2014 is USA's Coolest Year on Record

[Impenitent]

You would link to it, if it proved what you said was true...

Waiting...

 

[westwall]

That's funny. Steven Goddard (your source) has found a way to show a declining trend from data he knows proves the opposite.

Removing Half Of All HCN Stations Has Essentially No Impact On The US Temperature Real Science

And yet you trust made up models by Michael Mann....go figure.

Careful what you say about Dr. Mann - he fights for truth, justice, and the American way.

"In January 2014 District of Columbia Superior Court Judge Weisberg found that Dr. Mann's lawsuit should not be dismissed pursuant to the District Of Columbia's Anti-SLAPP statute. Accusing a scientist of conducting his research fraudulently is a factual allegation that can be proven true or false, not mere hyperbolic opinionating. If it is false it is defamatory, and if it is made with actual malice it is actionable."

Careful what you say about Dr. Mann - he fights for truth,

Yeah, sure he does!

Let me see... Mark Styne had 102 amiscus briefs and Michale Mann had .......ZERO.. No one is willing to stand up for Mann because they know he is a liar. And yet Mann refuses to give up his work, methods, and data to prove that he is not a liar.... What kind of scientist hides work done on the public monies? A liar and a Fraud...!

Mann's suit means he's willing to show all work in court. Styn'e's doing the legal stalling. He's the one not wanting to show up in court!

And I remember when you said this case would be dismissed...

Mann is in danger of being placed in Contempt of Court in his Canadian lawsuit against Dr. Ball for refusal to release his work, so no. Mann is going to do everything possible to prevent that. We already know what's in it so it doesn't matter to us. But if he is forced to finally release it it will become public record that he has fraudulently manipulated his data to support his assertions. That constitutes fraud of Public Tax monies and THAT can lead to prison time. That's why he's fighting the release of his info so hard.

 

[Old Rocks]

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Yeah, sure he does!

Let me see... Mark Styne had 102 amiscus briefs and Michale Mann had .......ZERO.. No one is willing to stand up for Mann because they know he is a liar. And yet Mann refuses to give up his work, methods, and data to prove that he is not a liar.... What kind of scientist hides work done on the public monies? A liar and a Fraud...!

Mann's suit means he's willing to show all work in court. Styn'e's doing the legal stalling. He's the one not wanting to show up in court!

And I remember when you said this case would be dismissed...

BULL SHIT!

this is so funny... Mann is using stalling techniques while Styne is requesting a fast trial. Your a looser and dishonest. How about the other 6 law suits Mann is in that he is also refusing to allow discovery in? Are those just imagination?

Nope, Styne's been filing for dismissal, and keeps losing thee suits, Mann had asked the court to stop the delays, and move on to trial.

And it will.

Read about it:

Michael Mann DC Appeals Court brief lays out defamation case and seeks to move toward trial Climate Science Watch

You really should go to the courts site and read..

Liar Billy Boob, link?

 

[Old Rocks]

And yet you trust made up models by Michael Mann....go figure.

Careful what you say about Dr. Mann - he fights for truth, justice, and the American way.

"In January 2014 District of Columbia Superior Court Judge Weisberg found that Dr. Mann's lawsuit should not be dismissed pursuant to the District Of Columbia's Anti-SLAPP statute. Accusing a scientist of conducting his research fraudulently is a factual allegation that can be proven true or false, not mere hyperbolic opinionating. If it is false it is defamatory, and if it is made with actual malice it is actionable."

Careful what you say about Dr. Mann - he fights for truth,

Yeah, sure he does!

Let me see... Mark Styne had 102 amiscus briefs and Michale Mann had .......ZERO.. No one is willing to stand up for Mann because they know he is a liar. And yet Mann refuses to give up his work, methods, and data to prove that he is not a liar.... What kind of scientist hides work done on the public monies? A liar and a Fraud...!

Mann's suit means he's willing to show all work in court. Styn'e's doing the legal stalling. He's the one not wanting to show up in court!

And I remember when you said this case would be dismissed...

