Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Adviser to Jimmy Carter, Dies at 89

[Disir]

Why would the United States run the risk of siding with anti-Semitic, neo-Nazis in Ukraine?

One of the keys may be found by looking back at Zbigniew Brzezinski’s 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard in which he wrote, “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.”

“However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia.”

The former national security advisor to Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981 and top foreign policy advisor to Barack Obama, Brzezinski wrote that US policy should be “unapologetic” in perpetuating “America’s own dominant position for at least a generation and preferably longer still.”

Brzezinski delved into the importance of little known Ukraine by explaining in his 1997 book, “Geopolitical pivots are the states whose importance is derived not from their power and motivation but rather from their sensitive location… which in some cases gives them a special role in either defining access to important areas or in denying resources to a significant player.”

“Ukraine, Azerbaijan, South Korea, Turkey and Iran play the role of critically important geopolitical pivots,” he wrote in The Grand Chessboard, a book viewed by many as a blueprint for US world domination.

Brzezinski wrote that Eurasia is “the chessboard on which the struggle for global primacy continues to be played,” and that “it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.”

Understanding Brzezinski’s long-term view of Ukraine makes it easier to comprehend why the US has given $5 billion to Ukraine since 1991, and why today it is hyper-concerned about having Ukraine remain in its sphere of influence.

It may also help explain why in the past year the US and many of its media outlets have feverishly demonized Vladimir Putin.
Brzezinski Mapped Out the Battle for Ukraine in 1997 – Antiwar.com Original

So where is the Big Scandal here? Is anything in his words here false? Or is it just the weird naive idea the U.S. is Evul and Everybody Else are little hapless hobbits and hippies and never do any wrongs and we're supposed to be 'shocked' at geopolitical commentary?

Why would anyone be shocked? Are you proposing the US derives some type of emotional relationship with Ukraine?

Brzezinski didn't just disappear. Have you read the Grand Chessboard?

The United States is an empire. It is infinitely better to be in the empire than not. You would have a lot less of "U.S. is Evul and Everybody Else are little hapless hobbits and hippies and never do any wrongs" if there were open discussions about proxy wars instead of shoving propaganda down people's throats. Or-dealing with 3 IDs whose sole purpose is to disrupt any conversation related to it.

Well, Ukraine never plotted terrorism against the U.S in the Lavon Affair like Israel, or bombed a U.S ship like Israel did the U.S.S Liberty, or Ukraine didn't send in a massive spy of Jonathan Pollard like Israel did.

Therefor I see no reason why Israel should get preferred treatment over Ukraine, do you?

Wrong answer, Cornflake.

Do you have an explanation to why Israel deserves preferred treatment over Ukraine?

Not the topic. No matter how much you would rather it was.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

So where is the Big Scandal here? Is anything in his words here false? Or is it just the weird naive idea the U.S. is Evul and Everybody Else are little hapless hobbits and hippies and never do any wrongs and we're supposed to be 'shocked' at geopolitical commentary?

Why would anyone be shocked? Are you proposing the US derives some type of emotional relationship with Ukraine?

Brzezinski didn't just disappear. Have you read the Grand Chessboard?

The United States is an empire. It is infinitely better to be in the empire than not. You would have a lot less of "U.S. is Evul and Everybody Else are little hapless hobbits and hippies and never do any wrongs" if there were open discussions about proxy wars instead of shoving propaganda down people's throats. Or-dealing with 3 IDs whose sole purpose is to disrupt any conversation related to it.

Well, Ukraine never plotted terrorism against the U.S in the Lavon Affair like Israel, or bombed a U.S ship like Israel did the U.S.S Liberty, or Ukraine didn't send in a massive spy of Jonathan Pollard like Israel did.

Therefor I see no reason why Israel should get preferred treatment over Ukraine, do you?

Wrong answer, Cornflake.

Do you have an explanation to why Israel deserves preferred treatment over Ukraine?

Not the topic. No matter how much you would rather it was.

Brzezinski wasn't very pro-Israel, so obviously it's not too far off, in fact Brzezinski said if Israeli planes went to bomb Iran, we should blow them out of the sky, no?

 

[Disir]

Why would anyone be shocked? Are you proposing the US derives some type of emotional relationship with Ukraine?

Brzezinski didn't just disappear. Have you read the Grand Chessboard?

