A contestant for Miss USA said health care was a “privilege,” not a right. Minutes later, she won

[Penelope]

a black woman from DC and she's conservative! SHE WON!

Miss USA Kara McCullough says health care is a 'privilege'

Health care in the modern world is a right.

This is why we hve laws mandating that hospitals give medical care to the poor even if they cannot pay for it.

Once again, emergency care is not health care. They tell you to follow up with your family physician.

Emergency care is a subgroup of health care aka medical care.

It would be so cost efficient if we only used emergency care for mainly accidents.

This lady who is against the ACA give a perfect example of what a person without health care can end up costing.
This lady says her husband would of died under the ACA!!

 

[Penelope]

Conservative logic

1 - It's a right to be born.
2 - You don't have a right to live after that though if you can't afford it. Dog eat dog world you know. Same for your children, just make sure they die somewhere I don't have to see it.
3 - Just like Jesus would want.

Then its too late, a fetus born is only as healthy as the parents, of course there are some exceptions, but not many.

 

[dblack]

Conservative logic

1 - It's a right to be born.
2 - You don't have a right to live after that though if you can't afford it. Dog eat dog world you know. Same for your children, just make sure they die somewhere I don't have to see it.
3 - Just like Jesus would want.

I certainly don't want government asking WWJD? as a means of determining policy.

 

[dblack]

You can refuse to do business with a soulless insurance company. Throwing a shitty leader out of office is much harder and less reliable.

Well, since they are ALL soulless, no, I really can't.

ACA's mandate notwithstanding, you really can. Open your mind. You're not a slave. Yet.

 

[there4eyeM]

As if words were some kind of objective, absolute residing somewhere in the universe!
The word 'right' represents a human concept and is totally subjective. One's desire that the meaning of a word issue from 'God' or elsewhere may make one feel cozy, but it is illusion.

 

[JimBowie1958]

a black woman from DC and she's conservative! SHE WON!

Miss USA Kara McCullough says health care is a 'privilege'

Health care in the modern world is a right.

This is why we hve laws mandating that hospitals give medical care to the poor even if they cannot pay for it.

Once again, emergency care is not health care. They tell you to follow up with your family physician.

Emergency care is a subgroup of health care aka medical care.

It would be so cost efficient if we only used emergency care for mainly accidents.

This lady who is against the ACA give a perfect example of what a person without health care can end up costing.
This lady says her husband would of died under the ACA!!

We seem to be discussing two different things. I am not arguing that legally entitled emergency care makes the ACA obsolete or unneeded. Having emergency care does not remove the need for preventive care, follow up care, etc.

I was simply presenting our laws for emergency medical care as proof of the idea that medical care is a natural right.

The only debate really is how far does that right extend. But if the public has to pay for life saving medicine, it only makes sense for us to pay for preventive medicine in order to make life saving treatment less expensive and frequent.

 

[JimBowie1958]

As if words were some kind of objective, absolute residing somewhere in the universe!
The word 'right' represents a human concept and is totally subjective. One's desire that the meaning of a word issue from 'God' or elsewhere may make one feel cozy, but it is illusion.

That is a very interesting point.

Do you believe that the concept of 'cosine' exists independently of human understanding or is entirely dependent on human perception?

I say 'cosine' exists whether humans grasp the notion or not.

Similarly the concept of Natural rights also exists whether humans perceive it to or not.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Conservative logic

1 - It's a right to be born.
2 - You don't have a right to live after that though if you can't afford it. Dog eat dog world you know. Same for your children, just make sure they die somewhere I don't have to see it.
3 - Just like Jesus would want.

Not all Conservatives are Losertarians.

The German Chancellor Bismark was one of the most conservative people ever born and he believed that his people should have medical care and welfare.

 

[Penelope]

Even Nixon had a plan of which we never hear about, one just hears about Watergate.

Nixoncare vs. Obamacare: U-M team compares the rhetoric & reality of two health plans | Institute for Healthcare Policy and Innovation

 

[Fang]

Healthcare is a right IMO. But those who spend their lives studying and providing healthcare have a right to be treated fairly and compensated fairly for their hard work and dedication. As for Miss USA, she should not be judged on her answer, but how she presented her answer.

 

[dblack]

As if words were some kind of objective, absolute residing somewhere in the universe!
The word 'right' represents a human concept and is totally subjective. One's desire that the meaning of a word issue from 'God' or elsewhere may make one feel cozy, but it is illusion.

This is a complete misconception of inalienable (or, 'god-given') rights. The idea of inalienable rights isn't an appeal to authority, religious or otherwise. Nor is it an 'illusion'. It's a way of referencing the basic freedom that all people have before interacting with others in society. Think of inalienable rights as the liberty you'd have if no one else were around to interfere. Jefferson was saying that we create government to protect, as much as possible, that ideal state of freedom.

 

[there4eyeM]

Think of rights as something one is capable of exercising. As a hostage with a pistol to one's temple, where is one's inalienable right to speech or freedom of movement?

 

[there4eyeM]

The question of whether the universe would exist without a perceiver is ridiculous. There is no meaning, substance or significance to an answer.

 

[dblack]

Think of rights as something one is capable of exercising. As a hostage with a pistol to one's temple, where is one's inalienable right to speech or freedom of movement?

You seem to be thinking that "inalienable" means that it can't be violated. That's a common misconception, but that's not what it means.