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[Quantum Windbag]

There is no better time than today to bring back the WPA

Construction jobs are down, we need major infrastrcture upgrades, wages are low, interest rates are low

A perfect storm to encourage hiring millions of workers

Because plowing food into the ground during a food shortage is always good for the economy, right?

What's your problem with raising the value of crops in a depression?

"The Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) was a United States federal law of the New Deal era which reduced agricultural production by paying farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock.

"Its purpose was to reduce crop surplus and therefore effectively raise the value of crops..."

"The law, in its entirety, can be read here.

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, you defended government mandated waste, what a ******* surprise.

Let me ask you a few questions to show how ******* stupid you are, what is your problem with with allowing poor people to be able to afford food? Why should the government drive up food prices simply because there is a depression? I mean, think about it, are huge segment of the population is unemployment, can't afford food, and you think the best response to that is to drive up the cost of food.

You are so ******* stupid I can't even begin to find the words to describe it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What's your problem with raising the value of crops in a depression?

"The Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) was a United States federal law of the New Deal era which reduced agricultural production by paying farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock.

"Its purpose was to reduce crop surplus and therefore effectively raise the value of crops..."

"The law, in its entirety, can be read here.

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only a moron would think destroying perfectly good food is a rational economic policy.

Depends on the amount of surplus of the perfectly good food, doesn't it, Genius?

"When President Franklin Delano Roosevelt took office in 1933, America was in a severe economic depression.[7] 'Farmers faced the most severe economic situation and lowest agricultural prices since the 1890s.'[7] 'Overproduction and a shrinking international market had driven down agricultural prices.'[8]

"Soon after his election, Roosevelt called the Hundred Days Congress into session to address the crumbling economy.[8] From this Congress came the Agricultural Adjustment Administration.

"The Administration was tasked with decreasing agricultural surpluses.[8] "Wheat, cotton, field corn, hogs, rice, tobacco, and milk and its products were designated as basic commodities in the original legislation.

"Subsequent amendments in 1934 and 1935 expanded the list of basic commodities to include the following: rye, flax, barley, grain sorghums, cattle, peanuts, sugarbeets, sugarcane, and potatoes."[9]

"The Administration targeted these commodities for the following reasons:
Changes in the prices of these commodities had a strong affect on the prices of other important commodities.

"These commodities were already running a surplus at the time.

"These items each required some amount of processing before they could be consumed by humans"

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bripat owes an apology to morons.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What's your problem with raising the value of crops in a depression?

"The Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) was a United States federal law of the New Deal era which reduced agricultural production by paying farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock.

"Its purpose was to reduce crop surplus and therefore effectively raise the value of crops..."

"The law, in its entirety, can be read here.

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only a moron would think destroying perfectly good food is a rational economic policy.

And yet the government's been encouraging that for decades, hasn't it? On both Repug and Dummy watch sessions?

Which explains why I think we need less government, doesn't it?

 

[georgephillip]

Only a moron would think destroying perfectly good food is a rational economic policy.

And yet the government's been encouraging that for decades, hasn't it? On both Repug and Dummy watch sessions?

Which explains why I think we need less government, doesn't it?

It explains why you're gullible enough to believe in the invisible middle finger of the "free" market giving a flying **** for how many poor people starve, doesn't it, Dipshit?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

And yet the government's been encouraging that for decades, hasn't it? On both Repug and Dummy watch sessions?

Which explains why I think we need less government, doesn't it?

It explains why you're gullible enough to believe in the invisible middle finger of the "free" market giving a flying **** for how many poor people starve, doesn't it, Dipshit?

You just claimed that there was so much food that the only sensible thing was for the government to step in and destroy it to keep prices up, now you are claiming that all that food would have resulted in people starving.

Like I said, there isn't a word for how stupid you are.

 

[bripat9643]

And yet the government's been encouraging that for decades, hasn't it? On both Repug and Dummy watch sessions?

Which explains why I think we need less government, doesn't it?

It explains why you're gullible enough to believe in the invisible middle finger of the "free" market giving a flying **** for how many poor people starve, doesn't it, Dipshit?

Destroying perfectly good food is the way you prevent poor people from starving? I think we know who's giving poor people the middle finger, and it isn't the free market.

You just admitted that the FDR Administration was deliberately trying to drive up the price of food, and then you start blubbering about poor people starving. That's got to be one of the most spectacular performances of pure idiocy I've ever seen in this forum.

 

[georgephillip]

Because plowing food into the ground during a food shortage is always good for the economy, right?

What's your problem with raising the value of crops in a depression?

"The Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) was a United States federal law of the New Deal era which reduced agricultural production by paying farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock.

