Zohran Mamdani’s plan to tax the “rich” and paying your fair share

[johnwk]

Zohran Mamdani certainly promotes taxing the "rich" more than others to finance NYC's government, see What are Mamdani’s plans to tax the rich?


The question is, does Mamdani also support compelling able bodied NYC residents who do not contribute to the support of government, to start contributing their fair share?


Keep in mind there was a time in America when when even the unemployed were expected and required to contribute their fair share in meeting the expenses of government. A wonderful example of this principle is exhibited in the public laws of Maryland’s Dorchester County, under which all able bodied residents of the county above twenty and under fifty years of age were “compelled to labor two days at least in every year in repairing the roads of said county, with the privilege, however, of furnishing a substitute or paying to the road supervisors seventy-five cents for each day such person may be summoned to labor, the money thus paid to be expended in repairing the roads.”

And the law went on to indicate that “anyone neglecting or refusing to perform such labor, or to provide a substitute, or to pay seventy-five cents per day for each and every day he may be summoned to work, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon trial and conviction before a Justice of the Peace, shall be fined seventy-five cents for each day`s delinquency and costs, and shall stand committed until the fine and costs are paid.”___ SEE SHORT vs. STATE OF MARYLAND, decided February 27th, 1895, upholding the law and not violating (a) the 13th or 14th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, or (b) the 40th section of Art. 3 of the Constitution of Maryland.

And yet, here we are today with countless factions seeking to manipulate taxation so as to relieve their identifiable group from its burden, while creating various other groups upon who the burden is placed. And it is well worth to note that in many instances, those who do not share in financing the government are actually rewarded and allowed to feed from the public trough.

How sad and discouraging it is to hear the cries and well rehearsed arguments and excuses of those like Zohran Mamdani who today support and promote such tyranny. A tyranny under which the force of government is used to transfer the property of one group of citizens to another, which is carried out under the cloak of taxation. But keep in mind, there is no magic wand in the use of government force which changes the definition of theft!

 

[1srelluc]

NYC....When deserves has everything to do with it.

 

[Etymology gaslight]

Zohran Mamdani certainly promotes taxing the "rich" more than others to finance NYC's government, see What are Mamdani’s plans to tax the rich?


The question is, does Mamdani also support compelling able bodied NYC residents who do not contribute to the support of government, to start contributing their fair share?


Keep in mind there was a time in America when when even the unemployed were expected and required to contribute their fair share in meeting the expenses of government. A wonderful example of this principle is exhibited in the public laws of Maryland’s Dorchester County, under which all able bodied residents of the county above twenty and under fifty years of age were “compelled to labor two days at least in every year in repairing the roads of said county, with the privilege, however, of furnishing a substitute or paying to the road supervisors seventy-five cents for each day such person may be summoned to labor, the money thus paid to be expended in repairing the roads.”

And the law went on to indicate that “anyone neglecting or refusing to perform such labor, or to provide a substitute, or to pay seventy-five cents per day for each and every day he may be summoned to work, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon trial and conviction before a Justice of the Peace, shall be fined seventy-five cents for each day`s delinquency and costs, and shall stand committed until the fine and costs are paid.”___ SEE SHORT vs. STATE OF MARYLAND, decided February 27th, 1895, upholding the law and not violating (a) the 13th or 14th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, or (b) the 40th section of Art. 3 of the Constitution of Maryland.

And yet, here we are today with countless factions seeking to manipulate taxation so as to relieve their identifiable group from its burden, while creating various other groups upon who the burden is placed. And it is well worth to note that in many instances, those who do not share in financing the government are actually rewarded and allowed to feed from the public trough.

How sad and discouraging it is to hear the cries and well rehearsed arguments and excuses of those like Zohran Mamdani who today support and promote such tyranny. A tyranny under which the force of government is used to transfer the property of one group of citizens to another, which is carried out under the cloak of taxation. But keep in mind, there is no magic wand in the use of government force which changes the definition of theft!

"Your fair share"
Atlas shrugged today in the former New York City
Great thread

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

Zohran Mamdani certainly promotes taxing the "rich" more than others to finance NYC's government, see What are Mamdani’s plans to tax the rich?


