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When you let ideology sway your perception of the facts trying to truly understand things becomes a "challenge".
Asclepias would rather believe that Native Americans had access to a Home Depot than admit that they weren't swindled by Europeans when they sold them land. It's rather amusing to watch...
You continue to display an almost childlike ignorance of world history. At one time salt was so valuable a commodity that nations went to war over it. Yet there were places where salt was so plentiful that you could buy it for next to nothing. The value of anything is in direct proportion to it's scarcity. If you're surrounded by lakes then water isn't a priority to you...if you're stranded in the desert miles from it...then it is. What you would pay for water in each locale isn't indicative of your intelligence or prove someone else was a swindler for selling it dearly. Do you really not understand basic concepts like this?
We are not talking about salt or sugar or even corn syrup. We are talking about the fact that native Americans were swindled due to the sense of ownership they believed in. It doesnt mean they were stupid. The were ignorant of things to come. At most due to their belief system they were allowing your ancestors to share the land. Little did they know they needed an attorney.
You continue to display an almost childlike ignorance of world history. At one time salt was so valuable a commodity that nations went to war over it. Yet there were places where salt was so plentiful that you could buy it for next to nothing. The value of anything is in direct proportion to it's scarcity. If you're surrounded by lakes then water isn't a priority to you...if you're stranded in the desert miles from it...then it is. What you would pay for water in each locale isn't indicative of your intelligence or prove someone else was a swindler for selling it dearly. Do you really not understand basic concepts like this?
We are not talking about salt or sugar or even corn syrup. We are talking about the fact that native Americans were swindled due to the sense of ownership they believed in. It doesnt mean they were stupid. The were ignorant of things to come. At most due to their belief system they were allowing your ancestors to share the land. Little did they know they needed an attorney.
I think it would be more accurate to say that most Native Americans saw the newcomers as an asset. They provided goods that the Indians did not possess...goods that would have given tribes who did trade with them an edge over their Indian rivals. Once again...for an Native American at that point in time, someone offering to trade non-existent items like iron axes, hatchets and kettles for an abundant resource like land would have seemed like a Godsend to the Indians.
When you let ideology sway your perception of the facts trying to truly understand things becomes a "challenge".
Asclepias would rather believe that Native Americans had access to a Home Depot than admit that they weren't swindled by Europeans when they sold them land. It's rather amusing to watch...
When you start believing the same historians that told you Christopher Columbus discovered America and that the Egyptians were white then you usually arent ready to admit native Americans were more advanced than the savages they have been portrayed as.
We are not talking about salt or sugar or even corn syrup. We are talking about the fact that native Americans were swindled due to the sense of ownership they believed in. It doesnt mean they were stupid. The were ignorant of things to come. At most due to their belief system they were allowing your ancestors to share the land. Little did they know they needed an attorney.
I think it would be more accurate to say that most Native Americans saw the newcomers as an asset. They provided goods that the Indians did not possess...goods that would have given tribes who did trade with them an edge over their Indian rivals. Once again...for an Native American at that point in time, someone offering to trade non-existent items like iron axes, hatchets and kettles for an abundant resource like land would have seemed like a Godsend to the Indians.
Once again that would be assuming they did not have iron already and they did think of land ownership the way whites did. There is already evidence coming out about ancient iron mines in north America and a verified one about 12000 years old in South America. The internet is making it hard for whites to suppress true history now.
When you let ideology sway your perception of the facts trying to truly understand things becomes a "challenge".
Asclepias would rather believe that Native Americans had access to a Home Depot than admit that they weren't swindled by Europeans when they sold them land. It's rather amusing to watch...
When you start believing the same historians that told you Christopher Columbus discovered America and that the Egyptians were white then you usually arent ready to admit native Americans were more advanced than the savages they have been portrayed as.
Most historians these days think that the Vikings "discovered" the New World. Most historians today believe that the Egyptians are a mix of the races that surround them...meaning they are neither "white" nor "black".
And I don't know of ANY historians who think that the Native Americans possessed iron tool making capabilities prior to Europeans landing here. Compared to the civilizations that were flourishing in Europe and elsewhere at that time...the American Indian was NOT an advanced civilization. That isn't to call them "savages"...it's simply to tell the truth that they were basically a stone age civilization existing in an age where other civilizations possessed firearms and iron tools.
And if you REALLY knew your ass from your elbow you'd know that the 12,000 year old mine discovered in South American wasn't mined for "ore" to make tools...it was "mined" for iron oxide that the natives used to paint things on walls. You amuse me, Asclepias...
How much time are you guys going to waste trying to educate this negro?
Now you know how are school system feels.
And if you REALLY knew your ass from your elbow you'd know that the 12,000 year old mine discovered in South American wasn't mined for "ore" to make tools...it was "mined" for iron oxide that the natives used to paint things on walls. You amuse me, Asclepias...