The United States is an empire. It is infinitely better to be in the empire than not. You would have a lot less of "U.S. is Evul and Everybody Else are little hapless hobbits and hippies and never do any wrongs" if there were open discussions about proxy wars instead of shoving propaganda down people's throats. Or-dealing with 3 IDs whose sole purpose is to disrupt any conversation related to it.

Well, Ukraine never plotted terrorism against the U.S in the Lavon Affair like Israel, or bombed a U.S ship like Israel did the U.S.S Liberty, or Ukraine didn't send in a massive spy of Jonathan Pollard like Israel did.

Therefor I see no reason why Israel should get preferred treatment over Ukraine, do you?

Wrong answer, Cornflake.

Do you have an explanation to why Israel deserves preferred treatment over Ukraine?

Not the topic. No matter how much you would rather it was.

Brzezinski wasn't very pro-Israel, so obviously it's not too far off, in fact Brzezinski said if Israeli planes went to bomb Iran, we should blow them out of the sky, no?

You got what you came for. Move along.

 

[Roudy]

I disagree, North Korea continues on as such a state.... The Soviets admitted they couldn't deal with Polish Solidarity, because they were busy dealing with Afghanistan, this allowed Poland with Solidarity to break away from the Soviet bloc, another big blow to the Soviet Union.

North Korea is propped up by the Chinese, not the Russians; Stalin ran away from Korea when Truman and the UN decided to invade.

Yes, I already pointed out the SU was dead in the water by 1973. You can thank LBJ, the West, and the Israelis for your success at 'reforms'.

You gotta understand...This guy is an antisemetic Polack shithead obsessed about anything and everything having to do with Poland. Say something negative about Poles or Poland and watch him eat his soiled underwear.

You're an anti-Polish Jew shithead obsessed everything having to do with Israel, say something negative about Jews, or Israel, and watch him eat his soil underwear.

Anti Polish Jew? Hardly, I didn't even know he was Polish until you showed up in this thread moron. If he wasn't Polish you'd admit he and Carter were catastrophic for the world.

I'm not talking about this thread, but about other threads where you say f*ck Poland, and f*ck Poles, and blame Poland for manning the Concentration Camps, and for allowing the Nazis to build the Concentration Camps on Polish soil.

Yawn...why don't you go join a Polish Neo Nazi group where you'll find people with your point of view?

 

[Roudy]

Why would anyone be shocked? Are you proposing the US derives some type of emotional relationship with Ukraine?

Brzezinski didn't just disappear. Have you read the Grand Chessboard?

The United States is an empire. It is infinitely better to be in the empire than not. You would have a lot less of "U.S. is Evul and Everybody Else are little hapless hobbits and hippies and never do any wrongs" if there were open discussions about proxy wars instead of shoving propaganda down people's throats. Or-dealing with 3 IDs whose sole purpose is to disrupt any conversation related to it.

Well, Ukraine never plotted terrorism against the U.S in the Lavon Affair like Israel, or bombed a U.S ship like Israel did the U.S.S Liberty, or Ukraine didn't send in a massive spy of Jonathan Pollard like Israel did.

Therefor I see no reason why Israel should get preferred treatment over Ukraine, do you?

Wrong answer, Cornflake.

Do you have an explanation to why Israel deserves preferred treatment over Ukraine?

Not the topic. No matter how much you would rather it was.

Brzezinski wasn't very pro-Israel, so obviously it's nBrot too far off, in fact Brzezinski said if Israeli planes went to bomb Iran, we should blow them out of the sky, no?

Brzezinski and Carter were thrown out on their asses. He said that on a Leftie talk show, which is the only place you'd find him talking.

 

[Wyld Kard]

Good riddance to the corrupt globalist scum.

 

[Wyld Kard]

Yep, never liked this guy, but RIP.

Not RIP but rather RIH ( Rot In Hell ) is more appropriate for that globalist scum.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

North Korea is propped up by the Chinese, not the Russians; Stalin ran away from Korea when Truman and the UN decided to invade.

Yes, I already pointed out the SU was dead in the water by 1973. You can thank LBJ, the West, and the Israelis for your success at 'reforms'.

You gotta understand...This guy is an antisemetic Polack shithead obsessed about anything and everything having to do with Poland. Say something negative about Poles or Poland and watch him eat his soiled underwear.

You're an anti-Polish Jew shithead obsessed everything having to do with Israel, say something negative about Jews, or Israel, and watch him eat his soil underwear.

