200 nations Vs. 2

[Beelzebub]

Never.

 

[Jroc]

At this moment I thank God Almighty the good guys have the bigger guns while the bad guys keep trying to bite without teethes.
#LoveIsInTheAir

Iran is close to getting teeth..While Obama plays footsies with them

If Iran had teeth, it would only be for a nibble, while chunks would be bitten out of them.
No bad thing if someone attacking Iran has to worry about getting a few scratches back.

Iran: Seven more hanged as executions soar under Hassan Rouhani

Seven more prisoners have been hanged in public in Iran as executions continue to soar under Hassan Rouhani's rule.

More than 1,000 men, women and youths have now been put to death her the so-called 'moderate' leader who came to power 18 months ago.

On Wednesday, two men named as Ali M and Ali Q were hanged in public for 'mischief' in north-eastern city of Mashhad.

A group of five inmates were hanged in Gohardasht prison in city of Karaj. They were part of a group of nine that had been transferred to isolation on Tuesday. Four others they were returned to their cells after their execution had been delayed.

The two men were also hanged in the Ghasem Abbad district of the city of Mashhad at 9.30am local time today.

A video distributed on the internet this week shows the grief-stricken family members of eight executed prisoners mourning their loved-ones, whose bodies in black bags are lined up before them in a mortuary.

The video was secretly recorded on a mobile phone by an eyewitness who said a group of people are hanged secretly every Thursday in the city of Kerman.

The eyewitness said: "Many of the executions in this city are for possession of drugs offences. Usually these are young people who have grown up as orphans and due to poverty are now the sole breadwinner for their families."

Soaring human rights abuses in Iran, including an unprecedented rise in executions, the wave of state-organized acid attacks against women, and the continuing repression of religious and ethnic minorities, bloggers, reporters and activists are all taking place amid growing public discontent with the regime, but also in the absence of international action regarding the ongoing violation of human rights.

Iran Seven more hanged as executions soar under Hassan Rouhani

 

[Phoenall]

Israel doesn't want peace......and never did want peace in the region. .....

LINK ?

 

[Beelzebub]

Terrible!

But I would put Iranian state killings up against US state killings any day, and we know which would have the most.
How many has the US been directly responsible for killing in the last 15 years?

500,000? 1 million? More?

 

[Phoenall]

Israel U.S. attempting to prevent Geneva Convention summit on Palestinians - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News Haaretz

Israel and the United States are trying to dissuade the nearly 200 states that are party to the Fourth Geneva Convention from convening a special session in mid-December to address conditions in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem, Israeli and Western diplomats told Haaretz Wednesday.

200 nations want to talk about the issues, and try to solve them.
Israel and America are trying to stop it.

I wonder who the rogue states are.

Caught out in another LIE just by reading your link

Diplomats say Canada and Australia are also helping Israel exert pressure on Switzerland and other states to thwart confab on conditions in West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem.


So now it is 4 nations trying to dissuade and not prevent the special session, I wonder if this is to protect hamas and fatah from being charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity.

 

[Phoenall]

This was REALLY just channeling the US State Departments feelings on countries talking about Israel:

Sounds like a team Palestine member when the media show hamas using kids as human shields.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel doesn't want peace......and never did want peace in the region. .....

I have to strongly disagree.
Israel does want peace, but it also wants to steal land and murder innocents.

LINK from a non partisan source

 

[Phoenall]

By never declaring official borders Israel leaves open the future prospect of continued military expansion.

But a peace deal would force Israel to establish borders with it's neighbors.

Which is something Israel is not willing to do. .......

£ treaties in existence were Israel has made a peace deal and mutual borders, now who is it that refuses to talk peace and mutual borders without first demanding pre conditions

 

[Jroc]

Terrible!

But I would put Iranian state killings up against US state killings any day, and we know which would have the most.
How many has the US been directly responsible for killing in the last 15 years?

500,000? 1 million? More?

The U.S. is torturing and killing it's citizens...LOL

 

[Phoenall]

Terrible!

But I would put Iranian state killings up against US state killings any day, and we know which would have the most.
How many has the US been directly responsible for killing in the last 15 years?

500,000? 1 million? More?

Compare that with the rate of killings by islam and you see islam come out on top. Must be close to 20 million in the last 15 years or so.

 

[Beelzebub]

Well you are moving the goalposts now.

You say 'Islam' as if it is one great monolith. Do you mean the heads of state who kill for themselves or for the pay the the US offers?
Or the Islamic resistance movements, which fight the rulers, with weapons that US provides?
Or the warlords which use Islam as an excuse for their power bases?

And what has this to do with Iran? Comparing Iran and the US makes sense. You want to compare the US with a religion? You are deflecting of course.

As to your estimate of 20 mill: it sounds high, but only a fool is impressed by imaginary zeros. If you want to produce some real numbers we may have a discussion, but you should produce them for all sides, not just imagine them for one.

 

[Kondor3]

...I would put Iranian state killings up against US state killings any day, and we know which would have the most...

Incorrect, by the look of it...

In 2011...

Iran executed 360 persons... Capital punishment in Iran - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ...out of population of 77,000,000

The United States executed 43 persons... Capital punishment in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia ...out of a population of 319,000,000

Or, with a population one-quarter (24%) the population of the United States, the Iranians executed 8.4 times (840%) [ 360 / 43 ] as many criminals as the United States.

Never mind the various operative reasons WHY Iran executes its citizens...

Next slide, please.

 

[Beelzebub]

You are an arse Kondor.

Do you really think that makes up the whole of the numbers?
Now add in all the extrajudicial killings by the US, of innocent and guilty alike in drone strikes.
Add in the "preemptive" attacks by the US, which they may get away with, but had any non-US ally done them, they would be termed illegal.
Then add in all the illegal war killings by the US.
If you are keen, add in the resultant deaths through lawlessness, resistance, breakdown of central control and vying for leadership of the resultant messes.

And you can add in the same for all the Iranian invasions too.

Next troll, please.

 

[toastman]

By never declaring official borders Israel leaves open the future prospect of continued military expansion.

But a peace deal would force Israel to establish borders with it's neighbors.

Which is something Israel is not willing to do. .......

Still peddling the no borders lie Sunni Troll?

Israel has internationally recognized borders with Egypt and Jordan. Stop lying.

Israel and military expansion:

 

[toastman]

This was REALLY just channeling the US State Departments feelings on countries talking about Israel:

You're way behind:

 

[Beelzebub]

Thanks toasty.

Was she running for Congress?

 

[toastman]

Thanks toasty.

Was she running for Congress?

Not sure. You might want to ask her .

 

[Kondor3]

You are an arse Kondor...

I never initiate personal insults in my dealings with you, but, given your throwing of the first rock... blow it out your ass, Bubbles.

...Do you really think that makes up the whole of the numbers?...

The context at the moment was Capital Punishment. I responded in context.

Just because somebody came back with numbers that portray Islam (the Iranian flavor, anyway) in a less-than-favorable light...

State Killings refers primarily to Capital Punishment, in the Real World.

Casualties of war (declared or undeclared, conventional or unconventional) do not qualify as State Killings, within the domain of Rational Men.

In matters of Capital Punishment (State Killings), the Iranians make the Americans look like pikers and amateurs.

...Now add in all the extrajudicial killings by the US, of innocent and guilty alike in drone strikes...

Incorrect. These are casualties in assymetrical warfare operations.

...Add in the 'preemptive' attacks by the US, which they may get away with, but had any non-US ally done them, they would be termed illegal...

That is because we are now in the position which the UK occupied a century ago, when it, too, had found itself obliged to crush the head of the occasional infant viper, before it could grow into something more dangerous, and because, secretly, most of our allies are grateful for, even though they can no longer get away with it themselves, given their weakened state.

...Then add in all the illegal war killings by the US...

There are very few 'illegal' war killings committed by the US or any other power. Some wars, themselves, may, indeed, be perceived as 'illegal' in some quarters, but, until such time as definitive and jurisdictionally competent authority pronounces on such matters - something that seems to be lacking at present - even most 'wars' by the US are not 'illegal'.