Mann is in danger of being placed in Contempt of Court in his Canadian lawsuit against Dr. Ball for refusal to release his work, so no. Mann is going to do everything possible to prevent that. We already know what's in it so it doesn't matter to us. But if he is forced to finally release it it will become public record that he has fraudulently manipulated his data to support his assertions. That constitutes fraud of Public Tax monies and THAT can lead to prison time. That's why he's fighting the release of his info so hard.

Liar Walleyes, link?

 

[Impenitent]

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And yet you trust made up models by Michael Mann....go figure.

Careful what you say about Dr. Mann - he fights for truth, justice, and the American way.

"In January 2014 District of Columbia Superior Court Judge Weisberg found that Dr. Mann's lawsuit should not be dismissed pursuant to the District Of Columbia's Anti-SLAPP statute. Accusing a scientist of conducting his research fraudulently is a factual allegation that can be proven true or false, not mere hyperbolic opinionating. If it is false it is defamatory, and if it is made with actual malice it is actionable."

Careful what you say about Dr. Mann - he fights for truth,

Yeah, sure he does!

Let me see... Mark Styne had 102 amiscus briefs and Michale Mann had .......ZERO.. No one is willing to stand up for Mann because they know he is a liar. And yet Mann refuses to give up his work, methods, and data to prove that he is not a liar.... What kind of scientist hides work done on the public monies? A liar and a Fraud...!

Mann's suit means he's willing to show all work in court. Styn'e's doing the legal stalling. He's the one not wanting to show up in court!

And I remember when you said this case would be dismissed...

Mann is in danger of being placed in Contempt of Court in his Canadian lawsuit against Dr. Ball for refusal to release his work, so no. Mann is going to do everything possible to prevent that. We already know what's in it so it doesn't matter to us. But if he is forced to finally release it it will become public record that he has fraudulently manipulated his data to support his assertions. That constitutes fraud of Public Tax monies and THAT can lead to prison time. That's why he's fighting the release of his info so hard.

ink?

Or do you know this intuitively?

 

[westwall]

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Careful what you say about Dr. Mann - he fights for truth, justice, and the American way.

"In January 2014 District of Columbia Superior Court Judge Weisberg found that Dr. Mann's lawsuit should not be dismissed pursuant to the District Of Columbia's Anti-SLAPP statute. Accusing a scientist of conducting his research fraudulently is a factual allegation that can be proven true or false, not mere hyperbolic opinionating. If it is false it is defamatory, and if it is made with actual malice it is actionable."

Careful what you say about Dr. Mann - he fights for truth,

Yeah, sure he does!

Let me see... Mark Styne had 102 amiscus briefs and Michale Mann had .......ZERO.. No one is willing to stand up for Mann because they know he is a liar. And yet Mann refuses to give up his work, methods, and data to prove that he is not a liar.... What kind of scientist hides work done on the public monies? A liar and a Fraud...!

Mann's suit means he's willing to show all work in court. Styn'e's doing the legal stalling. He's the one not wanting to show up in court!

And I remember when you said this case would be dismissed...

Mann is in danger of being placed in Contempt of Court in his Canadian lawsuit against Dr. Ball for refusal to release his work, so no. Mann is going to do everything possible to prevent that. We already know what's in it so it doesn't matter to us. But if he is forced to finally release it it will become public record that he has fraudulently manipulated his data to support his assertions. That constitutes fraud of Public Tax monies and THAT can lead to prison time. That's why he's fighting the release of his info so hard.

ink?

Or do you know this intuitively?

Well. He lost his suit against Dr. Ball because he refused to release his data (for the aforementioned reasons) and is now being countersued by Dr. Ball for 10 million bucks. Which, based on Manns performance in Canadian Court he will lose in spectacular fasion.

Michael Mann Faces Bankruptcy as his Courtroom Climate Capers Collapse

 

[Impenitent]

L

Yeah, sure he does!