"Its purpose was to reduce crop surplus and therefore effectively raise the value of crops..."

"The law, in its entirety, can be read here.

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, you defended government mandated waste, what a ******* surprise.

Let me ask you a few questions to show how ******* stupid you are, what is your problem with with allowing poor people to be able to afford food? Why should the government drive up food prices simply because there is a depression? I mean, think about it, are huge segment of the population is unemployment, can't afford food, and you think the best response to that is to drive up the cost of food.

You are so ******* stupid I can't even begin to find the words to describe it.

Describe when you first stated caring about "poor people" like sharecroppers:

"For most tenants and sharecroppers the AAA was a major help.

"Frey and Smith concluded, 'To the extent that the AAA control-program has been responsible for the increased price [of cotton], we conclude that it has increased the amount of goods and services consumed by the cotton tenants and croppers area.'

"Furthermore the landowners typically let the tenants and croppers use the land taken out of cotton production for their own personal use in growing food and feed crops, which further increased their standard of living.

"Another consequence was that the historic high levels of turnover from year to year declined sharply, as tenants and croppers tend to stay with the same landowner."

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[regent]

Farmers were losing their farms because it cost them more to produce crops than they could sell the crops for. During the war farmers had been encouraged to produce more, and with the war over they continued to overproduce and as prices continued down the farmers produced even more.
Add to that the banks failing and refusing to pay depositors their money. Seems the banks had taken a fling at the stock market and lost it all. Not too worry, however, Republicans were ready to loan money to businesses but the businesses didn't need the money because they had few customers to buy their products. FDR realized that farmers and business had to make a profit so programs came into being.

 

[georgephillip]

Which explains why I think we need less government, doesn't it?

It explains why you're gullible enough to believe in the invisible middle finger of the "free" market giving a flying **** for how many poor people starve, doesn't it, Dipshit?

Destroying perfectly good food is the way you prevent poor people from starving? I think we know who's giving poor people the middle finger, and it isn't the free market.

You just admitted that the FDR Administration was deliberately trying to drive up the price of food, and then you start blubbering about poor people starving. That's got to be one of the most spectacular performances of pure idiocy I've ever seen in this forum.

How many tons of "perfectly good food" were destroyed by the AAA?
The best example of pure idiocy you'll ever see is in your mirror.

 

[eagle1462010]

And yet the government's been encouraging that for decades, hasn't it? On both Repug and Dummy watch sessions?

Which explains why I think we need less government, doesn't it?

It explains why you're gullible enough to believe in the invisible middle finger of the "free" market giving a flying **** for how many poor people starve, doesn't it, Dipshit?

Government is the problem. Every dang time it butts the hell into it. It is Gov't stupidity that has caused most of the problems and not the Free Market it self.

Capitalism works period. Socialism has a long history of absolute failure.

Our current problems are from Crony Capitalism based on the manipulation of the Markets with Fiat Money. aka the Derivative explosions allowed by a Gov't law that ended another law that was designed to prevent another depression. The same dang thing happened in the Great Depression.

On to the Farm Subsidies. Currently we pay farmers not to farm, including the Corps and their favorite Congressmen and women. Paid to allow land to remain idle. It does hit the poor more in prices at the stores and hurts them. Add in another Gov't BS, Enviro Wack Law requiring alternate fuels. aka Ethanol. Which now uses 40% of the corn crops to make fuel, which produce more pollution than using the corn as intended for food, and feed for cash crop animals, and low and behold people see higher prices at the store as a result. ALL DONE BY GOV'T INTERFERENCE.............

Again another failure of the Gov't sticking it's nose into every dang thing, causing the problem, and then blaming others.

I blame them all and see the bigger picture. It's called REALITY. Another party manipulates the data to curve the truth to their twisted logic and reasoning to WANT MORE GOV'T.

It's kind of like having an Arsonist, who burned down your house, tell you how to rebuild it.

Our Founders understood that the Gov't must be limited in power. Because they realized that the few would turn Freedom into tyranny via the law. They were right, and it's time to put a dang leash on the Gov't as intended.

 

[bripat9643]

It explains why you're gullible enough to believe in the invisible middle finger of the "free" market giving a flying **** for how many poor people starve, doesn't it, Dipshit?

Destroying perfectly good food is the way you prevent poor people from starving? I think we know who's giving poor people the middle finger, and it isn't the free market.

You just admitted that the FDR Administration was deliberately trying to drive up the price of food, and then you start blubbering about poor people starving. That's got to be one of the most spectacular performances of pure idiocy I've ever seen in this forum.

How many tons of "perfectly good food" were destroyed by the AAA?
The best example of pure idiocy you'll ever see is in your mirror.

