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60 M1A2/month is what that plant produced when they were building them from scratch. They can refurbish that many without affecting their other production at all.33 vehicles a month including tanks could not mean 60 tanks but rather 12 tanks.
Poland just ordered 250 M1. They will be built starting in 2025. So they have earlier contracts too. Production is not ramped up, apparently.60 M1A2/month is what that plant produced when they were building them from scratch. They can refurbish that many without affecting their other production at all.
IIRC the operations manager from GDLS said they could do 150/month if they went full bore, 3 shifts. He also said they were prepared to do that, they just needed the contracts.
Ukrainian President Zelensky will not launch a long awaited major offensive as he ran out of tanks, artillery and ammunition.
"Ukraine can’t start the next counteroffensive due to a shortage of weapons, including heavy equipment and fighter jets, President Volodymyr Zelensky told the Japanese newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun."
Zelensky: Ukraine can’t start counteroffensive yet due to weapon shortage
Ukraine can’t start the next counteroffensive due to a shortage of weapons, including heavy equipment and fighter jets, President Volodymyr Zelensky told the Japanese newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun.news.yahoo.com
"``We can't start yet. We can't send them out," he said, revealing the serious shortage of weapons."
Litwin, looks like he is totally finished while the West is also depleted. Last option will be fighter jets, but they would "provoke Russia".
It is ridiculous to pit the industrial capacity of Russia against that of the US. The US economy is over 13 times the size of the Russian economy.Poland just ordered 250 M1. They will be built starting in 2025. So they have earlier contracts too. Production is not ramped up, apparently.
They are not fighting Russia, Ukraine is, so in 13 months of fighting, Russia has been unable to defeat Ukraine.View attachment 769420
Make that, 15 months...
I did not say they had ramped up. I said they were capable of producing way more than 12 tanks a month.Poland just ordered 250 M1. They will be built starting in 2025. So they have earlier contracts too. Production is not ramped up, apparently.
About 5 times larger. It doesn´t change that Russia has ammo while the West has to ask Pakistan and other countries.It is ridiculous to pit the industrial capacity of Russia against that of the US. The US economy is over 13 times the size of the Russian economy.
But you said the operations manager said that they would just need contracts. So, they have contracts and you come up with a new reason why production has not been increased.I did not say they had ramped up. I said they were capable of producing way more than 12 tanks a month.
Poland ordered those 250 last year. Those will be new builds and it takes 2 years from start to finish. They recently bought 116 used M1A1's that they will receive this year. They've already taken 28 for training. There are other customers too, Australia has an order and Romania is looking to place one.
The plant hasn't ramped up production because there hasn't been a need to. The US isn't losing tanks anywhere, we have no shortage of tanks.
He’s unfortunately the mouse.he's merely playing cat-n-mouse with the Ruskies.
What contracts? Poland knew deliveries wouldn't begin before the end of 2024. The customers who ordered the new tanks aren't at war, the US is not at war. 31 used tanks for Ukraine isn't reason to start adding shifts, lol.But you said the operations manager said that they would just need contracts. So, they have contracts and you come up with a new reason why production has not been increased.
Just the opposite is true. The nominal gdp is the only way to compare economies but the PPP shows how well the local economy can fare.About 5 times larger. It doesn´t change that Russia has ammo while the West has to ask Pakistan and other countries.
You guys always take nominal GDP to measure an economy´s size, btw, but that is impossible. Since the true size of an economy is measured by produced goods and delivered services and not by the prices that were paid for them, nominal GDP cannot be taken to compare countries. You must take GDP PPP, another name for this is Real GDP, to compare countries. In Real GDP, a product will have the same price, whether produced in the US or in Russia: The US price. Of course, this doesn´t reflect the actual amount of cash that flowed (nominal GDP shows that) but it helps to understand the actual economic performance in terms of production and services. It means, Russia is the 6th largest economy. Most stuff is very cheap there, that is why the Russian nominal GDP is so low.