Anti Polish Jew? Hardly, I didn't even know he was Polish until you showed up in this thread moron. If he wasn't Polish you'd admit he and Carter were catastrophic for the world.

I'm not talking about this thread, but about other threads where you say f*ck Poland, and f*ck Poles, and blame Poland for manning the Concentration Camps, and for allowing the Nazis to build the Concentration Camps on Polish soil.

Yawn...why don't you go join a Polish Neo Nazi group where you'll find people with your point of view?

I'm not a neo-Nazi.

Joining a forum with no opposing views is boring.

I much prefer to debate opponents, a good debate it's like a good game of Chess.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Well, Ukraine never plotted terrorism against the U.S in the Lavon Affair like Israel, or bombed a U.S ship like Israel did the U.S.S Liberty, or Ukraine didn't send in a massive spy of Jonathan Pollard like Israel did.

Therefor I see no reason why Israel should get preferred treatment over Ukraine, do you?

Wrong answer, Cornflake.

Do you have an explanation to why Israel deserves preferred treatment over Ukraine?

Not the topic. No matter how much you would rather it was.

Brzezinski wasn't very pro-Israel, so obviously it's nBrot too far off, in fact Brzezinski said if Israeli planes went to bomb Iran, we should blow them out of the sky, no?

Brzezinski and Carter were thrown out on their asses. He said that on a Leftie talk show, which is the only place you'd find him talking.

Brzezinski might not have been all good, but he deserves recognition for helping to collapse the Soviet Union, and for identifying that America's congress is like McCarthyism when it comes to Israel.

 

[HaShev]

For goodness sake Wikipedia has a whole article on Jesus in the Jewish Talmud.
Jesus in the Talmud - Wikipedia
The big question is are you being ignorant, or liars?

Let's see, you called Jews Dumb=racist
What taught you to
hate all people of a group=Christian Hate Propaganda which was taught to the Jihaadist.
Furthermore if you are gonna rant and rave off topic with ad hominem responses that does not refute the reply to your MISTAKEN comments about BRZEZ'S ACTS, then you should not bring up words like ignorant and liar. Your smokescreen does not change the results of BRZEZ's actions which is the context and subject you brought up and are now smokescreening and hiding from.
Do not call people ignorant and liars because you have no understanding of what you are discussing to make that judgement.
What is most comical is that you bring up
Wikipedia which most likely used my research on the One OF MANY christs in the Talmud.
Notice I said the one Christ not Jesus. Wikipedia makes the mistake by saying the word Jesus and you regurgitate it not knowing the carelessness of their wording.
You see it can't be the King Herod era Galilean christ or Pilate era Christ as Jesus because the Talmud is discussing Yeshu son of Mary of 100BC. He is used for the fake Jesus narrative, but is not historically Jesus which was not a singular historical figure.
Which goes back to my comments about Rome converging and combining all cults and faiths into one under a figure given a new name & borrowed Baal Dec 25th birthdate . Combined characters need new names and birthdates, real historical figures use their original Hebrew names and have recorded birthdates thst are not borrowed from Babylonian mystery religions.
Calling the one person ignorant who many University professors luke Oxford and Harvard and even special religious programs like the late
Peter Jennings get their research for the historical JESUS info based from.
The Talmud's Yeshu ben Pandira
(ben Stada) is only obe of many Christs used for the Jesus image and myth.
The Talmud snd NT lists 2 other christs which became oart of the fake Jesus Narrative..
Yehuda the Galilean(died 6bc) and Theudas by the Jordan(45ad).
Sources:
Sources yeshu
following excerpt is from the book:"Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up?"by John Blanchard
The mother of Hyrcanus, Salomè, in spite of her being called by another name, showed favour to Jehoshua and his teaching; that she was a witness of his wonderful works and powers of healing, and tried to save him from the hands of his sacerdotal enemies, because he was related to her;
John was son of Hyrcanus and was despised by the Pharisee, notice this means there is proof of they do connect.

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said tohave visited in ACTS.
Interestingly the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

The many Christs:
The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE),
Simon of Peraea (4 BCE),
Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE),
Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE) who was also confused with Yehuda the Galionite (used for the Temple table overturning story=ransacked by this thief) hance used for the NT Jesus & Jesus Barrabbas story where the other similar named fellow is a thief and murderer like Yehuda the Galionite was.
The only Ad era Christ at that Pilate era time was
Theudas by the Jordan who's apostles were martyred and also compuled with earlier christs followers with similar or names or else compiled in new names.