You just said the policy of the AAA was to destroy perfectly good food. Are you denying it know? You can't seem to make up your mind as to whether you are coming or going.

 

[bripat9643]

What's your problem with raising the value of crops in a depression?

"The Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) was a United States federal law of the New Deal era which reduced agricultural production by paying farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock.

"Its purpose was to reduce crop surplus and therefore effectively raise the value of crops..."

"The law, in its entirety, can be read here.

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, you defended government mandated waste, what a ******* surprise.

Let me ask you a few questions to show how ******* stupid you are, what is your problem with with allowing poor people to be able to afford food? Why should the government drive up food prices simply because there is a depression? I mean, think about it, are huge segment of the population is unemployment, can't afford food, and you think the best response to that is to drive up the cost of food.

You are so ******* stupid I can't even begin to find the words to describe it.

Describe when you first stated caring about "poor people" like sharecroppers:

"For most tenants and sharecroppers the AAA was a major help.

"Frey and Smith concluded, 'To the extent that the AAA control-program has been responsible for the increased price [of cotton], we conclude that it has increased the amount of goods and services consumed by the cotton tenants and croppers area.'

"Furthermore the landowners typically let the tenants and croppers use the land taken out of cotton production for their own personal use in growing food and feed crops, which further increased their standard of living.

"Another consequence was that the historic high levels of turnover from year to year declined sharply, as tenants and croppers tend to stay with the same landowner."

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You seem to forget that sharecroppers weren't the only poor people in America. There were millions of poor people that would have been perfectly happy to have the food that the AAA destroyed. The government doesn't not improve the material well being of Americans by destroying a product that farmers spent time and money to produce.

If there are too many farmers producing a crop, then some of them need to go out of business. You see, capitalism is a "profit and loss" system. If the government props up every business that isn't producing what the consumers demand, then we would be stuck forever with a lot of products that no one wants. We would have vast warehouses full of buggy whips and Kerosene lamps.

By destroying food the FDR Administration only delayed the inevitable, and it cost American consumers millions or even billions of dollars in doing so.

That is the ultimate example of stupid government policy.

 

[eagle1462010]

It explains why you're gullible enough to believe in the invisible middle finger of the "free" market giving a flying **** for how many poor people starve, doesn't it, Dipshit?

Destroying perfectly good food is the way you prevent poor people from starving? I think we know who's giving poor people the middle finger, and it isn't the free market.

You just admitted that the FDR Administration was deliberately trying to drive up the price of food, and then you start blubbering about poor people starving. That's got to be one of the most spectacular performances of pure idiocy I've ever seen in this forum.

How many tons of "perfectly good food" were destroyed by the AAA?
The best example of pure idiocy you'll ever see is in your mirror.

WWII killed 80 to 100 million people. I had to research the estimated number for the exact amount. Less mouths to feed.

During the War the U.S. was providing the world with the tools of War, and FOOD, as many countries simply weren't able to produce their norm because of the War.

After the War, they were no longer on the battle field our factories, and thus able to grow more food and as a result production of commodities increased. Thus demand went down.

Our Gov't then manipulated the system by artificially paying to not farm, which still continues today. This was a different time and place than today. The situation evolved and the Gov't didn't evolve with it. It created a never ending bill to the tax payer instead of allowing the system to correct itself.

The system would have fixed itself. Some farmers would have to find other areas of work, while others would remain. That is how it's supposed to work, and not the other way around. The fix was a poison to the poor btw...........As it drove up prices to those least able to afford the products.

You can't swing a double bladed sword without cutting another area. In FDR's social policy, he decided to favor the benefits of one side without thinking of the consequences to the other side. Helping some, while hurting others. It's reality, and Socialist always go the route of GOV'T over the Free Markets to make endless payments to the tax payers. and then IGNORE THE TRUTH that their very policies hurt the poor.

 

[georgephillip]

Granted.

But I still have no clue how we're gonna pay for it.

We can't keep floating bond issues forever.

Even the Chinese aren't dumb enough to buy another massive issue, the way things stand nowadays.

FDR taxed rich individuals and corporations to cover the New Deal; possibly we could do the same and sell infrastructure improvement bonds to the public at large, much like War Bonds helped finance the Second Great Capitalist War of the 20th century?

You are one vast fountain of bad ideas. FDR made the depressions last for 12 years. That's what his heavy taxes on the rich and "infrastructure improvement" boondoggles did for the country.

"Among the programs and institutions of the New Deal that aided in recovery from the Great Depression were the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA), which built dams and hydroelectric projects to control flooding and provide electric power to the impoverished Tennessee Valley region of the South, and the Works Project Administration (WPA), a permanent jobs program that employed 8.5 million people from 1935 to 1943.