Let me see... Mark Styne had 102 amiscus briefs and Michale Mann had .......ZERO.. No one is willing to stand up for Mann because they know he is a liar. And yet Mann refuses to give up his work, methods, and data to prove that he is not a liar.... What kind of scientist hides work done on the public monies? A liar and a Fraud...!

Mann's suit means he's willing to show all work in court. Styn'e's doing the legal stalling. He's the one not wanting to show up in court!

And I remember when you said this case would be dismissed...

Mann is in danger of being placed in Contempt of Court in his Canadian lawsuit against Dr. Ball for refusal to release his work, so no. Mann is going to do everything possible to prevent that. We already know what's in it so it doesn't matter to us. But if he is forced to finally release it it will become public record that he has fraudulently manipulated his data to support his assertions. That constitutes fraud of Public Tax monies and THAT can lead to prison time. That's why he's fighting the release of his info so hard.

ink?

Or do you know this intuitively?

Well. He lost his suit against Dr. Ball because he refused to release his data (for the aforementioned reasons) and is now being countersued by Dr. Ball for 10 million bucks. Which, based on Manns performance in Canadian Court he will lose in spectacular fasion.

Michael Mann Faces Bankruptcy as his Courtroom Climate Capers Collapse

Why would you believe anything said by John O'Sullivan?

 

[westwall]

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Let me see... Mark Styne had 102 amiscus briefs and Michale Mann had .......ZERO.. No one is willing to stand up for Mann because they know he is a liar. And yet Mann refuses to give up his work, methods, and data to prove that he is not a liar.... What kind of scientist hides work done on the public monies? A liar and a Fraud...!

Mann's suit means he's willing to show all work in court. Styn'e's doing the legal stalling. He's the one not wanting to show up in court!

And I remember when you said this case would be dismissed...

Mann is in danger of being placed in Contempt of Court in his Canadian lawsuit against Dr. Ball for refusal to release his work, so no. Mann is going to do everything possible to prevent that. We already know what's in it so it doesn't matter to us. But if he is forced to finally release it it will become public record that he has fraudulently manipulated his data to support his assertions. That constitutes fraud of Public Tax monies and THAT can lead to prison time. That's why he's fighting the release of his info so hard.

ink?

Or do you know this intuitively?

Well. He lost his suit against Dr. Ball because he refused to release his data (for the aforementioned reasons) and is now being countersued by Dr. Ball for 10 million bucks. Which, based on Manns performance in Canadian Court he will lose in spectacular fasion.

Michael Mann Faces Bankruptcy as his Courtroom Climate Capers Collapse

Why would you believe anything said by John O'Sullivan?

Probably because it's in the Public Record. You know, instead of reinforcing the opinion that you are nothing but a parrot, you might want to do some looking at the source material instead of trying your typical bullshit attacks of the messenger you might actually learn something. If you actually cared to learn anything that is. It is patently apparent however that you are a true believer and "defender of the faith" thus no amount of science will sway your religious beliefs.

 

[SSDD]

Any thoughts on "water snobs" that are covering the planet with plastic bottles that contained tapwater?

One of the many real environmental problems that could be addressed and dealt with if the climate change hoax were not sucking all of the air out of the room and all of the treasure out of the coffers.

 

[SSDD]

Don't know where you live but in western North Carolina I was running my wood stove on October 4th.

Same over here in the central part of the state as well...have had a couple of fires this month.

 

[SSDD]

Agreed. My position is and has always been, I don't have the perspective to know we're causing a temp rise or fall or whatever -- I doubt anyone does -- but what the hell's the harm in cleaning up after ourselves?

All this partisan denialist crap smacks of energetically resisting the idea of putting food away in your kitchen just because yesterday you left it out and didn't see any roaches or rats.

There are plenty of real environmental problems that need to be dealt with, but they can't be addressed till the AGW hoax is put to bed...it is so divisive that it overwhelms everything else....Hell, look at this board...there is an environmental section....what gets talked about here?...actual environmental problems or the AGW hoax. The actual problems get a small mention in a larger AGW related thread....or a thread that dies quickly and is soon shuffled to the bottom of the deck. The AGW hoax is about the acquisition of money and power...not addressing any real environmental issue.