The question is, does Mamdani also support compelling able bodied NYC residents who do not contribute to the support of government, to start contributing their fair share?


Keep in mind there was a time in America when when even the unemployed were expected and required to contribute their fair share in meeting the expenses of government. A wonderful example of this principle is exhibited in the public laws of Maryland’s Dorchester County, under which all able bodied residents of the county above twenty and under fifty years of age were “compelled to labor two days at least in every year in repairing the roads of said county, with the privilege, however, of furnishing a substitute or paying to the road supervisors seventy-five cents for each day such person may be summoned to labor, the money thus paid to be expended in repairing the roads.”

And the law went on to indicate that “anyone neglecting or refusing to perform such labor, or to provide a substitute, or to pay seventy-five cents per day for each and every day he may be summoned to work, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon trial and conviction before a Justice of the Peace, shall be fined seventy-five cents for each day`s delinquency and costs, and shall stand committed until the fine and costs are paid.”___ SEE SHORT vs. STATE OF MARYLAND, decided February 27th, 1895, upholding the law and not violating (a) the 13th or 14th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, or (b) the 40th section of Art. 3 of the Constitution of Maryland.

And yet, here we are today with countless factions seeking to manipulate taxation so as to relieve their identifiable group from its burden, while creating various other groups upon who the burden is placed. And it is well worth to note that in many instances, those who do not share in financing the government are actually rewarded and allowed to feed from the public trough.

How sad and discouraging it is to hear the cries and well rehearsed arguments and excuses of those like Zohran Mamdani who today support and promote such tyranny. A tyranny under which the force of government is used to transfer the property of one group of citizens to another, which is carried out under the cloak of taxation. But keep in mind, there is no magic wand in the use of government force which changes the definition of theft!

Elite wealth has been Benefiting for a long time.

We are at a point in society, where we can effectively determine our own future outcomes as a country. Elite wealth can still hold their elite wealth, just not to such a continued escalating standard. Let me offer you this....let's say AI takes over jobs, many many jobs, and the CEO and co benefit from it finanically. They are able to get more customers, lay off more staff, and pay staff less because the work is more easily automated. That is less money that people can spend into the economy, less jobs that people can get full time work in (and therefore good healthcare). What did the people at the top of those companies do to earn that? AI earned that, but they reap the benefits. And this has sort of being going on for a while now in things other than AI.

What you guys don't seem to realize is that you are not only in a position where you do at least need to make sure the next generation has opportunities to succeed, but you are in competition with other countries. Trump has already done tremendous damage to the US long term position as a superpower. He has disrespected Europe, hurt the fabric of democracy in America, and has put at risk America's future in it's position of world politics, because he has shown Europe that the US cannot be trusted.

In terms of competition, putting everything on the average citizen is a terribly play. You have to set your citizens up for success. That is what has always been known, and in recent history, that has been the goal. Having things like subsidized daycare for children will improve long term outcomes mostly for those children. Having a kid be well fed and well slept for school will improve long term outcomes. As a country, you generally look at it from this kind of overview. Personal responsibility is encouraged, but even more important than personal responsibility, is been given an environment to succeed in. Republicans to me, seem to have no desire to prep for and give an environment for people to succeed in.

 

[Silent Warrior]

Elite wealth has been Benefiting for a long time.

We are a point in society, where we can effectively determine our own future outcomes as a country. Elite wealth can still hold their elite wealth, just not to such a continued escalating standard. Let me offer you this....let's say AI takes over jobs, many many jobs, and the CEO and co benefit from it finanically. They are able to get more customers, lay off more staff, and pay staff less because the work is more easily automated. That is less money that people can spend into the economy, less jobs that people can get full time work in (and therefore good healthcare). What did the people at the top of those companies do to earn that? AI earned that, but they reap the benefits. And this has sort of being going on for a while now in things other than AI.

