CDZ Zuckerberg Calls for a Universal Basic Income

[jon_berzerk]

it is not equality at all

it is the basic income folks can operate on

if they want to advance themselves

then take on a job

the cutoff i have seen before the 13 grand drops off

is around 35 grand a year

the rich don't need it. why "force" it on anyone who doesn't need it?

what

force --LOL

they get cut off

btw 35 grand is hardly rich

A federal program? We already have unemployment compensation for anyone unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. We only need, equal protection of the law.

not sure what you are trying to say

He's saying he wants UE benefits even if he quits or never works.

well that would be a thing of the past

see that is why the welfare folks are not going to want this

 

[danielpalos]

Why that much emphasis on equality over need?

it is not equality at all

it is the basic income folks can operate on

if they want to advance themselves

then take on a job

the cutoff i have seen before the 13 grand drops off

is around 35 grand a year

the rich don't need it. why "force" it on anyone who doesn't need it?

what

force --LOL

they get cut off

btw 35 grand is hardly rich

A federal program? We already have unemployment compensation for anyone unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. We only need, equal protection of the law.

not sure what you are trying to say

I want, equal protection of the law for the poor, regardless of capital worth.

 

[danielpalos]

Has anyone seen a report or analysis on who gets what? As in numbers? Will every social safety net program be axed? Show me the money, where does it come from. How many of our 320 or so million Americans will get it? Illegals too? If we exclude the top 2%, great but that leaves about 313 million people to cover and that is a lot of money.

To me this feels like another pie in the sky progressive liberal idea with no rational basis for how to pay for it. Just like Universal HealthCare, I cannot support a program that puts a large additional debt on future generations. We ought to be paying for what we do and we're not doing it.

Last thing about UBI, it pretty much removes the incentive to work for too many people. Moving towards a system where the gov't takes care of you instead of you being responsible for yourself is not a good idea IMHO, even if it was fiscally possible. Which it isn't as far as I can tell.

End the drug war.

 

[danielpalos]

the rich don't need it. why "force" it on anyone who doesn't need it?

what

force --LOL

they get cut off

btw 35 grand is hardly rich

A federal program? We already have unemployment compensation for anyone unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. We only need, equal protection of the law.

not sure what you are trying to say

He's saying he wants UE benefits even if he quits or never works.

well that would be a thing of the past

see that is why the welfare folks are not going to want this

Unemployment benefits can solve simple poverty on an at-will basis in our several at-will employment States.

What is being advocated, is a new federal program; that could be an extension of the earned income credit.

 

[Weatherman2020]

This idea is gaining steam from people familiar with the coming Robotics Revolution.

For the sake of social stability we need to implement a UBI.

Mark Zuckerberg joins Silicon Valley bigwigs in calling for government to give everybody free money

"Every generation expands its definition of equality. Now it's time for our generation to define a new social contract," Zuckerberg said during his speech. "We should have a society that measures progress not by economic metrics like GDP but by how many of us have a role we find meaningful. We should explore ideas like universal basic income to make sure everyone has a cushion to try new ideas."


Zuckerberg said that, because he knew he had a safety net if projects like Facebook had failed, he was confident enough to continue on without fear of failing. Others, he said, such as children who need to support households instead of poking away on computers learning how to code, don't have the foundation Zuckerberg had. Universal basic income would provide that sort of cushion, Zuckerberg argued.​

For a guy who hoards a heck of a lot of money from us 99%ers I don't think he has a lot of credibility on the topic.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Remember John Lennon's Imagine song?
Ever see him surrender his wealth and comfort?

 

[irosie91]

it is not equality at all

it is the basic income folks can operate on

if they want to advance themselves

then take on a job

the cutoff i have seen before the 13 grand drops off

is around 35 grand a year

the rich don't need it. why "force" it on anyone who doesn't need it?

what

force --LOL

they get cut off

btw 35 grand is hardly rich

A federal program? We already have unemployment compensation for anyone unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. We only need, equal protection of the law.

not sure what you are trying to say

I want, equal protection of the law for the poor, regardless of capital worth.

so do I----but don't hold your breath-----so far it has not happened in any society

 

[danielpalos]

the rich don't need it. why "force" it on anyone who doesn't need it?

what

force --LOL

they get cut off

btw 35 grand is hardly rich

A federal program? We already have unemployment compensation for anyone unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States. We only need, equal protection of the law.

not sure what you are trying to say

I want, equal protection of the law for the poor, regardless of capital worth.

so do I----but don't hold your breath-----so far it has not happened in any society

We have the best Constitution in the Whole and Entire World. We should take the initiative.

 

[JimBowie1958]

For a guy who hoards a heck of a lot of money from us 99%ers I don't think he has a lot of credibility on the topic.