Sources of these Christs: Book of acts mentions Yehuda and Theudas but mix their
sequence of death.

Josephus : on Yehuda the Galilean and the similar confused named thief murderer Yehuda the Galionite(used for the table turners & Jesus Barabbas scenes):
Book 18 chapter 1 is where the heart of the info on the tax revolt and teaching of the crucified Yehuda of Galilee is mentioned.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.
Neither the King Herod era christ nor AD Pilate era Christ have anything to do with the half Roman who the Harlot Church preferred named Yeshu son of Mary of 100bc, who is the one the NT says was slew(stoned)and hanged (not crucified like the other 2 were) "on Passover"-John 18-19 and Mark 14-15
Source: Acts 5:30

The following lores,myths,legends used to create the image of Jesus include Baal, Mithra, Horus, Osiris, Krishna, Esus (the tri god), Dagon, Zeus, and more.
Bible roles stolen from Michael which is why JW's think they are one & the same. Bible characters like Joseph, and Rabbi Yohoshua Ben Chananiah plagiarised.
OT blatantly plagiarised story by story throuought which lead to some pretty funny mistakes in not knowing the meaning of which they borrowed from.

Baal source:
From a stone tablet discovered in Nineveh, Assyria,
dated 700 B.C., now housed in The British Museum, referred to by officials as the
Marduk's Ordeal tablet. Also known as the Baal Passion Play.
Dec 25th birthdate=Baal
Sun symbol cross=Baal
Morning star and dying god mythology=son of Baal.


Mithra: to many sources to list
Discovered in Ireland a predated sickly man on a cross the type the Pope carried=Mithraic.
Bascilica in Rome turned old Mithra temples into churches and kept the altar with the Mithraic cross.

Esus=tri god

Dagon=fishman god father of Baal predated tablet carvings seen in fishead mitres and scales on robes. Popes fishman ring.
Idol that broke his hands off during his fall.

Krishna was called Christos.

Mary and Baby Jesus statues are actually predated
Mother Isis(wife of Baal) and Baby Horus.

Toooooooo Much to list!

 

[HaShev]

For goodness sake Wikipedia has a whole article on Jesus in the Jewish Talmud.
Jesus in the Talmud - Wikipedia
The big question is are you being ignorant, or liars?

Let's see, you called Jews Dumb=racist
What taught you to
hate all people of a group=Christian Hate Propaganda which was taught to the Jihaadist.
Furthermore if you are gonna rant and rave off topic with ad hominem responses that does not refute the reply to your MISTAKEN comments about BRZEZ'S ACTS, then you should not bring up words like ignorant and liar. Your smokescreen does not change the results of BRZEZ's actions which is the context and subject you brought up and are now smokescreening and hiding from.
Do not call people ignorant and liars because you have no understanding of what you are discussing to make that judgement.
What is most comical is that you bring up
Wikipedia which most likely used my research on the One OF MANY christs in the Talmud.
Notice I said the one Christ not Jesus. Wikipedia makes the mistake by saying the word Jesus and you regurgitate it not knowing the carelessness of their wording.
You see it can't be the King Herod era Galilean christ or Pilate era Christ as Jesus because the Talmud is discussing Yeshu son of Mary of 100BC. He is used for the fake Jesus narrative but is not historically Jesus wgich eas not a singular historical figure.
Which goes back to my comments about Rome converging and combiningcall cults and faiths into one under a figure given a new name & borrowed Baal Dec 25th birthdate . Combined characters need new names and birthdates, real historical figures use their original Hebrew names and have recorded birthdates thst are not borrowed from Babylonian mystery religions.
Calling the one person ignorant who many University professors luke Oxford and Harvard and even special religious programs like the late
Peter Jennings get their research for the historical JESUS info based from.
The Talmud's Yeshu ben Pandira
(ben Stada) is only obe of many Christs used for the Jesus image and myth.
The Talmud snd NT lists 2 other christs which became oart of the fake Jesus Narrative..
Yehuda the Galilean(died 6bc) and Theudas by the Jordan(45ad).
Sources:
Sources yeshu
following excerpt is from the book:"Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up?"by John Blanchard
The mother of Hyrcanus, Salomè, in spite of her being called by another name, showed favour to Jehoshua and his teaching; that she was a witness of his wonderful works and powers of healing, and tried to save him from the hands of his sacerdotal enemies, because he was related to her;
John was son of Hyrcanus and was despised by the Pharisee, notice this means there is proof of they do connect.