...If you are keen, add in the resultant deaths through lawlessness, resistance, breakdown of central control and vying for leadership of the resultant messes...

Wars oftentimes create temporary vacuums which local scum rush in to fill.

Wars against Islamic countries usually create temporary vacuums which are eventually filled with the very worst kind of scum - Militant Islamists.

...And you can add in the same for all the Iranian invasions too...

Whatever for?

The last time the Ayatollahs of Iran fought a war, they instigated rebellion in Iraq, tried to assassinate Iraqi ministers, and then got stomped-on by the Iraqis - requiring eight yeas to fight the Iraqis to a standstill, and throwing scores of thousands of young Iranians over the top of the trenches in frontal infantry assaults against the Iraqis - World War I style.

It is clear that the Ayatollahs could not fight their way out of wet paper bag, and that very few in Iran, except the Revolutionary Guard, would follow the Ayatollahs like that again.

Iran now limits itself to proxy warfare in the Middle East.

Iran is not stuck playing the role of World Policeman, like the UK once did before they pissed-away their Empire, and like we're obliged to do now.

Apples and oranges.

Rather like comparing a Cop to a convicted and paroled Felon.

Pfffffffttttt...

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Gotta love this uber-critical talk coming out of the UK, given that you and Western Europe were crouched under the American Shield for a half-century while you rebuilt after WWII (most of the early-days funding for that coming from us, as well) and regained some modicum of strength once again.

If you want the World Policeman job back again, just let us know.

 

[Beelzebub]

Nonsense Kondor.

Britain protected the USA from German encroachment even before the USA knew it was going to go to war.
And we never get a "Thank you" for it!

The USA is no world policeman. It is just a crook with its fingers in every pie. Then saying: "Hey, I'm here to offer you protection. Now pay up!"

 

[Kondor3]

Nonsense Kondor...

No, it's not nonsense - it's simply in opposition to your own opinion on the subject. I have no illusions about convincing you of your error, rather, I post on behalf of the occasional reader who has not made-up his-or-her mind, in order to present strong refutation to your anti-Americanism and Militant Islamist support.

...Britain protected the USA from German encroachment even before the USA knew it was going to go to war...

Britain stupidly allowed the Nazi menace to grow from an easily-stoppable infancy, into a lethal monster that it could no longer control, mostly because it was too weak and too exhausted and too afraid, after bleeding itself white in WWI, even though it could have stopped the Nazi abomination at any time in the 1932-1938 time frame, on multiple occasions, when bravely enforcing Versailles and staring-down the fledgling dictator would have caused fascism to collapse in Germany, long before it ever reached the tipping point of 1939.

And then, finally, in 1939, when Britain finally figured-out that (a) The Beast would not be satisfied until he had consumed Poland (and beyond) and (b) The Beast could no longer be stopped except by War, it stupidly declared war and initiated hostilities, without doing one single thing that effectively helped Poland - almost entirely unprepared and un-manned - and then stupidly getting itself into strategic and tactical situations that made its situation even more desperate, so that you were obliged to subordinate yourselves to America.

...And we never get a "Thank you" for it!...

Incorrect. Your contributions were (and continue to be) recognized and valued and remembered. You did good work and were instrumental in helping to defeat The Beast.

But it is also akin to us being obliged (and justified) to say:

"Thank you, for your wonderful contributions and sacrifice and dedication and loyalty and steadfastness and ingenuity, in helping us to save your sorry asses, as much as our own, after you so stupidly allowed that Monster to grow in your midst in the first place and failing to stop him at any of various points along the way while you still could."

...The USA is no world policeman. It is just a crook with its fingers in every pie. Then saying: "Hey, I'm here to offer you protection. Now pay up!"

Untrue, but, an understandable and permissible gambit, from The Land of the Thrown-Away World Empire - the one that you're never going to get back, I'm afraid.

Perhaps the next time that a strong-man threatens Europe - and Vladimir Putin comes to mind, over the next few years - perhaps we should sit this one out, and let you characters in Europe sort it out. I mean, after all, you've been soooooo successful at sorting things out in the past, right?