You’re Watching the Old Order Collapse…and the People Who Built It Would Rather Burn America Down Than Lose Power

[Doc7505]

You’re Watching the Old Order Collapse…​

and the People Who Built It Would Rather Burn America Down Than Lose Power​

Farther Along

"Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way." — General George S. Patton, Jr.

www.kunstler.com

9 Mar 2026 ~~ By John Howard Kunstler

Don’t lose the plot. Embrace the suck. This is the world’s hard time, for now. The birth of anything can be a bloody horror. It can even look like death. Don’t be too afraid to see what comes on the other side of this awful spectacle.
So many Americans are rooting and wishing for the Iran war to turn out badly for Western Civ. And why? Because Trump. And why? Because at the same time he is ending Iran’s long-running nuclear blackmail game, he is terminating the rackets of the Democratic Party. The incipient changes in operational order create new categories of winners and losers.
Now you know why Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists run on the same track as America’s Woke-Jacobin-Marxists, including the pitifully deluded wine ladies of posh West LA, Grosse Point, Beacon Hill, Fairfax County, et cetera, whose brains have been hijacked by the cable news demon factory (and their sponsors). Chaos does everything possible to avoid meeting order.
And this is why passing the SAVE Act is as consequential as ridding the Middle East of its chief chaos agent. Do you realize how perfectly insane our country’s election procedure has become? The fraud is titanic and right in your face, and the remedy is so plain and simple. What possible excuse is there to thwart it? Non-citizens have no right to vote. Mail-in ballots are patently subject to chicanery. Vote tabulation machines are demonstrably hackable. 80-percent of Americans know this is the truth. How is there controversy over this?
How? Because among all the broken institutions in our country, Congress is the worst. The Congress of our time is demonstrating that we might not be worthy of governing ourselves. We are at a cycle-low for public rectitude. Anything goes and nothing matters as long as the campaign contributions keep rolling in. You see how this has been going.
~Snip~
So, Mr. Trump, for all his flaws, attempts to bring order out of chaos at home and in global relations, and the agents of chaos mightily resent the shut-down of their precious chaos. With Iran, it has come to fighting fire with fire. It’s unlikely that most of the people in that country seek to become martyrs. The cult of martyrdom is strictly the business of the maniacs who seized power there in 1979, a reign of terror, extended by proxy around the whole Middle East and beyond.
Entwined with Iran’s oil business, and the energy security of many nations, the mullahs inflect the trade of this primary resource with their chaos. The world cannot cope with chaos in the oil trade. The collapsing regime of the mullahs wants to go out turning the entire world into a martyr. Just like the Democratic Party wants to martyr the founding principles of the USA to preserve its matrix of moneygrubbing and power-seeking. These are two forces that require the most severe discipline and Mr. Trump is acting to impose exactly that. It’s painful to witness, but it must happen if we want to continue the human project as a reality-based enterprise.
So, heed what is at stake in the events unspooling. This is a dark moment in a journey back to daylight. Have faith. As the old American hymn goes: Farther along we’ll know more about it; farther along we’ll understand why.

Commentary:
John Kunstler's thesis reflects a common sentiment found in modern political commentary regarding the "old order" or "establishment." The idea suggests that entrenched leaders would rather see institutions fail than relinquish control.
Even posts on this board many of the discussions often center on whether the "death of American capitalism" or the dismantling of agencies like USAID represents a shift toward "oligarchic nihilism," where the ruling class prioritizes its own power over the survival of the system.
Certainly we've been warned by our forefathers and those that came after by people like Thomas Jefferson and
Abraham Lincoln who warned of the internal collapse of democracy if the 'Rights Of The People' were secondary to the interests of those in power.
Today's political landscape in the U.S. is marked by significant turmoil. Many believe that those in power are prioritizing their interests over the well-being of the nation. This has led to widespread discontent among the populace.
We saw that beginning in 2020 with the "Summer of Love" and the Stolen election followed by a pseudo presidency supposed led by an Alzheimer's riddled septuagenarian that began work at 12:00 PM and closed shop at 3:00 PM.
Indeed, many Americans wondered then who was really running the country.
Yet, today the same political leaders tell us the president elected to lead this country is tearing America apart.