Well as a leader int he computer industry he is aware of the things in development, and Mr Gates is forward thinking if nothing else, as he demonstrated by his marketing techniques with DOS and Windows.

BTW, this is not socialism, it is simply a large scale guaranteed basic income.

Everyone will keep what wealth they have managed to save, no confiscation.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Robot farmers have successfully planted and harvested barley by themselves

Over the past few years, farms have deployed emerging technologies like drones and autonomous driving systems to make the farmers’ job even less strenuous — but human hands were still needed throughout the process.

Now, researchers at Harper Adams University and agricultural company Precision Decisions have removed humans from the farm entirely in a project called Hands Free Hectare. From planting to tending and harvesting, no human stepped foot on the acre and a half barley farm in rural England. It was all done by robot farmers.

“There’s been a focus in recent years on making farming more precise, but the larger machines that we’re using are not compatible with this method of working,” Jonathan Gill, one of the researchers involved in the project, said in a statement. “They’re also so heavy that they’re damaging farmers’ soils. If combines in the future were similar to the size of the combine we used in this project, which was a little ‘Sampo combine’ with a header unit of only two meters, it would allow more precise yield maps to be created. They would also be much lighter machines.”

 

[irosie91]

For a guy who hoards a heck of a lot of money from us 99%ers I don't think he has a lot of credibility on the topic.

Well as a leader int he computer industry he is aware of the things in development, and Mr Gates is forward thinking if nothing else, as he demonstrated by his marketing techniques with DOS and Windows.

BTW, this is not socialism, it is simply a large scale guaranteed basic income.

Everyone will keep what wealth they have managed to save, no confiscation.

it is DEFINITELY socialism------but then-----so is taxes-------and free public water fountains in the park

 

[Weatherman2020]

For a guy who hoards a heck of a lot of money from us 99%ers I don't think he has a lot of credibility on the topic.

Well as a leader int he computer industry he is aware of the things in development, and Mr Gates is forward thinking if nothing else, as he demonstrated by his marketing techniques with DOS and Windows.

BTW, this is not socialism, it is simply a large scale guaranteed basic income.

Everyone will keep what wealth they have managed to save, no confiscation.

Him and Gates are lucky crackpots who had to invest or risk little to gain their wealth. There are ten million just like him but they were either late or had poor marketing.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Him and Gates are lucky crackpots who had to invest or risk little to gain their wealth. There are ten million just like him but they were either late or had poor marketing.

Yes, that is what I said, Gates did great marketing

 

[usmbguest5318]

• Universal Income What Is It, and Is It Right for the U.S.?
• Universal Basic Income versus Unemployment Insurance
  
• The Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend: A Case Study in Implementation of a Basic Income Guarantee

 

[danielpalos]

I go with Unemployment Insurance and equal protection of the law. A general tax on Firms would be easier to maintain than our current regime. Unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed in our at-will employment States would be less expensive to monitor, than what we have now.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

This idea is gaining steam from people familiar with the coming Robotics Revolution.

For the sake of social stability we need to implement a UBI.

Mark Zuckerberg joins Silicon Valley bigwigs in calling for government to give everybody free money

"Every generation expands its definition of equality. Now it's time for our generation to define a new social contract," Zuckerberg said during his speech. "We should have a society that measures progress not by economic metrics like GDP but by how many of us have a role we find meaningful. We should explore ideas like universal basic income to make sure everyone has a cushion to try new ideas."


Zuckerberg said that, because he knew he had a safety net if projects like Facebook had failed, he was confident enough to continue on without fear of failing. Others, he said, such as children who need to support households instead of poking away on computers learning how to code, don't have the foundation Zuckerberg had. Universal basic income would provide that sort of cushion, Zuckerberg argued.​

Just as soon as he himself donates all of his personal assets to "the people"...and agrees to take no more than the UBI - I will support him.
So...I don't support him.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

It's called elitism.
Of course the super wealthy are for this. They always are. Of course, as long as they themselves get to keep everything and have an unlimited income.
Then the path to the have's and have nots is complete.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Just as soon as he himself donates all of his personal assets to "the people"...and agrees to take no more than the UBI - I will support him.
So...I don't support him.

Not sure why people seem to continue to link the UBI with means based qualification.

there is no linkage; the UBI is not a welfare program.

 

[danielpalos]

Just as soon as he himself donates all of his personal assets to "the people"...and agrees to take no more than the UBI - I will support him.
So...I don't support him.

Not sure why people seem to continue to link the UBI with means based qualification.

there is no linkage; the UBI is not a welfare program.

a tax credit?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Just as soon as he himself donates all of his personal assets to "the people"...and agrees to take no more than the UBI - I will support him.
So...I don't support him.

Not sure why people seem to continue to link the UBI with means based qualification.

there is no linkage; the UBI is not a welfare program.

But then your own link says it replaces welfare?