What you guys don't seem to realize is that you are not only in a position where you do at least need to make sure the next generation has opportunities to succeed, but you are in competition with other countries. Trump has already done tremendous damage to the US long term position as a superpower. He has disrespected Europe, hurt the fabric of democracy in America, and has put at risk America's future in it's position of world politics, because he has shown Europe that the US cannot be trusted.

In terms of competition, putting everything on the average citizen is a terribly play. You have to set your citizens up for success. That is what has always been known, and in recent history, that has been the goal. Having things like subsidized daycare for children will improve long term outcomes mostly for those children. Having a kid be well fed and well slept for school will improve long term outcomes. As a country, you generally look at it from this kind of overview. Personal responsibility is encouraged, but even more important than personal responsibility, is been given an environment to succeed in. Republicans to me, seem to have no desire to prep for and give an environment for people to succeed in.

Your understanding of economics is really lacking. In your very first paragraph you talk about AI taking jobs so CEO and company can benefit by getting more customers. You ignore the fact that customers disappear when no one has money to buy products because they don't have a job. Simplistic reforms to complex problems never work and only seem reasonable to those who envy those better off then they. You remind me of the people that rationalize that an island populated by only cats and rats would be successful because the cats would hunt the rats for food and the rats would eat dead cats.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

Your understanding of economics is really lacking. In your very first paragraph you talk about AI taking jobs so CEO and company can benefit by getting more customers. You ignore the fact that customers disappear when no one has money to buy products because they don't have a job. Simplistic reforms to complex problems never work and only seem reasonable to those who envy those better off then they. You remind me of the people that rationalize that an island populated by only cats and rats would be successful because the cats would hunt the rats for food and the rats would eat dead cats.

It was an example. I also said it's an example of something that has already been happening. These are not extremist things. A respectable form of universal healthcare, the desire for children to be well fed and raised in households that are not so poverty stricken.
My understanding of economics is not nearly as lacking as most people, and you completely missed the point of my post.

 

[Silent Warrior]

It was an example. I also said it's an example of something that has already been happening. These are not extremist things. A respectable form of universal healthcare, the desire for children to be well fed and raised in households that are not so poverty stricken.
My understanding of economics is not nearly as lacking as most people, and you completely missed the point of my post.

Actually, it was you who, understandably, missed the point of my post. However, from your response, I can see it would be a waste of time debating economics with you when you continue to yearn for that utopia in which no one has to pay, but has their every need fulfilled.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

Actually, it was you who, understandably, missed the point of my post. However, from your response, I can see it would be a waste of time debating economics with you when you continue to yearn for that utopia in which no one has to pay, but has their every need fulfilled.

What do you mean? Other countries have implemented the 'utopia' I speak off, and they aren't nearly as wealthy as the US?
Do you know why the US is wealthier than first world European countries in the first place? Instead, how many days per year do you get annual leave compared to the Europe average? And most of the European countries have universal healthcare? What do you think the reason is that you don't have those things, but Europe does? Is it lazy people in the US causing you to have less annual leave? Maybe if you give elite wealth more tax cuts then the annual leave will trickle down?

'But has their every need fulfilled'. Do you think that being a kid and having lunch at school is a utopia? Do you think that having a safety net in at least some baseline healthcare is a utopia? What if you get some kind of illness or condition that prevents you from being able to do your job, or if someone you care about gets that same thing, do you then think that's a utopia where you are able to still live somewhat of a life through medical care that is subsidized since you can't work anymore? What if you get made redundant, lose your healthcare, and then get some debilating illness? Just bad luck? But maybe if you lost your job, you would get your own healthcare insurance (COBRA?)? And if so, how much do you think that would cost you per month while you are unemployed?

Since you know so much about economics, what do you think controls that scenario of AI massively taking jobs? Do you think there will even be any kind of negative period that occurs for the working population? Do you think that this could result in even more of a wealth squeeze?

 

[leftwinger]

//* This is all the Comme Muslim can come up with? He is just another DEMican Obiden clown. *//

he has proposed creating an additional tax bracket for New York City residents with income over $1 million, which would be taxed at 5.9%.

In addition to increasing income taxes, Mamdani has proposed raising the state’s highest corporate tax rate from 7.25% to 11.5%.