 

[candycorn]

Meanwhile back in reality,...

The blob said on social media he won’t sign any more bills until Congress passes election reform; something that the federal government doesn’t have a constituional role in officiating.

The sole creator of chaos is the blob.

 

[Mashmont]

You’re Watching the Old Order Collapse…​

and the People Who Built It Would Rather Burn America Down Than Lose Power​

Farther Along

"Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way." — General George S. Patton, Jr.

www.kunstler.com

9 Mar 2026 ~~ By John Howard Kunstler

Don’t lose the plot. Embrace the suck. This is the world’s hard time, for now. The birth of anything can be a bloody horror. It can even look like death. Don’t be too afraid to see what comes on the other side of this awful spectacle.
So many Americans are rooting and wishing for the Iran war to turn out badly for Western Civ. And why? Because Trump. And why? Because at the same time he is ending Iran’s long-running nuclear blackmail game, he is terminating the rackets of the Democratic Party. The incipient changes in operational order create new categories of winners and losers.
Now you know why Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists run on the same track as America’s Woke-Jacobin-Marxists, including the pitifully deluded wine ladies of posh West LA, Grosse Point, Beacon Hill, Fairfax County, et cetera, whose brains have been hijacked by the cable news demon factory (and their sponsors). Chaos does everything possible to avoid meeting order.
And this is why passing the SAVE Act is as consequential as ridding the Middle East of its chief chaos agent. Do you realize how perfectly insane our country’s election procedure has become? The fraud is titanic and right in your face, and the remedy is so plain and simple. What possible excuse is there to thwart it? Non-citizens have no right to vote. Mail-in ballots are patently subject to chicanery. Vote tabulation machines are demonstrably hackable. 80-percent of Americans know this is the truth. How is there controversy over this?
How? Because among all the broken institutions in our country, Congress is the worst. The Congress of our time is demonstrating that we might not be worthy of governing ourselves. We are at a cycle-low for public rectitude. Anything goes and nothing matters as long as the campaign contributions keep rolling in. You see how this has been going.
~Snip~
So, Mr. Trump, for all his flaws, attempts to bring order out of chaos at home and in global relations, and the agents of chaos mightily resent the shut-down of their precious chaos. With Iran, it has come to fighting fire with fire. It’s unlikely that most of the people in that country seek to become martyrs. The cult of martyrdom is strictly the business of the maniacs who seized power there in 1979, a reign of terror, extended by proxy around the whole Middle East and beyond.
Entwined with Iran’s oil business, and the energy security of many nations, the mullahs inflect the trade of this primary resource with their chaos. The world cannot cope with chaos in the oil trade. The collapsing regime of the mullahs wants to go out turning the entire world into a martyr. Just like the Democratic Party wants to martyr the founding principles of the USA to preserve its matrix of moneygrubbing and power-seeking. These are two forces that require the most severe discipline and Mr. Trump is acting to impose exactly that. It’s painful to witness, but it must happen if we want to continue the human project as a reality-based enterprise.
So, heed what is at stake in the events unspooling. This is a dark moment in a journey back to daylight. Have faith. As the old American hymn goes: Farther along we’ll know more about it; farther along we’ll understand why.

