2 guys, 2bats, one woman with a gun...guess who won?

[Hossfly]

The US has a higher violent crime rate than nearly any other first world nation, including all those countries that "ban" guns.

So if that many crimes are being "stopped" by guns, the true violent crime rate here must be staggeringly astronomical compare to all those countries where guns are banned.

I take it you think the 2d Amendment is bad for the country. Or not?

 

[2aguy]

Yes..they prove it is true in the first part only to say at the end that despite what they just proved to be true...they call it false...a liberal site through and through...as I pointed out...

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

Aww...not as high they say...but still there...typical libs...

 

[2aguy]

From your quote...

Our preliminary attempt to make an apples-to-apples comparison shows a much smaller difference in violent crime rates between the two countries

again...there is a difference...which they acknowledge...and the British rate is higher...which they acknowledge...and then they weasel out of their own findings and then just lie...typical libs...

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The US has a higher violent crime rate than nearly any other first world nation, including all those countries that "ban" guns.

So if that many crimes are being "stopped" by guns, the true violent crime rate here must be staggeringly astronomical compare to all those countries where guns are banned.

I take it you think the 2d Amendment is bad for the country. Or not?

Not.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

From your quote...

Our preliminary attempt to make an apples-to-apples comparison shows a much smaller difference in violent crime rates between the two countries

again...there is a difference...which they acknowledge...and the British rate is higher...which they acknowledge...and then they weasel out of their own findings and then just lie...typical libs...

Yes.

If you clip off the part of the quote where they disagree with you, it does look like they are agreeing with you.

 

[2aguy]

Hmmm...thanks Doc...I didn't know about that one....an honest to goodness mass shooting post gun buy back...well... After the other two...in Australia...

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Hmmm...thanks Doc...I didn't know about that one....an honest to goodness mass shooting post gun buy back...well... After the other two...in Australia...

There's a "mass shooting" with the same number of casualties as the Hectorville siege every month or so in the US.

 

[2aguy]

If you clip off the part of the quote where they disagree with you, it does look like they are agreeing with you.

so...they say there is a difference...they say it is smaller...but still there...which says the British crime rate is higher than ours...and then at the very end they say.."yeah..but some criminologists disagree" and then they say the claim is false...and I'm in the wrong? Nice technique when the stats don't live up to what you want...just lie...

 

[2aguy]

that isn't the issue...they claim it never happens because of their gun laws...we point out that having guns in a society means you can't stop the killers...except at the point of the criminal act...they are wrong we are right...they are just lucky that fewer people have decided to do it...and if they do start...no one will be able to stop them till the police arrive...with guns...

that was the problem with the two worst mass shootings in history, Norway and South Korea...no one was able,to stop the killers,till the armed police arrived...if mass shootings get a following in Australia....I hope their police drive fast...

 

[theDoctorisIn]

that isn't the issue...they claim it never happens because of their gun laws...we point out that having guns in a society means you can't stop the killers...except at the point of the criminal act...they are wrong we are right...they are just lucky that fewer people have decided to do it...and if they do start...no one will be able to stop them till the police arrive...with guns...

that was the problem with the two worst mass shootings in history, Norway and South Korea...no one was able,to stop the killers,till the armed police arrived...if mass shootings get a following in Australia....I hope their police drive fast...

So, you're saying the quantifiable drop in murder and mass-murder rates in Australia post gun ban is due to "luck"?


No one is claiming that it "never" happens (except perhaps Noomi) - but it certainly happens a lot less than it did pre-ban, and a lot less than it does here.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I

The US has a higher violent crime rate than nearly any other first world nation, including all those countries that "ban" guns.

So if that many crimes are being "stopped" by guns, the true violent crime rate here must be staggeringly astronomical compare to all those countries where guns are banned.

I take it you think the 2d Amendment is bad for the country. Or not?

The fact that I don't swallow bullshit whole doesn't mean that I want to "ban" guns.

 

[Hossfly]

Try this...it is even from a liberal site...

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does PolitiFact

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

Keep in mind...this is a liberal anti gun site so by the end...even though they point out the crime rate is still higher in Britain...they say the claim is false...just par for the course for liberals...

If you clip off the part of the quote where they disagree with you, it does look like they are agreeing with you.

so...they say there is a difference...they say it is smaller...but still there...which says the British crime rate is higher than ours...and then at the very end they say.."yeah..but some criminologists disagree" and then they say the claim is false...and I'm in the wrong? Nice technique when the stats don't live up to what you want...just lie...

Here's a pretty fair stat from the Crime Prevention Research Center.

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[Hossfly]

I

The US has a higher violent crime rate than nearly any other first world nation, including all those countries that "ban" guns.

So if that many crimes are being "stopped" by guns, the true violent crime rate here must be staggeringly astronomical compare to all those countries where guns are banned.

I take it you think the 2d Amendment is bad for the country. Or not?

The fact that I don't swallow bullshit whole doesn't mean that I want to "ban" guns.

Well, I was just thinking what Der Fuerher Obamadhi would do if we had the gun control he wants. I'm old enough to remember what happened when Hitler collected all the guns.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I

The US has a higher violent crime rate than nearly any other first world nation, including all those countries that "ban" guns.

So if that many crimes are being "stopped" by guns, the true violent crime rate here must be staggeringly astronomical compare to all those countries where guns are banned.

I take it you think the 2d Amendment is bad for the country. Or not?

The fact that I don't swallow bullshit whole doesn't mean that I want to "ban" guns.

Well, I was just thinking what Der Fuerher Obamadhi would do if we had the gun control he wants. I'm old enough to remember what happened when Hitler collected all the guns.

1. How much gun control do you think Obama "wants", and how did you come to that conclusion?
2. Are you sure you "remember" Hitler "collecting all the guns"? Because he never did that.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The US has a higher violent crime rate than nearly any other first world nation, including all those countries that "ban" guns.