Sources for the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d)and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
2 accounts:
-Dr. Franz Hartman -
& Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900


According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Jehoshua, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda,

Jesus ben Stada (or Pandera) was placedin the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said tohave visited in ACTS.
Interestingly the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus.

The many Christs:
The following are the only messianic figures in the time of Lysanias(died 35bc) and King Herod(4bc).
Yehuda (Judas) son of Hezekiah (4 BCE),
Simon of Peraea (4 BCE),
Athronges, the shepherd (4 BCE),
Yehuda (Judas) the Galilean (6 CE) who was also confused with Yehuda the Galionite (used for the Temple table overturning story=ransacked by this thief) hance used for the NT Jesus & Jesus Barrabbas story where the other similar named fellow is a thief and murderer like Yehuda the Galionite was.
The only Ad era Christ at that Pilate era time was
Theudas by the Jordan who's apostles were martyred and also compuled with earlier christs followers with similar or names or else compiled in new names.

Sources of these Christs: Book of acts mentions Yehuda and Theudas but mix their
sequence of death.

Josephus : on Yehuda the Galilean and the similar confused named thief murderer Yehuda the Galionite(used for the table turners & Jesus Barabbas scenes):
Book 18 chapter 1 is where the heart of the info on the tax revolt and teaching of the crucified Yehuda of Galilee is mentioned.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.
Neither the King Herod era christ nor AD Pilate era Christ have anything to do with the half Roman who the Harlot Church preferred named Yeshu son of Mary of 100bc, who is the one the NT says was slew(stoned)and hanged (not crucified like the other 2 were) "on Passover"-John 18-19 and Mark 14-15
Source: Acts 5:30

The following lores,myths,legends used to create the image of Jesus include Baal, Mithra, Horus, Osiris, Krishna, Esus (the tri god), Dagon, Zeus, and more.
Bible roles stolen from Michael which is why JW's think they are one & the same. Bible characters like Joseph, and Rabbi Yohoshua Ben Chananiah plagiarised.
OT blatantly plagiarised story by story throuought which lead to some pretty funny mistakes in not knowing the meaning of which they borrowed from.

Baal source:
From a stone tablet discovered in Nineveh, Assyria,
dated 700 B.C., now housed in The British Museum, referred to by officials as the
Marduk's Ordeal tablet. Also known as the Baal Passion Play.
Dec 25th birthdate=Baal
Sun symbol cross=Baal
Morning star and dying god mythology=son of Baal.


Mithra: to many sources to list
Discovered in Ireland a predated sickly man on a cross the type the Pope carried=Mithraic.
Bascilica in Rome turned old Mithra temples into churches and kept the altar with the Mithraic cross.

Esus=tri god

Dagon=fishman god father of Baal predated tablet carvings seen in fishead mitres and scales on robes. Popes fishman ring.
Idol that broke his hands off during his fall.

Krishna was called Christos.

Mary and Baby Jesus statues are actually predated
Mother Isis(wife of Baal) and Baby Horus.

Toooooooo Much to list!

You're disgusting.

Thank you, you can't prove my points or *first chapter of my book any more then that reactional response.
*First chapter lists ad hominem responses due to unpopular truths.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

For goodness sake Wikipedia has a whole article on Jesus in the Jewish Talmud.
Jesus in the Talmud - Wikipedia
The big question is are you being ignorant, or liars?

Let's see, you called Jews Dumb=racist
What taught you to
hate all people of a group=Christian Hate Propaganda which was taught to the Jihaadist.

Jews aren't a race, though.

I'm an Agnostic or a skeptic of religion.

However, I was raised Catholic, and don't take kindly to Catholic bashing.

 

[Bush92]

Zbigniew Brzezinski, the hawkish strategic theorist who was national security adviser to President Jimmy Carter in the tumultuous years of the Iran hostage crisis and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the late 1970s, died on Friday at a hospital in Virginia. He was 89.

His death, at Inova Fairfax Hospital in Falls Church, was announced on Friday by his daughter, Mika Brzezinski, a co-host of the MSNBC program “Morning Joe.”