Commentary:
John Kunstler's thesis reflects a common sentiment found in modern political commentary regarding the "old order" or "establishment." The idea suggests that entrenched leaders would rather see institutions fail than relinquish control.
Even posts on this board many of the discussions often center on whether the "death of American capitalism" or the dismantling of agencies like USAID represents a shift toward "oligarchic nihilism," where the ruling class prioritizes its own power over the survival of the system.
Certainly we've been warned by our forefathers and those that came after by people like Thomas Jefferson and
Abraham Lincoln who warned of the internal collapse of democracy if the 'Rights Of The People' were secondary to the interests of those in power.
Today's political landscape in the U.S. is marked by significant turmoil. Many believe that those in power are prioritizing their interests over the well-being of the nation. This has led to widespread discontent among the populace.
We saw that beginning in 2020 with the "Summer of Love" and the Stolen election followed by a pseudo presidency supposed led by an Alzheimer's riddled septuagenarian that began work at 12:00 PM and closed shop at 3:00 PM.
Indeed, many Americans wondered then who was really running the country.
Yet, today the same political leaders tell us the president elected to lead this country is tearing America apart.

I think what makes Trump really special is he's one of the very few who is out for the best interests of the country, and he is motivated by that altruistic goal. He doesn't want for money or power. He's already won on those counts. He doesn't need either one. You will NEVER find a Democrat like that. Every longtime Democrat you can think of enriched himself or herself through their political career.

 

[White 6]

I think what makes Trump really special is he's one of the very few who is out for the best interests of the country, and he is motivated by that altruistic goal. He doesn't want for money or power. He's already won on those counts. He doesn't need either one. You will NEVER find a Democrat like that. Every longtime Democrat you can think of enriched himself or herself through their political career.

You gotta be shittn' me. He is out for trump, not American. He just sells the MAGA routine blind followers. He should not have gone in, to help Israel with it's attack, though we should never have gotten in the way of Israel attacking Iran or it's proxies. But, the simple fact is nothing changed since he "obliterated" (his words) their nuclear program, and even his Secretary of State said Iran was not enriching. There was nothing that made him rush into this. He just chose to. The build up, for him was all on the military side, with no care for American's abroad or arrangements to get them out, as if the military build up was some kind of secret. Regional allies were not told. Heck our own front line and regional units, not directly involve from the jump weren't told. This probably led to some shooting down a plane or two of ours, by friendly fire.

 

[JGalt]

Meanwhile back in reality,...

The blob said on social media he won’t sign any more bills until Congress passes election reform; something that the federal government doesn’t have a constituional role in officiating.

The sole creator of chaos is the blob.

The chaos is from you Democrats. Thanks for shutting down the DHS, the next string of mass casualty events from terrorist attacks is on you guys and girls.

Just remember that, girlie.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You gotta be shittn' me. He is out for trump, not American. He just sells the MAGA routine blind followers. He should not have gone in, to help Israel with it's attack, though we should never have gotten in the way of Israel attacking Iran or it's proxies. But, the simple fact is nothing changed since he "obliterated" (his words) their nuclear program, and even his Secretary of State said Iran was not enriching. There was nothing that made him rush into this. He just chose to. The build up, for him was all on the military side, with no care for American's abroad or arrangements to get them out, as if the military build up was some kind of secret. Regional allies were not told. Heck our own front line and regional units, not directly involve from the jump weren't told. This probably led to some shooting down a plane or two of ours, by friendly fire.

Does the concept of "need to know" escape that TDS-addled brain of yours?

I wouldn't shit you! You are my favorite turd!

 

[Dante]

You’re Watching the Old Order Collapse…​

and the People Who Built It Would Rather Burn America Down Than Lose Power​

Farther Along

"Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way." — General George S. Patton, Jr.