List of countries by GDP (PPP) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
"GDP (purchasing power parity) compares the gross domestic product (GDP) or value of all final goods and services produced within a nation in a given year. A nation's GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP) exchange rates is the sum value of all goods and services produced in the country valued at prices prevailing in the United States."Just the opposite is true. The nominal gdp is the only way to compare economies but the PPP shows how well the local economy can fare.
Russia's industrial capacity is already stretched beyond its abilities. Iraq has decided to ditch Russian helicopters because Russia is unable to supply spare parts, and Serbia has decided to buy French jets instead of Russian jets because Russia has become an unreliable provider of spare parts, and now India is enraged because Russia has failed to deliver billions of dollars' worth of military equipment India has already paid for because all of Russia's industrial capacity is absorbed by it unwinnable war in Ukraine.
Russia cannot win this war and it will not recover from this war in the foreseeable future.
www.cia.gov
If they have no other contract why would they start to produce the Polish tanks in 2025 and not earlier? Poland wants them now, you know? The German tanks they would get for their T-72 they sent to Ukraine are trash, they didn´t take them and ordered M1, instead. I am sure, they will present Germany the bill soon: $6bn.What contracts? Poland knew deliveries wouldn't begin before the end of 2024. The customers who ordered the new tanks aren't at war, the US is not at war. 31 used tanks for Ukraine isn't reason to start adding shifts, lol.
That must be why everyone is trading in their dollars for rubles.Russia has a gold backed currency. The US is a debt backed currency. One is far more stable than the other...
GDP is the only way to compare economies. It doesn't have to be in dollars but the relative sizes of the nation's output wll be the same. PPP takes into account lower prices within the local economy, so the people of one country may be better off than the GDP would suggest, but it tells you nothing about the size of he economy or its industrial capacity."GDP (purchasing power parity) compares the gross domestic product (GDP) or value of all final goods and services produced within a nation in a given year. A nation's GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP) exchange rates is the sum value of all goods and services produced in the country valued at prices prevailing in the United States."
Real GDP (purchasing power parity)
he's merely playing cat-n-mouse with the Ruskies.
They are already started. The production slots are allocated when the orders are finalized. The order was placed middle of last year. It's a 2 year production cycle. First finished tanks will be coming out the latter half of 2024. A production rate say, 20/month would put final deliveries around end of 2026.If they have no other contract why would they start to produce the Polish tanks in 2025 and not earlier?
They can want what they want. They knew the time frame when they ordered the tanks. It's no different than any other production order.Poland wants them now, you know?
Oh well... That's between Germany and Poland. If Germany wants to pay for Poland's M1's I don't really care...The German tanks they would get for their T-72 they sent to Ukraine are trash, they didn´t take them and ordered M1, instead. I am sure, they will present Germany the bill soon: $6bn.
I heard production starts in 2025, not delivery. You have a source on that?They are already started. The production slots are allocated when the orders are finalized. The order was placed middle of last year. It's a 2 year production cycle. First finished tanks will be coming out the latter half of 2024. A production rate say, 20/month would put final deliveries around end of 2026.
They can want what they want. They knew the time frame when they ordered the tanks. It's no different than any other production order.
If Poland wants them bad enough, they will say "How much will it cost to speed up the delivery by 6 months, or compress the deliveries to one year instead of two. GDLS will give them a price for that, or tell them it's not do-able.
Oh well... That's between Germany and Poland. If Germany wants to pay for Poland's M1's I don't really care...
Yes, it tells you about the actual production that took place, not capacity or theory. It means Russia is not bad off. For real, Ukraine is bad off. The longer the war will take the worse the country will fare.GDP is the only way to compare economies. It doesn't have to be in dollars but the relative sizes of the nation's output wll be the same. PPP takes into account lower prices within the local economy, so the people of one country may be better off than the GDP would suggest, but it tells you nothing about the size of he economy or its industrial capacity.