 

[SSDD]

Why would you believe anything said by John O'Sullivan?

Why would you believe anything said by anyone?

 

[boedicca]

That's funny. Steven Goddard (your source) has found a way to show a declining trend from data he knows proves the opposite.

Removing Half Of All HCN Stations Has Essentially No Impact On The US Temperature Real Science

And yet you trust made up models by Michael Mann....go figure.

Careful what you say about Dr. Mann - he fights for truth, justice, and the American way.

"In January 2014 District of Columbia Superior Court Judge Weisberg found that Dr. Mann's lawsuit should not be dismissed pursuant to the District Of Columbia's Anti-SLAPP statute. Accusing a scientist of conducting his research fraudulently is a factual allegation that can be proven true or false, not mere hyperbolic opinionating. If it is false it is defamatory, and if it is made with actual malice it is actionable."

Careful what you say about Dr. Mann - he fights for truth,

Yeah, sure he does!

If we are lucky, it will be AGW vs deniers. Can't wait!

WHat 18 years 2 months of no warming passed Dr Ben Santers goal posts of 17 years, by a year and 2 months ago, to disprove AGW.... Are you digging up the goal posts again?

But but but....oh shut up, you racist hater!

 

[boedicca]

There are plenty of real environmental problems that need to be dealt with, but they can't be addressed till the AGW hoax is put to bed...it is so divisive that it overwhelms everything else....Hell, look at this board...there is an environmental section....what gets talked about here?...actual environmental problems or the AGW hoax. The actual problems get a small mention in a larger AGW related thread....or a thread that dies quickly and is soon shuffled to the bottom of the deck. The AGW hoax is about the acquisition of money and power...not addressing any real environmental issue.

Bingo. Green is the New Red.

 

[boedicca]

And yet you trust made up models by Michael Mann....go figure.

Careful what you say about Dr. Mann - he fights for truth, justice, and the American way.

"In January 2014 District of Columbia Superior Court Judge Weisberg found that Dr. Mann's lawsuit should not be dismissed pursuant to the District Of Columbia's Anti-SLAPP statute. Accusing a scientist of conducting his research fraudulently is a factual allegation that can be proven true or false, not mere hyperbolic opinionating. If it is false it is defamatory, and if it is made with actual malice it is actionable."

Careful what you say about Dr. Mann - he fights for truth,

Yeah, sure he does!

Let me see... Mark Styne had 102 amiscus briefs and Michale Mann had .......ZERO.. No one is willing to stand up for Mann because they know he is a liar. And yet Mann refuses to give up his work, methods, and data to prove that he is not a liar.... What kind of scientist hides work done on the public monies? A liar and a Fraud...!

Mann's suit means he's willing to show all work in court. Styn'e's doing the legal stalling. He's the one not wanting to show up in court!

And I remember when you said this case would be dismissed...

Mann is in danger of being placed in Contempt of Court in his Canadian lawsuit against Dr. Ball for refusal to release his work, so no. Mann is going to do everything possible to prevent that. We already know what's in it so it doesn't matter to us. But if he is forced to finally release it it will become public record that he has fraudulently manipulated his data to support his assertions. That constitutes fraud of Public Tax monies and THAT can lead to prison time. That's why he's fighting the release of his info so hard.

Maybe he can get the EPA to accidentally destroy his computer and data...the IRS could provide some pointers.

 

[jc456]

If you are uncertain that the earth is warming, and you think that someone's messing with the temperature record, you only need look at the actual condition of the earth: the melting of land ice (glaciers) and the sea level rise, which are unexplainable in a cooling earth.

Ice? You mean things like the 29% INCREASE in Arctic ice last year?

A chilly Arctic summer has left 533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 29 per cent.

The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.

Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.....

And now it s global COOLING Return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 29 in a year Daily Mail Online

That changes annually, and now it's all gone. This is 2014, and it's already reached its minimum at the 6th lowest figure of record.