www.kunstler.com

9 Mar 2026 ~~ By John Howard Kunstler

Don’t lose the plot. Embrace the suck. This is the world’s hard time, for now. The birth of anything can be a bloody horror. It can even look like death. Don’t be too afraid to see what comes on the other side of this awful spectacle.
So many Americans are rooting and wishing for the Iran war to turn out badly for Western Civ. And why? Because Trump. And why? Because at the same time he is ending Iran’s long-running nuclear blackmail game, he is terminating the rackets of the Democratic Party. The incipient changes in operational order create new categories of winners and losers.
Now you know why Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists run on the same track as America’s Woke-Jacobin-Marxists, including the pitifully deluded wine ladies of posh West LA, Grosse Point, Beacon Hill, Fairfax County, et cetera, whose brains have been hijacked by the cable news demon factory (and their sponsors). Chaos does everything possible to avoid meeting order.
And this is why passing the SAVE Act is as consequential as ridding the Middle East of its chief chaos agent. Do you realize how perfectly insane our country’s election procedure has become? The fraud is titanic and right in your face, and the remedy is so plain and simple. What possible excuse is there to thwart it? Non-citizens have no right to vote. Mail-in ballots are patently subject to chicanery. Vote tabulation machines are demonstrably hackable. 80-percent of Americans know this is the truth. How is there controversy over this?
How? Because among all the broken institutions in our country, Congress is the worst. The Congress of our time is demonstrating that we might not be worthy of governing ourselves. We are at a cycle-low for public rectitude. Anything goes and nothing matters as long as the campaign contributions keep rolling in. You see how this has been going.
~Snip~
So, Mr. Trump, for all his flaws, attempts to bring order out of chaos at home and in global relations, and the agents of chaos mightily resent the shut-down of their precious chaos. With Iran, it has come to fighting fire with fire. It’s unlikely that most of the people in that country seek to become martyrs. The cult of martyrdom is strictly the business of the maniacs who seized power there in 1979, a reign of terror, extended by proxy around the whole Middle East and beyond.
Entwined with Iran’s oil business, and the energy security of many nations, the mullahs inflect the trade of this primary resource with their chaos. The world cannot cope with chaos in the oil trade. The collapsing regime of the mullahs wants to go out turning the entire world into a martyr. Just like the Democratic Party wants to martyr the founding principles of the USA to preserve its matrix of moneygrubbing and power-seeking. These are two forces that require the most severe discipline and Mr. Trump is acting to impose exactly that. It’s painful to witness, but it must happen if we want to continue the human project as a reality-based enterprise.
So, heed what is at stake in the events unspooling. This is a dark moment in a journey back to daylight. Have faith. As the old American hymn goes: Farther along we’ll know more about it; farther along we’ll understand why.

Commentary:
John Kunstler's thesis reflects a common sentiment found in modern political commentary regarding the "old order" or "establishment." The idea suggests that entrenched leaders would rather see institutions fail than relinquish control.
Even posts on this board many of the discussions often center on whether the "death of American capitalism" or the dismantling of agencies like USAID represents a shift toward "oligarchic nihilism," where the ruling class prioritizes its own power over the survival of the system.
Certainly we've been warned by our forefathers and those that came after by people like Thomas Jefferson and
Abraham Lincoln who warned of the internal collapse of democracy if the 'Rights Of The People' were secondary to the interests of those in power.
Today's political landscape in the U.S. is marked by significant turmoil. Many believe that those in power are prioritizing their interests over the well-being of the nation. This has led to widespread discontent among the populace.
We saw that beginning in 2020 with the "Summer of Love" and the Stolen election followed by a pseudo presidency supposed led by an Alzheimer's riddled septuagenarian that began work at 12:00 PM and closed shop at 3:00 PM.
Indeed, many Americans wondered then who was really running the country.
Yet, today the same political leaders tell us the president elected to lead this country is tearing America apart.

THIS IS CONSPIRACY THEORY BULLSHIT

It does not belong in this area

 

[Doc7505]

Meanwhile back in reality,...

The blob said on social media he won’t sign any more bills until Congress passes election reform; something that the federal government doesn’t have a constituional role in officiating.

The sole creator of chaos is the blob.