Like his predecessor Henry A. Kissinger, Mr. Brzezinski was a foreign-born scholar (he in Poland, Mr. Kissinger in Germany) with considerable influence in global affairs, both before and long after his official tour of duty in the White House. In essays, interviews and television appearances over the decades, he cast a sharp eye on six successive administrations, including that of Donald J. Trump, whose election he did not support and whose foreign policy, he found, lacked coherence.

Mr. Brzezinski was nominally a Democrat, with views that led him to speak out, for example, against the “greed,” as he put it, of an American system that compounded inequality. He was one of the few foreign policy experts to warn against the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/...dead-national-security-adviser-to-carter.html

Yep. Unfortunately the Arc of Crisis continues.

He was a one world government globalist.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Italians and Poles have the worst reputation for war.

This is why Italians and Poles make terrible cabinet level advisors.

None of them has any balls.

Here's a list of Polish forces beating larger forces dated from more recent, to less recent.

Battle of Komarow in 1920, when 1,700 Polish force beat 17,500 Soviet forces.

Battle of Komarów - Wikipedia

Battle of Kostiuchnówka in 1916 when 6,000 Polish forces beat 13,000 Russian forces.

Battle of Kostiuchnówka - Wikipedia

Battle of Olszynka Grochowska in 1831, when 36,000 Polish forces beat 60,000 Russian forces.

Battle of Olszynka Grochowska - Wikipedia

Battle of Fuengirola in 1810, when 400 Poles, and 57 French forces beat 3,500 British forces, and 1,000 Spanish forces.

Battle of Fuengirola - Wikipedia

The Austro-Polish war in 1809, when 37,000 Polish forces beat,85,000 Austrian forces.

Austro-Polish War - Wikipedia

Battle of Battle of Podhajce in 1698 when 6,000 Polish forces beat 14,000 Turkic forces.

Battle of Podhajce (1698) - Wikipedia

Battle of Hodow in 1694, when 400 Polish forces beat 40,000 Tatar forces.

Battle of Hodów - Wikipedia

Battle of Podhajce in 1667, when 3,000 Polish soldiers, and 6,000 Polish armed villagers beat 20,000 Tatars, 15,000 Cosssacks, and 3,000 Turkish Janissaries.

Battle of Podhajce (1667) - Wikipedia

Battle of Brestechko in 1651 when 80,000 Polish forces beat 200,000 Cossack + Tatar forces

Battle of Berestechko - Wikipedia

Battle of Klushino in 1610, when 6,000 Polish forces beat 35,000 Russian / Swedish forces.

Battle of Klushino - Wikipedia

Battle of Kircholm in 1605, when 3,000 Polish forces beat 10,000 Swedish forces.

Battle of Kirchholm - Wikipedia

Battle of Cecora in 1595 when 7,000 Polish forces beat 25,000 Turkic forces.

Battle of Cecora (1595) - Wikipedia

Battle of Lubieszow in 1577, when 1,000 Polish forces beat 12,000 German forces.

Battle of Lubieszów - Wikipedia

Battle of Obertyn in 1531 when 6,000 Polish forces beat 17,000 Moldovan forces.

Battle of Obertyn - Wikipedia

Siege of Allenstein in 1521 when 300 Polish forces beat 1,000 German forces.

Siege of Allenstein - Wikipedia

Another notable mention despite not being outnumbered, is the Battle of Grunwald in 1410, when Polish forces crushed the German Teutons.

Battle of Grunwald - Wikipedia

 

[HaShev]

For goodness sake Wikipedia has a whole article on Jesus in the Jewish Talmud.
Jesus in the Talmud - Wikipedia
The big question is are you being ignorant, or liars?

Let's see, you called Jews Dumb=racist
What taught you to
hate all people of a group=Christian Hate Propaganda which was taught to the Jihaadist.

Jews aren't a race, though.

I'm an Agnostic or a skeptic of religion.

However, I was raised Catholic, and don't take kindly to Catholic bashing.

So now you call your own text and facts of history bashing? That means even you are so horified and embarassed by it that it offends you, but you are displacing the blame for the Churchcs teachings and behavior.
Furthermore you opened up a can of worms for Islamist telling you that you are bashing their radicals-doesn't make sense now does it?
NOW BACK TO the subject you started: no refutation, but no admission that you were wrong which means youcwill continue to maje poor choices and declarations untill you admit sometimes actions intended to be good are not best and cause more harm inadvertantly. Brzez's results=epic fail and you refused to address that without ad hominem responses off topic.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

For goodness sake Wikipedia has a whole article on Jesus in the Jewish Talmud.
Jesus in the Talmud - Wikipedia
The big question is are you being ignorant, or liars?