Its just nervous laughter your feeling. Where did I say it was used to make tools? That hasnt been established yet. I already told you the proof will be coming shortly. Probably in the next couple of years. Some of the artifacts found in the Americas had to have been made from iron tools. Sooner or later they will find them if not already.
When you start believing the same historians that told you Christopher Columbus discovered America and that the Egyptians were white then you usually arent ready to admit native Americans were more advanced than the savages they have been portrayed as.
Most historians these days think that the Vikings "discovered" the New World. Most historians today believe that the Egyptians are a mix of the races that surround them...meaning they are neither "white" nor "black".
And I don't know of ANY historians who think that the Native Americans possessed iron tool making capabilities prior to Europeans landing here. Compared to the civilizations that were flourishing in Europe and elsewhere at that time...the American Indian was NOT an advanced civilization. That isn't to call them "savages"...it's simply to tell the truth that they were basically a stone age civilization existing in an age where other civilizations possessed firearms and iron tools.
Does it make you wonder why they still insist on teaching the Columbus myth? Why would they do that if the Vikings were here first? Thats because if the Vikings were here first then they would have to prove it. The theory doesn't stand up and they know it.
The same thing goes with the Egyptian myth as well. The only whites there were the ones that came to study from Greece. Before that they were all black as quoted by greek historians.
Again you are reading the wrong books. Africans have been making iron tools long before anyone else was and brought them over to the Americas. The Native Americans may not have made them but the Africans sure did. I'm pretty sure they shared some of them with the the Native Americans that were here with them.
And if you REALLY knew your ass from your elbow you'd know that the 12,000 year old mine discovered in South American wasn't mined for "ore" to make tools...it was "mined" for iron oxide that the natives used to paint things on walls. You amuse me, Asclepias...
Its just nervous laughter your feeling. Where did I say it was used to make tools? That hasnt been established yet. I already told you the proof will be coming shortly. Probably in the next couple of years. Some of the artifacts found in the Americas had to have been made from iron tools. Sooner or later they will find them if not already.
That's not nervous laughter...that's just good old fashioned belly laughing because you whiffed on that one so badly.
We were talking about whether or not Native American Indians had the ability to make iron tools and you declared that they did because of your so called "mine" from 12,000 years ago. The only problem is that A) it's not in North America...it's down in Peru and B) they didn't dig up iron ore to make tools...they dug up iron oxide to use as paint.
That's PAINT!!! Not a tool...PAINT!!!
What artifacts found in the Americas had to have been made from iron tools? To the best of my knowledge the only iron being used prior to colonization is a few iron arrowheads that were made from meteorites. That's it, Sparky!
But you can't admit that you're wrong...can you? You're so bound and determined to paint the Europeans as the "bad guys" no matter what, that you have to alter history to try and make Native Americans something that they simply were not.
Its just nervous laughter your feeling. Where did I say it was used to make tools? That hasnt been established yet. I already told you the proof will be coming shortly. Probably in the next couple of years. Some of the artifacts found in the Americas had to have been made from iron tools. Sooner or later they will find them if not already.
That's not nervous laughter...that's just good old fashioned belly laughing because you whiffed on that one so badly.
We were talking about whether or not Native American Indians had the ability to make iron tools and you declared that they did because of your so called "mine" from 12,000 years ago. The only problem is that A) it's not in North America...it's down in Peru and B) they didn't dig up iron ore to make tools...they dug up iron oxide to use as paint.
That's PAINT!!! Not a tool...PAINT!!!
What artifacts found in the Americas had to have been made from iron tools? To the best of my knowledge the only iron being used prior to colonization is a few iron arrowheads that were made from meteorites. That's it, Sparky!
But you can't admit that you're wrong...can you? You're so bound and determined to paint the Europeans as the "bad guys" no matter what, that you have to alter history to try and make Native Americans something that they simply were not.
Sorry Old. You were the one talking about them having the ability to make tools. I merely said they may have already had access to them. Try quoting me where i said they actually made the tools.
That's not nervous laughter...that's just good old fashioned belly laughing because you whiffed on that one so badly.
We were talking about whether or not Native American Indians had the ability to make iron tools and you declared that they did because of your so called "mine" from 12,000 years ago. The only problem is that A) it's not in North America...it's down in Peru and B) they didn't dig up iron ore to make tools...they dug up iron oxide to use as paint.
That's PAINT!!! Not a tool...PAINT!!!
What artifacts found in the Americas had to have been made from iron tools? To the best of my knowledge the only iron being used prior to colonization is a few iron arrowheads that were made from meteorites. That's it, Sparky!
But you can't admit that you're wrong...can you? You're so bound and determined to paint the Europeans as the "bad guys" no matter what, that you have to alter history to try and make Native Americans something that they simply were not.
Sorry Old. You were the one talking about them having the ability to make tools. I merely said they may have already had access to them. Try quoting me where i said they actually made the tools.
Wow, what a weak attempt at spin. It's too bad you lack the character to admit you were wrong, because this would be a great time for it.