"After showing early signs of recovery beginning in the spring of 1933, the economy continued to improve throughout the next three years, during which real GDP (adjusted for inflation) grew at an average rate of 9 percent per year.

"A sharp recession hit in 1937, caused in part by the Federal Reserve’s decision to increase its requirements for money in reserve.

"Though the economy began improving again in 1938, this second severe contraction reversed many of the gains in production and employment and prolonged the effects of the Great Depression through the end of the decade."

The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

 

[eagle1462010]

FDR taxed rich individuals and corporations to cover the New Deal; possibly we could do the same and sell infrastructure improvement bonds to the public at large, much like War Bonds helped finance the Second Great Capitalist War of the 20th century?

You are one vast fountain of bad ideas. FDR made the depressions last for 12 years. That's what his heavy taxes on the rich and "infrastructure improvement" boondoggles did for the country.

"Among the programs and institutions of the New Deal that aided in recovery from the Great Depression were the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA), which built dams and hydroelectric projects to control flooding and provide electric power to the impoverished Tennessee Valley region of the South, and the Works Project Administration (WPA), a permanent jobs program that employed 8.5 million people from 1935 to 1943.

"After showing early signs of recovery beginning in the spring of 1933, the economy continued to improve throughout the next three years, during which real GDP (adjusted for inflation) grew at an average rate of 9 percent per year.

"A sharp recession hit in 1937, caused in part by the Federal Reserve’s decision to increase its requirements for money in reserve.

"Though the economy began improving again in 1938, this second severe contraction reversed many of the gains in production and employment and prolonged the effects of the Great Depression through the end of the decade."

The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

And who failed to regulate the markets back then.............................

Allowed Margin trading to hell and back then, with only 10% to back up MASSIVE GAMBLING......................

The Gov't didn't do it's Freakin job back then, DESTROYED the ECONOMY and came back to SAY WE ARE HERE TO HELP..............

Brings me back to allowing the arsonist to build your dang house after burning it.

 

[georgephillip]

Destroying perfectly good food is the way you prevent poor people from starving? I think we know who's giving poor people the middle finger, and it isn't the free market.

You just admitted that the FDR Administration was deliberately trying to drive up the price of food, and then you start blubbering about poor people starving. That's got to be one of the most spectacular performances of pure idiocy I've ever seen in this forum.

How many tons of "perfectly good food" were destroyed by the AAA?
The best example of pure idiocy you'll ever see is in your mirror.

You just said the policy of the AAA was to destroy perfectly good food. Are you denying it know? You can't seem to make up your mind as to whether you are coming or going.

You were the first moron(post #394) to say use the words "destroying perfectly good food", remember?

FDR's AAA paid farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock in order to reduce crop surplus and raise the value of crops.

 

[eagle1462010]

How many tons of "perfectly good food" were destroyed by the AAA?
The best example of pure idiocy you'll ever see is in your mirror.

You just said the policy of the AAA was to destroy perfectly good food. Are you denying it know? You can't seem to make up your mind as to whether you are coming or going.

You were the first moron(post #394) to say use the words "destroying perfectly good food", remember?

FDR's AAA paid farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock in order to reduce crop surplus and raise the value of crops.

Which rose prices to every American........................

and allowed for a Gov't bill for every day since................

Even today as we still pay billions for a program under FDR..........

Instead of allowing the market to fix itself............

But hey, money grows on trees right.............................

 

[bripat9643]

How many tons of "perfectly good food" were destroyed by the AAA?
The best example of pure idiocy you'll ever see is in your mirror.

You just said the policy of the AAA was to destroy perfectly good food. Are you denying it know? You can't seem to make up your mind as to whether you are coming or going.

You were the first moron(post #394) to say use the words "destroying perfectly good food", remember?

FDR's AAA paid farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock in order to reduce crop surplus and raise the value of crops.

In other words, the government destroyed perfectly good food. And like a true moron you applaud this policy.

 

[georgephillip]

You just said the policy of the AAA was to destroy perfectly good food. Are you denying it know? You can't seem to make up your mind as to whether you are coming or going.

You were the first moron(post #394) to say use the words "destroying perfectly good food", remember?

FDR's AAA paid farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock in order to reduce crop surplus and raise the value of crops.

In other words, the government destroyed perfectly good food. And like a true moron you applaud this policy.

What perfectly good food do you think the government destroyed?

 

[eagle1462010]

Riddle me this.............................

Certain people praise the policies of the past...........

A policy designed to make all pay more for food..............

That requires more tax revenues to pay for it................

And say it's a good thing....................

Which party would be the ones pushing for more of this.......................

The policy of Stupidity.