So if that many crimes are being "stopped" by guns, the true violent crime rate here must be staggeringly astronomical compare to all those countries where guns are banned.

Stop the mexican and black crime and we'd be the safest country in the world.
And thats no bullshit.....

 

[2aguy]

So, you're saying the quantifiable drop in murder and mass-murder rates in Australia post gun ban is due to "luck"?

The murder rate actually dropped more here in the states, by a little, and we didn't ban guns...in fact, more people own guns and now more people carry them and our violent crime rate has gone down as well...

so yes...they have been lucky, I would say their violence rate,is around where we were in the late,1950s early 1960s...when and if their crime rate spikes, as ours did in the 70s...it will be interesting to see how they deal with it...

Right now...Australian gun crime is confined to "bikey" gangs and recent immigrants...if they are lucky it won't spread...but I wouldn't bet on that...

 

[2aguy]

1. How much gun control do you think Obama "wants", and how did you come to that conclusion?

If he could, he would ban all private ownership of guns...he is a hardcore leftist...and told John Lott that he didn't believe people should own guns...

 

[2aguy]

Here is something on Australian gun crime...from 21, August 2013

New plan unveiled to tackle out-of-control gun violence Ballina Shire Advocate

Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione
COMBATING gun crime in NSW remains the top priority of the state's police force, senior officers announced on Wednesday.

In the past 12 months, more than 9000 guns have been taken off NSW streets and 3352 people have been charged as part of ongoing investigations by Strike Force Raptor and Operations Apollo and Spartan.

Unveiling a new plan to tackle out-of-control gun violence in Sydney on Wednesday, NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione said all three strike forces had been brought together to form Operation Talon.

"There is no single source of gun crime violence...guns have fallen into the hands of organised crime, outlaw motorcycle gangs, mid-level crime groups and petty thieves and the lines are often blurred," Mr Scipione said

"That's why it is so important to focus on all these aspects in a unified way...pulling our resources together under the one banner we have that opportunity."

Amd more on the issue...

Is Australia staring down the barrel of a gun crisis

THERE is a gun battle going on in Australia. As bikie gang members and drug dealers gun each other down on a regular basis, sending fear through the community, authorities seem to be fighting a losing battle to keep firearms out of their hands.

Without scaremongering, here are the facts:

* There have been 39 people shot in Sydney this year, most related to an ongoing bikie war.

* Conservative estimates say there are more than a quarter-of-a-million illegal firearms in Australia.

* Gun ownership in Australia is back at pre-Port Arthur massacre levels.

* Carrying a gun is becoming more common and ingrained in outlaw culture.

* Gun amnesties barely put a dent in the number of weapons.

* Innocent people are being caught up in gun battles.

* There has been a steady increase in gun-related crimes over the past seven years.

so yeah...they have been lucky and they are going to catch up...

and some reality about mass murder...

Gun Control and Mass Murders National Review Online

But surely this was an aberration. Because America has the most guns, multiple-victim public shootings are an American thing, right? No, not at all. Contrary to public perception, Western Europe, most of whose countries have much tougher gun laws than the United States, has experienced many of the worst multiple-victim public shootings. Particularly telling, all the multiple-victim public shootings inWestern Europe have occurred in places where civilians are not permitted to carry guns. The same is true in the United States: All the public shootings in which more than three people have been killed have occurred in places where civilians may not legally bring guns.


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Look at recent history. Where have the worst K–12 school shootings occurred? Nearly all of them in Europe. The very worst one occurred in a high school inErfurt, Germany, in 2002, where 18 were killed. The second-worst took place in Dunblane, Scotland, in 1996, where 16 kindergartners and their teacher were killed. The third-worst, with 15 dead, happened in Winnenden,Germany. The fourth-worst was in theU.S. — Columbine High School in 1999, leaving 13 dead. The fifth-worst, with eleven murdered, occurred in Emsdetten, Germany.

so, Norway, South Korea...these other countries...when the crazies start shooting...and they do...there is no one there to stop them...until the police arrive...too late to stop the carnage...

 

[Hossfly]

I

The US has a higher violent crime rate than nearly any other first world nation, including all those countries that "ban" guns.

So if that many crimes are being "stopped" by guns, the true violent crime rate here must be staggeringly astronomical compare to all those countries where guns are banned.

I take it you think the 2d Amendment is bad for the country. Or not?

The fact that I don't swallow bullshit whole doesn't mean that I want to "ban" guns.

Well, I was just thinking what Der Fuerher Obamadhi would do if we had the gun control he wants. I'm old enough to remember what happened when Hitler collected all the guns.

1. How much gun control do you think Obama "wants", and how did you come to that conclusion?
2. Are you sure you "remember" Hitler "collecting all the guns"? Because he never did that.

First, Captain Knowledge, Hitler made gun owners join "Gun Clubs" and all privately owned firearms were stored at those Clubs which were controlled by the Nazi party. My in-laws and relatives lost all their guns with that little trick. That's How To Become A Dictator 101 works. Secondly, Obama wants to void gun ownership in America and let the UN be in charge. He's already signed agreements with the UN. It might help if people would watch and read the news instead of drooling over American Idol and WWF.

 

[2aguy]

Here is the book on German gun control...which began in reaction to the socialist gangs and their violence...the Weimar Republic wanted "common sense" gun control to stop violence...it worked out because Germans complied, and later...the nazis used those laws to commit their killings...

Amazon.com Gun Control in the Third Reich Disarming the Jews and Enemies of the State 9781598131628 Stephen P. Halbrook Books

Here is the author giving a talk about his book...

Stephen Halbrook Part 2 of 2 Live from The Independent Institute kcriss on USTREAM. Other Education