But land ice is far different from sea ice. Only land ice melt (Greenland and Glaciers) can change sea level - and you cannot deny they are melting, and threatening coastal cities around the world.

Can you explain what is different than the last 1000 years?

 

[SSDD]

If you are uncertain that the earth is warming, and you think that someone's messing with the temperature record, you only need look at the actual condition of the earth: the melting of land ice (glaciers) and the sea level rise, which are unexplainable in a cooling earth.

Ice? You mean things like the 29% INCREASE in Arctic ice last year?

A chilly Arctic summer has left 533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 29 per cent.

The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.

Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.....

And now it s global COOLING Return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 29 in a year Daily Mail Online

That changes annually, and now it's all gone. This is 2014, and it's already reached its minimum at the 6th lowest figure of record.

But land ice is far different from sea ice. Only land ice melt (Greenland and Glaciers) can change sea level - and you cannot deny they are melting, and threatening coastal cities around the world.

Can you explain what is different than the last 1000 years?

Well, it was warmer a thousand years ago...MWP doncha know.

 

[Impenitent]

If you are uncertain that the earth is warming, and you think that someone's messing with the temperature record, you only need look at the actual condition of the earth: the melting of land ice (glaciers) and the sea level rise, which are unexplainable in a cooling earth.

Ice? You mean things like the 29% INCREASE in Arctic ice last year?

A chilly Arctic summer has left 533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 29 per cent.

The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.

Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.....

And now it s global COOLING Return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 29 in a year Daily Mail Online

That changes annually, and now it's all gone. This is 2014, and it's already reached its minimum at the 6th lowest figure of record.

But land ice is far different from sea ice. Only land ice melt (Greenland and Glaciers) can change sea level - and you cannot deny they are melting, and threatening coastal cities around the world.

Can you explain what is different than the last 1000 years?

Yes, sea level was essentially constant for the last 2000 years, before it began a more rapid rise in the mid 1800's. Same thing for glacial melt.

Put 2 and 2 together.

 

[SSDD]

If you are uncertain that the earth is warming, and you think that someone's messing with the temperature record, you only need look at the actual condition of the earth: the melting of land ice (glaciers) and the sea level rise, which are unexplainable in a cooling earth.

Ice? You mean things like the 29% INCREASE in Arctic ice last year?

A chilly Arctic summer has left 533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 29 per cent.

The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.

Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.....

And now it s global COOLING Return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 29 in a year Daily Mail Online

That changes annually, and now it's all gone. This is 2014, and it's already reached its minimum at the 6th lowest figure of record.

But land ice is far different from sea ice. Only land ice melt (Greenland and Glaciers) can change sea level - and you cannot deny they are melting, and threatening coastal cities around the world.

Can you explain what is different than the last 1000 years?

Yes, sea level was essentially constant for the last 2000 years, before it began a more rapid rise in the mid 1800's. Same thing for glacial melt.

Put 2 and 2 together.

Most of the change you reference was done prior to WWII...sea level...temperature...and glacial melt.

 

[Impenitent]

If you are uncertain that the earth is warming, and you think that someone's messing with the temperature record, you only need look at the actual condition of the earth: the melting of land ice (glaciers) and the sea level rise, which are unexplainable in a cooling earth.

Ice? You mean things like the 29% INCREASE in Arctic ice last year?

A chilly Arctic summer has left 533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 29 per cent.

The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.

Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.....

And now it s global COOLING Return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 29 in a year Daily Mail Online

That changes annually, and now it's all gone. This is 2014, and it's already reached its minimum at the 6th lowest figure of record.

But land ice is far different from sea ice. Only land ice melt (Greenland and Glaciers) can change sea level - and you cannot deny they are melting, and threatening coastal cities around the world.

Can you explain what is different than the last 1000 years?

Yes, sea level was essentially constant for the last 2000 years, before it began a more rapid rise in the mid 1800's. Same thing for glacial melt.

Put 2 and 2 together.

Most of the change you reference was done prior to WWII...sea level...temperature...and glacial melt.

Not true at all about lea level. Here's a graph.

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You should check a few sources before you post.