Your rights aren't unlimited.

[Woodznutz]

Medicare is heavily subsidized

And it runs out. You’ll exceed what you paid in in a very short time

Medicare is subsidized by private insurance, "medigap", that one can buy, or one can pay the shortfall out of pocket.

 

[progressive hunter]

How do you pay for other people’s marriage?

its called taxs

 

[braalian]

Medicare is subsidized by private insurance that one must buy.

The point is you could easily wind up in a situation where you need government subsidized care

I pay into SSI and Medicare myself. I’ve been working since I was 14 year old. I could still find myself in a scenario where I need care that isn’t covered fully by that.

Anything can happen.

 

[Woodznutz]

The point is you could easily wind up in a situation where you need government subsidized care

I pay into SSI and Medicare myself. I’ve been working since I was 14 year old. I could still find myself in a scenario where I need care that isn’t covered fully by that.

Anything can happen.

True that.

 

[Foxfyre]

Your right to live any way you want ends at the point where you have to pick someone else's pocket to sustain it.

I always define an 'unalienable right' as the Founders intended as EVERYTHING that 1) does not violate the unalienable, civil or legal rights of anybody else and 2) requires no contribution or participation by anybody else.

In addition, via social contract, each society was intended to have the right to establish rules, laws, regulations that provided aesthetic or practical benefit to all. Such laws could include things like no littering, no disturbing the peace, no solicitations for personal gain, etc. and shared services like water/sewer lines, fire and police departments and such.

But once something requires contribution or participation by somebody else, it is no longer a right but a privilege. And nobody should have the right to violate the rights of others.

 

[Woodznutz]

I always define an 'unalienable right' as the Founders intended as EVERYTHING that 1) does not violate the unalienable, civil or legal rights of anybody else and 2) requires no contribution or participation by anybody else.

In addition, via social contract, each society was intended to have the right to establish rules, laws, regulations that provided aesthetic or practical benefit to all. Such laws could include things like no littering, no disturbing the peace, no solicitations for personal gain, etc. and shared services like water/sewer lines, fire and police departments and such.

But once something requires contribution or participation by somebody else, it is no longer a right but a privilege. And nobody should have the right to violate the rights of others.

The worst violation, imo, is the often-unnoticed failure to contribute even what is one's personal responsibilities to the community. Things like gainful employment, health, civil behavior (propriety), etc.

 

[task0778]

Tax (mine) subsidized healthcare.

You might need a nursing home someday, and you’ll need the Medicare that pays for it

I pay into Medicare. You're thinking of Medicaid.

Medicare is heavily subsidized

And it runs out. You’ll exceed what you paid in in a very short time

Healthcare is not a right.

 

[Woodznutz]

Healthcare is not a right.

Good health is a legacy that most have squandered.

 

[braalian]

Good health is a legacy that most have squandered.

Nobody stays healthy forever, unless they die young

 

[Concerned American]

I see a lot of people trying to dictate how others live that has nothing to do with anyone paying for anything at all

LOL, you're not paying attention. Anti smoking laws are telling people how to live so that others don't have to pay for their health issues. Motorcycle helmet laws use the same argument.

 

[Foxfyre]

The worst violation, imo, is the often-unnoticed failure to contribute even what is one's personal responsibilities to the community. Things like gainful employment, health, civil behavior (propriety), etc.

However I think that is somewhat different than the concept of unalienable rights. Yes, those who choose to be part of a community will have moral, ethical, legal responsibilities to that community. That might include defending the unalienable right of others or include suspension of one or more unalienable rights due to shared community values, paying taxes necessary for shared services and such.

For instance, again via social contract, community laws for propriety and decency usually include that certain kinds of businesses won't be allowed near a public school, that people may not expose certain body parts in public, or use lewd or offensive language/behavior and such. Or disallow some types of businesses altogether.

But the Founders would consider it a right for a person to choose to live as a hermit, off the grid, where he/she would have little or no contact with or responsibility to other people.

 

[Woodznutz]

Nobody stays healthy forever, unless they die young

Regardless of age life is better if you can maintain your health. Sadly, most take declining health as they age for granted and accept it as normal. I try to offer inspiration, but it mainly falls on deaf ears. Over the past 20 years or so many have commented on my health and vigor (I'm 'legendary' among my children's friends) but not a single person has ever asked me what my 'secret' is. I don't blame them as following my example would mean a drastic change in their lifestyles.

 

[initforme]

Healthcare is not a right.

Healthcare and dissatisfaction with it is going to become a major issue coming up, in the worlds wealthiest nation.

 

[Woodznutz]

Healthcare and dissatisfaction with it is going to become a major issue coming up, in the worlds wealthiest nation.

The wealthiest but not the brightest. The healthcare system doesn't make you healthy, it just patches you up so you can go back to work and pay your medical bills. Rinse and repeat.

 

[task0778]

Healthcare and dissatisfaction with it is going to become a major issue coming up, in the worlds wealthiest nation.

That is probably true, but healthcare is still not a right. Some people believe that your healthcare is your responsibility, not the gov'ts.

 

[Unkotare]

yes,,

marriage is religious not government

Marriage is a contract, therefore necessarily involving the government.

 

[Woodznutz]

That is probably true, but healthcare is still not a right. Some people believe that your healthcare is your responsibility, not the gov'ts.

We bow at the altar of the healthcare industry by...being sick.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Healthcare is not a right.

Says someone who has healthcare provided by the government.

Why is it that Germany and Japan, who we obliterated, have better healthcare than we do?

 

[Woodznutz]

Says someone who has healthcare provided by the government.

Why is it that Germany and Japan, who we obliterated, have better healthcare than we do?

Probably because of the nature of those peoples. Also, having huge trade surpluses with us doesn't hurt.

 

[initforme]

The wealthiest but not the brightest. The healthcare system doesn't make you healthy, it just patches you up so you can go back to work and pay your medical bills. Rinse and repeat.

Yep. Just like working. The nation uses a workers best years up, then discards one to the curb. Wake up, go to work, rinse and repeat. No time for people to de stress and relax.