<~~~~~~~~~~>

XXXXXXXXXX

You gotta be shittn' me. He is out for trump, not American. He just sells the MAGA routine blind followers. He should not have gone in, to help Israel with it's attack, though we should never have gotten in the way of Israel attacking Iran or it's proxies. But, the simple fact is nothing changed since he "obliterated" (his words) their nuclear program, and even his Secretary of State said Iran was not enriching. There was nothing that made him rush into this. He just chose to. The build up, for him was all on the military side, with no care for American's abroad or arrangements to get them out, as if the military build up was some kind of secret. Regional allies were not told. Heck our own front line and regional units, not directly involve from the jump weren't told. This probably led to some shooting down a plane or two of ours, by friendly fire.

<~~~~~~~~~~>

​

 

[frigidweirdo]

You’re Watching the Old Order Collapse…​

and the People Who Built It Would Rather Burn America Down Than Lose Power​

Farther Along

"Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way." — General George S. Patton, Jr.

www.kunstler.com

9 Mar 2026 ~~ By John Howard Kunstler

Don’t lose the plot. Embrace the suck. This is the world’s hard time, for now. The birth of anything can be a bloody horror. It can even look like death. Don’t be too afraid to see what comes on the other side of this awful spectacle.
So many Americans are rooting and wishing for the Iran war to turn out badly for Western Civ. And why? Because Trump. And why? Because at the same time he is ending Iran’s long-running nuclear blackmail game, he is terminating the rackets of the Democratic Party. The incipient changes in operational order create new categories of winners and losers.
Now you know why Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists run on the same track as America’s Woke-Jacobin-Marxists, including the pitifully deluded wine ladies of posh West LA, Grosse Point, Beacon Hill, Fairfax County, et cetera, whose brains have been hijacked by the cable news demon factory (and their sponsors). Chaos does everything possible to avoid meeting order.
And this is why passing the SAVE Act is as consequential as ridding the Middle East of its chief chaos agent. Do you realize how perfectly insane our country’s election procedure has become? The fraud is titanic and right in your face, and the remedy is so plain and simple. What possible excuse is there to thwart it? Non-citizens have no right to vote. Mail-in ballots are patently subject to chicanery. Vote tabulation machines are demonstrably hackable. 80-percent of Americans know this is the truth. How is there controversy over this?
How? Because among all the broken institutions in our country, Congress is the worst. The Congress of our time is demonstrating that we might not be worthy of governing ourselves. We are at a cycle-low for public rectitude. Anything goes and nothing matters as long as the campaign contributions keep rolling in. You see how this has been going.
~Snip~
So, Mr. Trump, for all his flaws, attempts to bring order out of chaos at home and in global relations, and the agents of chaos mightily resent the shut-down of their precious chaos. With Iran, it has come to fighting fire with fire. It’s unlikely that most of the people in that country seek to become martyrs. The cult of martyrdom is strictly the business of the maniacs who seized power there in 1979, a reign of terror, extended by proxy around the whole Middle East and beyond.
Entwined with Iran’s oil business, and the energy security of many nations, the mullahs inflect the trade of this primary resource with their chaos. The world cannot cope with chaos in the oil trade. The collapsing regime of the mullahs wants to go out turning the entire world into a martyr. Just like the Democratic Party wants to martyr the founding principles of the USA to preserve its matrix of moneygrubbing and power-seeking. These are two forces that require the most severe discipline and Mr. Trump is acting to impose exactly that. It’s painful to witness, but it must happen if we want to continue the human project as a reality-based enterprise.
So, heed what is at stake in the events unspooling. This is a dark moment in a journey back to daylight. Have faith. As the old American hymn goes: Farther along we’ll know more about it; farther along we’ll understand why.

Commentary:
John Kunstler's thesis reflects a common sentiment found in modern political commentary regarding the "old order" or "establishment." The idea suggests that entrenched leaders would rather see institutions fail than relinquish control.
Even posts on this board many of the discussions often center on whether the "death of American capitalism" or the dismantling of agencies like USAID represents a shift toward "oligarchic nihilism," where the ruling class prioritizes its own power over the survival of the system.
Certainly we've been warned by our forefathers and those that came after by people like Thomas Jefferson and
Abraham Lincoln who warned of the internal collapse of democracy if the 'Rights Of The People' were secondary to the interests of those in power.
Today's political landscape in the U.S. is marked by significant turmoil. Many believe that those in power are prioritizing their interests over the well-being of the nation. This has led to widespread discontent among the populace.
We saw that beginning in 2020 with the "Summer of Love" and the Stolen election followed by a pseudo presidency supposed led by an Alzheimer's riddled septuagenarian that began work at 12:00 PM and closed shop at 3:00 PM.
Indeed, many Americans wondered then who was really running the country.
Yet, today the same political leaders tell us the president elected to lead this country is tearing America apart.

Same with other countries, like Russia and Iran. They'll all in it to keep their power.

 

[candycorn]

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[BS Filter]

Meanwhile back in reality,...

The blob said on social media he won’t sign any more bills until Congress passes election reform; something that the federal government doesn’t have a constituional role in officiating.

The sole creator of chaos is the blob.

Bullshit. How can you say such stupid crap?

 

[BS Filter]

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Hurts, doesn't it.

 

[candycorn]

Bullshit. How can you say such stupid crap?

https://www.npr.org/2026/03/08/g-s1-112917/trump-says-he-wont-sign-bills-until-congress-overhauls-voting

 

[JGalt]

Bullshit. How can you say such stupid crap?

Stupid people can only say stupid crap.

 

[BS Filter]

https://www.npr.org/2026/03/08/g-s1-112917/trump-says-he-wont-sign-bills-until-congress-overhauls-voting

Yes. And? What's your point?

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

You’re Watching the Old Order Collapse…​

and the People Who Built It Would Rather Burn America Down Than Lose Power​

Farther Along

"Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way." — General George S. Patton, Jr.

www.kunstler.com

9 Mar 2026 ~~ By John Howard Kunstler

Don’t lose the plot. Embrace the suck. This is the world’s hard time, for now. The birth of anything can be a bloody horror. It can even look like death. Don’t be too afraid to see what comes on the other side of this awful spectacle.
So many Americans are rooting and wishing for the Iran war to turn out badly for Western Civ. And why? Because Trump. And why? Because at the same time he is ending Iran’s long-running nuclear blackmail game, he is terminating the rackets of the Democratic Party. The incipient changes in operational order create new categories of winners and losers.
Now you know why Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists run on the same track as America’s Woke-Jacobin-Marxists, including the pitifully deluded wine ladies of posh West LA, Grosse Point, Beacon Hill, Fairfax County, et cetera, whose brains have been hijacked by the cable news demon factory (and their sponsors). Chaos does everything possible to avoid meeting order.
And this is why passing the SAVE Act is as consequential as ridding the Middle East of its chief chaos agent. Do you realize how perfectly insane our country’s election procedure has become? The fraud is titanic and right in your face, and the remedy is so plain and simple. What possible excuse is there to thwart it? Non-citizens have no right to vote. Mail-in ballots are patently subject to chicanery. Vote tabulation machines are demonstrably hackable. 80-percent of Americans know this is the truth. How is there controversy over this?
How? Because among all the broken institutions in our country, Congress is the worst. The Congress of our time is demonstrating that we might not be worthy of governing ourselves. We are at a cycle-low for public rectitude. Anything goes and nothing matters as long as the campaign contributions keep rolling in. You see how this has been going.
~Snip~
So, Mr. Trump, for all his flaws, attempts to bring order out of chaos at home and in global relations, and the agents of chaos mightily resent the shut-down of their precious chaos. With Iran, it has come to fighting fire with fire. It’s unlikely that most of the people in that country seek to become martyrs. The cult of martyrdom is strictly the business of the maniacs who seized power there in 1979, a reign of terror, extended by proxy around the whole Middle East and beyond.
Entwined with Iran’s oil business, and the energy security of many nations, the mullahs inflect the trade of this primary resource with their chaos. The world cannot cope with chaos in the oil trade. The collapsing regime of the mullahs wants to go out turning the entire world into a martyr. Just like the Democratic Party wants to martyr the founding principles of the USA to preserve its matrix of moneygrubbing and power-seeking. These are two forces that require the most severe discipline and Mr. Trump is acting to impose exactly that. It’s painful to witness, but it must happen if we want to continue the human project as a reality-based enterprise.
So, heed what is at stake in the events unspooling. This is a dark moment in a journey back to daylight. Have faith. As the old American hymn goes: Farther along we’ll know more about it; farther along we’ll understand why.

Commentary:
John Kunstler's thesis reflects a common sentiment found in modern political commentary regarding the "old order" or "establishment." The idea suggests that entrenched leaders would rather see institutions fail than relinquish control.
Even posts on this board many of the discussions often center on whether the "death of American capitalism" or the dismantling of agencies like USAID represents a shift toward "oligarchic nihilism," where the ruling class prioritizes its own power over the survival of the system.
Certainly we've been warned by our forefathers and those that came after by people like Thomas Jefferson and
Abraham Lincoln who warned of the internal collapse of democracy if the 'Rights Of The People' were secondary to the interests of those in power.
Today's political landscape in the U.S. is marked by significant turmoil. Many believe that those in power are prioritizing their interests over the well-being of the nation. This has led to widespread discontent among the populace.
We saw that beginning in 2020 with the "Summer of Love" and the Stolen election followed by a pseudo presidency supposed led by an Alzheimer's riddled septuagenarian that began work at 12:00 PM and closed shop at 3:00 PM.
Indeed, many Americans wondered then who was really running the country.
Yet, today the same political leaders tell us the president elected to lead this country is tearing America apart.

Wait patiently for the collapse

 

[22lcidw]

You gotta be shittn' me. He is out for trump, not American. He just sells the MAGA routine blind followers. He should not have gone in, to help Israel with it's attack, though we should never have gotten in the way of Israel attacking Iran or it's proxies. But, the simple fact is nothing changed since he "obliterated" (his words) their nuclear program, and even his Secretary of State said Iran was not enriching. There was nothing that made him rush into this. He just chose to. The build up, for him was all on the military side, with no care for American's abroad or arrangements to get them out, as if the military build up was some kind of secret. Regional allies were not told. Heck our own front line and regional units, not directly involve from the jump weren't told. This probably led to some shooting down a plane or two of ours, by friendly fire.

Trump saw the love and savagery towards him from you guys. You guys just chose to. You did not even try to work with him. The first term with all that fun at the press conferences was just a tidbit. Of course, some of the forced established people in his administration sold him out quickly.

 

[BS Filter]

Bruised and battered by the democrat machine who tried everything they could think of and he beat them. How does it feel?

 

[my2¢]

Trump, June 2025: Iran's key nuclear sites were completely and fully obliterated.

 

[SaxonJackson]

You’re Watching the Old Order Collapse…​

and the People Who Built It Would Rather Burn America Down Than Lose Power​

Farther Along

"Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way." — General George S. Patton, Jr.

www.kunstler.com

9 Mar 2026 ~~ By John Howard Kunstler

Don’t lose the plot. Embrace the suck. This is the world’s hard time, for now. The birth of anything can be a bloody horror. It can even look like death. Don’t be too afraid to see what comes on the other side of this awful spectacle.
So many Americans are rooting and wishing for the Iran war to turn out badly for Western Civ. And why? Because Trump. And why? Because at the same time he is ending Iran’s long-running nuclear blackmail game, he is terminating the rackets of the Democratic Party. The incipient changes in operational order create new categories of winners and losers.
Now you know why Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists run on the same track as America’s Woke-Jacobin-Marxists, including the pitifully deluded wine ladies of posh West LA, Grosse Point, Beacon Hill, Fairfax County, et cetera, whose brains have been hijacked by the cable news demon factory (and their sponsors). Chaos does everything possible to avoid meeting order.
And this is why passing the SAVE Act is as consequential as ridding the Middle East of its chief chaos agent. Do you realize how perfectly insane our country’s election procedure has become? The fraud is titanic and right in your face, and the remedy is so plain and simple. What possible excuse is there to thwart it? Non-citizens have no right to vote. Mail-in ballots are patently subject to chicanery. Vote tabulation machines are demonstrably hackable. 80-percent of Americans know this is the truth. How is there controversy over this?
How? Because among all the broken institutions in our country, Congress is the worst. The Congress of our time is demonstrating that we might not be worthy of governing ourselves. We are at a cycle-low for public rectitude. Anything goes and nothing matters as long as the campaign contributions keep rolling in. You see how this has been going.
~Snip~
So, Mr. Trump, for all his flaws, attempts to bring order out of chaos at home and in global relations, and the agents of chaos mightily resent the shut-down of their precious chaos. With Iran, it has come to fighting fire with fire. It’s unlikely that most of the people in that country seek to become martyrs. The cult of martyrdom is strictly the business of the maniacs who seized power there in 1979, a reign of terror, extended by proxy around the whole Middle East and beyond.
Entwined with Iran’s oil business, and the energy security of many nations, the mullahs inflect the trade of this primary resource with their chaos. The world cannot cope with chaos in the oil trade. The collapsing regime of the mullahs wants to go out turning the entire world into a martyr. Just like the Democratic Party wants to martyr the founding principles of the USA to preserve its matrix of moneygrubbing and power-seeking. These are two forces that require the most severe discipline and Mr. Trump is acting to impose exactly that. It’s painful to witness, but it must happen if we want to continue the human project as a reality-based enterprise.
So, heed what is at stake in the events unspooling. This is a dark moment in a journey back to daylight. Have faith. As the old American hymn goes: Farther along we’ll know more about it; farther along we’ll understand why.

Commentary:
John Kunstler's thesis reflects a common sentiment found in modern political commentary regarding the "old order" or "establishment." The idea suggests that entrenched leaders would rather see institutions fail than relinquish control.
Even posts on this board many of the discussions often center on whether the "death of American capitalism" or the dismantling of agencies like USAID represents a shift toward "oligarchic nihilism," where the ruling class prioritizes its own power over the survival of the system.
Certainly we've been warned by our forefathers and those that came after by people like Thomas Jefferson and
Abraham Lincoln who warned of the internal collapse of democracy if the 'Rights Of The People' were secondary to the interests of those in power.
Today's political landscape in the U.S. is marked by significant turmoil. Many believe that those in power are prioritizing their interests over the well-being of the nation. This has led to widespread discontent among the populace.
We saw that beginning in 2020 with the "Summer of Love" and the Stolen election followed by a pseudo presidency supposed led by an Alzheimer's riddled septuagenarian that began work at 12:00 PM and closed shop at 3:00 PM.
Indeed, many Americans wondered then who was really running the country.
Yet, today the same political leaders tell us the president elected to lead this country is tearing America apart.

If by "the old order" you mean our Constitutional Republic then, yes, I'm opposed to replacing it or burning it down. Beyond the Bible, the most significant, important, and even sacred document ever penned is the Constitution of the United States. I will continue fighting to defend and preserve it. I'm opposed to the "Golden Age" of the emerging "One-World Government." Too bad if that offends the political magicians seeking to undermine or outright eliminate the greatest gift our Founding Fathers fought and died for.

If we're ready to let "the New Order" erase our Republic then all the soldiers who died defending it died for absolutely nothing. I realize that being a Constitutionalist and patriotic Conservative isn't nearly as popular today as it was in 2024 but I can't just cast is aside because a Republican is running the show. I'm far more beholden to tradition and patriotism than I am to politics.