Let's see, you called Jews Dumb=racist
What taught you to
hate all people of a group=Christian Hate Propaganda which was taught to the Jihaadist.

Jews aren't a race, though.

I'm an Agnostic or a skeptic of religion.

However, I was raised Catholic, and don't take kindly to Catholic bashing.

So now you call your own text and facts of history bashing? That means even you are so horified and embarassed by it that it offends you, but you are displacing the blame for the Churchcs teachings and behavior.
Furthermore you opened up a can of worms for Islamist telling you that you are bashing their radicals-doesn't make sense now does it?
NOW BACK TO the subject you started: no refutation, but no admission that you were wrong which means youcwill continue to maje poor choices and declarations untill you admit sometimes actions intended to be good are not best and cause more harm inadvertantly. Brzez's results=epic fail and you refused to address that without ad hominem responses off topic.

If Catholics are so horrible as you state, then your Jews must have been real morons, or real masochists to heavily settle in Catholic dominated countries like Poland, Lithuania, and Hungary etc.

 

[HaShev]

You are INADVERTANTLY stating that when Lithuania had people dig their own mass grave ditches so the antisemites could shoot the Jews in the back for no reason and throw our bodies in the ditch that it wasn't horrible.
But I never said anything that isn't true so you admit the true nature of the church was indeed horrible. Now you say it wasn't intended but we see it resulted in attrocities, just as Radical Islam did not come out of the intent of Islam, it came out of the result of affiliation pride.
When you deny Brzez's intent did not result well you display affiliation pride, and when busted on your comment pride got worse and then Catholic adfiliation pride doubles down on your antisemiticsm and pure hatred stemming from hurt ego.

 

[irosie91]

Why would the United States run the risk of siding with anti-Semitic, neo-Nazis in Ukraine?

One of the keys may be found by looking back at Zbigniew Brzezinski’s 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard in which he wrote, “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.”

“However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia.”

The former national security advisor to Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981 and top foreign policy advisor to Barack Obama, Brzezinski wrote that US policy should be “unapologetic” in perpetuating “America’s own dominant position for at least a generation and preferably longer still.”

Brzezinski delved into the importance of little known Ukraine by explaining in his 1997 book, “Geopolitical pivots are the states whose importance is derived not from their power and motivation but rather from their sensitive location… which in some cases gives them a special role in either defining access to important areas or in denying resources to a significant player.”

“Ukraine, Azerbaijan, South Korea, Turkey and Iran play the role of critically important geopolitical pivots,” he wrote in The Grand Chessboard, a book viewed by many as a blueprint for US world domination.

Brzezinski wrote that Eurasia is “the chessboard on which the struggle for global primacy continues to be played,” and that “it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.”

Understanding Brzezinski’s long-term view of Ukraine makes it easier to comprehend why the US has given $5 billion to Ukraine since 1991, and why today it is hyper-concerned about having Ukraine remain in its sphere of influence.

It may also help explain why in the past year the US and many of its media outlets have feverishly demonized Vladimir Putin.
Brzezinski Mapped Out the Battle for Ukraine in 1997 – Antiwar.com Original

So where is the Big Scandal here? Is anything in his words here false? Or is it just the weird naive idea the U.S. is Evul and Everybody Else are little hapless hobbits and hippies and never do any wrongs and we're supposed to be 'shocked' at geopolitical commentary?

Why would anyone be shocked? Are you proposing the US derives some type of emotional relationship with Ukraine?

Brzezinski didn't just disappear. Have you read the Grand Chessboard?

The United States is an empire. It is infinitely better to be in the empire than not. You would have a lot less of "U.S. is Evul and Everybody Else are little hapless hobbits and hippies and never do any wrongs" if there were open discussions about proxy wars instead of shoving propaganda down people's throats. Or-dealing with 3 IDs whose sole purpose is to disrupt any conversation related to it.

Well, Ukraine never plotted terrorism against the U.S in the Lavon Affair like Israel, or bombed a U.S ship like Israel did the U.S.S Liberty, or Ukraine didn't send in a massive spy of Jonathan Pollard like Israel did.

Therefor I see no reason why Israel should get preferred treatment over Ukraine, do you?[/QUOTE

The Lavon affair had absolutely nothing to do with the USA, the bombing of the USS Liberty
was friendly fire as anyone who has served in the US Navy (like me) knows (call me ma'am)
Jonathan Pollard provided some classified information to Israel-----information to which he had
legal access----his doing so was illegal----something like stuff Hillary did. It is very clear that
you read lots of islamo Nazi shit-------do you read anything else?. Lots of Ukrainians are murdering
shit

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You are INADVERTANTLY stating that when Lithuania had people dig their own mass grave ditches so the antisemites could shoot the Jews in the back for no reason and throw our bodies in the ditch that it wasn't horrible.
But I never said anything that isn't true so you admit the true nature of the church was indeed horrible. Now you say it wasn't intended but we see it resulted in attrocities, just as Radical Islam did not come out of the intent of Islam, it came out of the result of affiliation pride.
When you deny Brzez's intent did not result well you display affiliation pride, and when busted on your comment pride got worse and then Catholic adfiliation pride doubles down on your antisemiticsm and pure hatred stemming from hurt ego.

How many Lithuanians took part in such activities?

We know in some parts of Eastern Europe that local Jews were collaborating with Soviets to oppress the native populations, not so sure if it's true for Lithuania, but it's true in Eastern Poland.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Why would the United States run the risk of siding with anti-Semitic, neo-Nazis in Ukraine?

One of the keys may be found by looking back at Zbigniew Brzezinski’s 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard in which he wrote, “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.”

“However, if Moscow regains control over Ukraine, with its 52 million people and major resources as well as access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia.”

The former national security advisor to Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981 and top foreign policy advisor to Barack Obama, Brzezinski wrote that US policy should be “unapologetic” in perpetuating “America’s own dominant position for at least a generation and preferably longer still.”

Brzezinski delved into the importance of little known Ukraine by explaining in his 1997 book, “Geopolitical pivots are the states whose importance is derived not from their power and motivation but rather from their sensitive location… which in some cases gives them a special role in either defining access to important areas or in denying resources to a significant player.”

“Ukraine, Azerbaijan, South Korea, Turkey and Iran play the role of critically important geopolitical pivots,” he wrote in The Grand Chessboard, a book viewed by many as a blueprint for US world domination.

Brzezinski wrote that Eurasia is “the chessboard on which the struggle for global primacy continues to be played,” and that “it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.”

Understanding Brzezinski’s long-term view of Ukraine makes it easier to comprehend why the US has given $5 billion to Ukraine since 1991, and why today it is hyper-concerned about having Ukraine remain in its sphere of influence.

It may also help explain why in the past year the US and many of its media outlets have feverishly demonized Vladimir Putin.
Brzezinski Mapped Out the Battle for Ukraine in 1997 – Antiwar.com Original

So where is the Big Scandal here? Is anything in his words here false? Or is it just the weird naive idea the U.S. is Evul and Everybody Else are little hapless hobbits and hippies and never do any wrongs and we're supposed to be 'shocked' at geopolitical commentary?

Why would anyone be shocked? Are you proposing the US derives some type of emotional relationship with Ukraine?

Brzezinski didn't just disappear. Have you read the Grand Chessboard?

The United States is an empire. It is infinitely better to be in the empire than not. You would have a lot less of "U.S. is Evul and Everybody Else are little hapless hobbits and hippies and never do any wrongs" if there were open discussions about proxy wars instead of shoving propaganda down people's throats. Or-dealing with 3 IDs whose sole purpose is to disrupt any conversation related to it.

Well, Ukraine never plotted terrorism against the U.S in the Lavon Affair like Israel, or bombed a U.S ship like Israel did the U.S.S Liberty, or Ukraine didn't send in a massive spy of Jonathan Pollard like Israel did.

Therefor I see no reason why Israel should get preferred treatment over Ukraine, do you?[/QUOTE

The Lavon affair had absolutely nothing to do with the USA, the bombing of the USS Liberty
was friendly fire as anyone who has served in the US Navy (like me) knows (call me ma'am)
Jonathan Pollard provided some classified information to Israel-----information to which he had
legal access----his doing so was illegal----something like stuff Hillary did. It is very clear that
you read lots of islamo Nazi shit-------do you read anything else?. Lots of Ukrainians are murdering
shit

How do you figure Americans weren't to be targeted in the Lavon Affair?

Lavon Affair - Wikipedia

a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American, and British-owned civilian targets, cinemas, libraries and American educational centers.