Zelenskyy is to blame for the Russia-Ukraine war

[BackAgain]

A peace deal could be had if Ukraine is willing to give land in return for peace. Will Zelenskyy take it? Does he want peace or not?

---Trump suggests Zelenskyy is to blame for the Russia-Ukraine war---​

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/17/trump-zelenskyy-biden-russia-ukraine-war-blame-00184173

Because … he ordered Putin to invade Ukraine?

Your logic is absolutely lacking.

 

[Seymour Flops]

So many fascist Putinsuckers here, all stone-cold traitors to the USA.

They see Russia as a white-supremacist Christofascist utopia, and they want that hellish system for the USA.

Meanwhile, the normal people point out that the nation that invaded the other nation is the bad guy, and that to reward the bad guy is to invite more invasions.

Yes, Russia is the bad guy. First, the Democrats let him invade the Crimea, then the Democrats let him invade Ukraine.

Two questions you should ask yourself:

One. Why are we so geeked up to get the Ruskies out of Ukraine when we never lifted a finger to get them out of the Crimea?

Two. Suppose we were to decide that the most important thing in the world is getting the Russians out of Ukraine. How would we go about doing that, exactly exactly?

 

[mamooth]

One. Why are we so geeked up to get the Ruskies out of Ukraine when we never lifted a finger to get them out of the Crimea?

Because Crimea was majority Russian.

Two. Suppose we were to decide that the most important thing in the world is getting the Russians out of Ukraine. How would we go about doing that, exactly exactly?

Supporting Ukraine with more weapons, pressuring Russia more economically. The west is much richer, and with support, Ukraine can outlast Russia.

Why did you think those were difficult questions?

What's your overall point here?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Because Crimea was majority Russian.

Like Hitler invaded Poland to rescue all the Germans in Poland!

Supporting Ukraine with more weapons, pressuring Russia more economically. The west is much richer, and with support, Ukraine can outlast Russia.

You must be very pleased that Trump was elected and Europeans will buy oil from the IS instead of Russia then?

Why did you think those were difficult questions?

What's your overall point here?

The difficulty was in answering in a way that US interest is not sacrificed for European interests.

 

[mamooth]

Like Hitler invaded Poland to rescue all the Germans in Poland!

But Crimea really is mostly Russian. Facts matter. It was a historical accident that it got tacked on to Ukraine.

You must be very pleased that Trump was elected and Europeans will buy oil from the IS instead of Russia then?

Huh?

The difficulty was in answering in a way that US interest is not sacrificed for European interests.

So the USA shouldn't have entered WW2?

European interests are US interests.

 

[Seymour Flops]

But Crimea really is mostly Russian. Facts matter. It was a historical accident that it got tacked on to Ukraine.

You don’t get to invade a country because a large part of its population shares your language.

Can England invade the US.

Huh?

Read. More.

So the USA shouldn't have entered WW2?

European interests are US interests.

Hell no.

 

[sartre play]

Are you Russian?

NO he is not.

 

[whitehall]

Zelensky is a crooked little toad who heads a crooked little country and he knew he could rely on a mentally impaired American president for aid if the shit hit the fan.

 

[georgephillip]

Zelensky is a crooked little toad who heads a crooked little country and he knew he could rely on a mentally impaired American president for aid if the shit hit the fan.

We should also remember Biden's support for the Ukrainian Nazis who spearheaded the violent demonstrations in 2014 that drove a duly elected president from office and instigated a civil war:


"The two diplomats (Nuland and Pyatt) also were prepared to escalate the already extensive U.S. involvement in Ukraine’s political turbulence.

"Pyatt stated bluntly that 'we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing [the political transition].' Nuland clearly had Vice President Joe Biden in mind for that role.

"Noting that the vice president’s national security adviser was in direct contact with her, Nuland related that she told him 'probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the details to stick. So Biden’s willing.'"

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy