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You could tell us how a Christian America would be bad for America…but you can’t so you won’t. Weird huh Canon Shooter ?
your opinions and your are free to state them--- until the dems cancel the first amendment, and believer me that is one of their goals.But you stated that as fact.
Religion and politics are very, very, closely related, in that both address how people should live and treat each other. Additionally, these beliefs are held often with next to no reason or facts behind them, but are dogmatically embraced nonetheless. It reminds me of socialists who have no inkling as to the horrors committed by previous socialist governments, or even the current ones like in NK or Venezuela .
That is why they are both so bitterly contested and avoided in many conversations.
Admitting to believing in a deity behind it all seems secondary other than admitting that man is flawed no matter his positions on such things in some way, and will be held to account by the higher deity.
the constitution prohibits that and its not going to happen. But maybe you could move to north korea where Kim Jung Un is God.It would be bad for every single person who's not a christian, being forced to live under christian rule and subjected to punishments for breaking christian doctrine.
Zealots like you would love it. Decent, sane Americans would not...
If you read the New Testament, you will notice many Scriptures talking about fake believers, wolves in sheep's clothing, false teachers, etc. Nothing new.Plenty of Christians and Christian churches support abortion rights. The Democrat in the Georgia Senate race soon to be put to a runoff is a Baptist preacher who supports abortion rights.
Plenty of Christians and Christian churches support same-sex marriage. Gay couples are married in such churches. My mother in law is leaving the Episcopal Church I believe due to its acceptance of same-sex married pastors.
If government sticks with its legitimate function, which is to preserve rights, no joining of church and state is ever needed.
If you want government to be part of the church and vice versa, my question is which church? Declining to select a church, i.e. establish a religion, does not equal an atheist state.
You need to pay closer attention to who you're addressing.the constitution prohibits that and its not going to happen. But maybe you could move to north korea where Kim Jung Un is God.
nor am I . I think we are on the same page on this.You need to pay closer attention to who you're addressing.
I'm not the one advocating for a christian nation...
nor am I . I think we are on the same page on this.
So now you’re moving the goalposts….this thread nor my posts were about “forcing“ anyone to practice Christianity.It would be bad for every single person who's not a christian, being forced to live under christian rule and subjected to punishments for breaking christian doctrine.
Zealots like you would love it. Decent, sane Americans would not...
Hahaha…again, you have a very inaccurate personal theory….since the entire Declaration Of Independence is riddled with Christianity.Calling me a "lefty" only puts your monumental ignorance on display. How stupid of you to think that someone who doesn't want this to be a "christian" nation can't be a conservative.
Don't be an idiot.
The fact of the matter is that what the founders did was remarkably complex. The founding of a nation can't be an easy thing to do. Yet they seem to have dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's in every single other aspect of what they undertook.
It would simply take a special kind of stupid to believe that they fucked this part up.
We're not a christian nation. We're never going to be a christian nation.
Sucks, huh??
LOL!
Negative…they fled monarchy rule and religious persecution….they didn’t flee Christianity1. It's what the people who founded this country fled from.
Protestant Christianity2. Whose Christianity is represented? Jerry Falwell Jr's? The Southern Baptist?
Nah…an all white America would be boring….a likeminded citizenry, one language, total unification, clean cities, few rapes and murders to talk about….nah….BORING.3. What you really mean is a "white America".
So now you’re moving the goalposts….this thread nor my posts were about “forcing“ anyone to practice Christianity.
I’ve noticed you’ve yet to point us to one of those immoral, godless communities that are clean, safe, united and prosperous….Why is that?
Hahaha…again, you have a very inaccurate personal theory….since the entire Declaration Of Independence is riddled with Christianity.
Stop touching yourself, clone.….a likeminded citizenry, one language, total unification, clean cities, ....
Nothing you've ever posted here suggests you are anything like a "good person" or that you've ever done "good things," loser..…good people doing good things ...
Only to engage in religious persecution almost immediately upon arrival on these shores.Negative…they fled monarchy rule and religious persecution…....
The Declaration has nothing to do with the law of the land.Hahaha…again, you have a very inaccurate personal theory….since the entire Declaration Of Independence is riddled with Christianity.
thought you were someone else, lets move onI'm just trying to figure out why you told me I should move to North Korea...
Mashmont’s earlier thread and his thoughts in this one make me feel like vomiting.
I think the phrase SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE first came up (or came into prominence) in a letter from Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists.
The framers seem to me to be Deists, especially Jefferson, not opposed to Christianity, nor specifically espousing it.
I am a Christian, but not one like Mashmont.
You people might remember my excellent thread calling for the US to become a Christian Nation It’s Time to Formally Declare America A Christian Nation. In it, I made the airtight case that separation of church and state is impossible, has never happened, and cannot ever happen, and should be amended out of the Constitution. Let's face it. The framers made a mistake, just like they did in calling blacks 3/5 human.
Separation of Church and state is possible with most laws: No littering, no running a red light, etc. But there are some laws, the most important ones, where separation is impossible without creating an atheist state. In order to have actual separation of church and state, you have to have laws which the Catholic Church and other Christians can't follow in good conscience. In other words, atheist laws. Therefore abortion and gay marriage cannot be reconciled with separation of church and state without creating an atheist state. Leftist atheists say the current reversal of Roe v Wade violates separation of church and state because it pushes religious values. I say allowing abortion makes the state tantamount to an atheist state.
I would also add the Supreme Court declared atheism a religion in 1961, so why are we favoring the religion of atheism over the Christian religions? Again, separation of church and state is impossible, so let's scrap it and done with it.
I challenge anyone in the forum who claim to want separation of church and state (probably most people) tp reconcile the issues of abortion and gay marriage with the First Amendment without promoting the religion of atheism. I guarantee no one will be able to do it.
