursday for talks brokered by Egypt....

...In Turkey, a Mideast diplomat who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly said that country would be asked to put together an international force that could help keep the peace. And diplomats in New York worked on a U.N. Security Council statement backing the cease-fire initiative but failed to reach agreement on action to end the violence.

"We are very much applauding the efforts of a number of states, particularly the effort that President (Hosni) Mubarak has undertaken on behalf of Egypt," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said. "We're supporting that initiative."...

...French President Nicolas Sarkozy said that both Israel and the Palestinian Authority had accepted the cease-fire deal, but he made no mention of Hamas, without whom no truce could work. The Palestinian Authority controls only the West Bank while Hamas rules Gaza — two territories on opposite sides of Israel that are supposed to make up a future Palestinian state.

Later, Israeli officials made it clear Sarkozy's statement was not exactly accurate.

"Israel welcomes the initiative of the French president and the Egyptian president to bring about a sustainable quiet in the south," said Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev.

But for Israel to accept the proposal, he said, "there has to be a total and complete cessation of all hostile fire from Gaza into Israel, and ... we have to see an arms embargo on Hamas that will receive international support."
For its part, Hamas said it would not accept a truce deal unless it includes an end to the Israeli blockade of Gaza — something Israel says it is not willing to do....

Hamas wants to 'gain' something from the war, while they keep firing the missiles, Israel is supposed to lift checkpoints. Not going to happen.
 

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