Zone1 You didn’t choose your faith. It chose you.

Did I make the claim that people have no choice? A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.

Again… If you don’t agree with the OP then I am mistaken. But if you do, then I am correct.

I’ll take that as a “no”. I suggest that you try being objective in addressing what is actually said. I don’t want to have to keep correcting you.


I’m sure you believe you have choices. It’s just that you don’t believe others have choices.

This was completely fabricated from you. Stop doing that.
 
I’ll take that as a “no”. I suggest that you try being objective in addressing what is actually said. I don’t want to have to keep correcting you.




This was completely fabricated from you. Stop doing that.
Again… If you don’t agree with the OP then I am mistaken. But if you do, then I am correct.
 
Again… If you don’t agree with the OP then I am mistaken. But if you do, then I am correct.

How about you try being objective in responding to what I actually say instead of making these assumptions that I have to keep correcting you on?

I don't think that's asking too much.
 
How about you try being objective in responding to what I actually say instead of making these assumptions that I have to keep correcting you on?

I don't think that's asking too much.
Again… If you don’t agree with the OP then I am mistaken. But if you do, then I am correct.

Go ahead and say you don’t agree with the OP.
 
I had an interesting exchange with another poster who made a comparison between religious beliefs and geographical location. To expand on this, my question is: why are you an American?

I don't know about you all, but I can choose to live wherever I want. I choose to be an American. But why? Well I like it here. It's kind of nice. I grew up here. My family and friends are here. My career is here. It's comfortable and familiar to me. If I had been born in another country, would I still choose to be an American? Probably not, to be honest. If I had been born and raised in, say Norway, I'd probably be just as comfortable settling there because it's what I grew up with and what I'm comfortable with. My choice to be American is heavily dependent on the choice my parents made when they raised me.

Back when I was going through my college courses, our instructors had more important things to deal with than creating seating charts. We had the choice to sit wherever we wanted. Why did I choose to sit in the same seat every day? Why did most of my peers do the same? Well, it's a good seat. I liked it there. It was comfortable and familiar to me. If I had sat in a different seat on my first day, would I make the choice to seek out this particular seat? Probably not. My choice to seek out that seat every day, or at least somewhere around it, was heavily impacted by where I happened to sit on my first day.

We're drawn toward what we're familiar with. That's not to say that we have no choice in the matter because we clearly do, and some people break away from those trends. But there are most certainly trends that accurately describe many. American parents tend to have children who choose to settle in America. Texan parents tend to have children who choose to settle in Texas. Most of the students in my classes had a tendency to sit in the same area.

I would argue that these tendencies go beyond physical locations and into ideological convictions. Christian parents tend to have Christian children. Muslim parents tend to have Muslim children. Atheist parents tend to have atheist children. Conservative parents tend to have conservative children. Etc. I don't believe that any of this is a coincidence. We have the choice to break away from any of this, but we're also drawn toward what we're comfortable and familiar with. Our choices are heavily dependent on the choices of our parents.

Had you been raised in a different country, speaking a different language, raised by parents with different religious beliefs, would you still choose to end where you are now with the same religious beliefs you hold today?
 
I had an interesting exchange with another poster who made a comparison between religious beliefs and geographical location. To expand on this, my question is: why are you an American?

I don't know about you all, but I can choose to live wherever I want. I choose to be an American. But why? Well I like it here. It's kind of nice. I grew up here. My family and friends are here. My career is here. It's comfortable and familiar to me. If I had been born in another country, would I still choose to be an American? Probably not, to be honest. If I had been born and raised in, say Norway, I'd probably be just as comfortable settling there because it's what I grew up with and what I'm comfortable with. My choice to be American is heavily dependent on the choice my parents made when they raised me.

Back when I was going through my college courses, our instructors had more important things to deal with than creating seating charts. We had the choice to sit wherever we wanted. Why did I choose to sit in the same seat every day? Why did most of my peers do the same? Well, it's a good seat. I liked it there. It was comfortable and familiar to me. If I had sat in a different seat on my first day, would I make the choice to seek out this particular seat? Probably not. My choice to seek out that seat every day, or at least somewhere around it, was heavily impacted by where I happened to sit on my first day.

We're drawn toward what we're familiar with. That's not to say that we have no choice in the matter because we clearly do, and some people break away from those trends. But there are most certainly trends that accurately describe many. American parents tend to have children who choose to settle in America. Texan parents tend to have children who choose to settle in Texas. Most of the students in my classes had a tendency to sit in the same area.

I would argue that these tendencies go beyond physical locations and into ideological convictions. Christian parents tend to have Christian children. Muslim parents tend to have Muslim children. Atheist parents tend to have atheist children. Conservative parents tend to have conservative children. Etc. I don't believe that any of this is a coincidence. We have the choice to break away from any of this, but we're also drawn toward what we're comfortable and familiar with. Our choices are heavily dependent on the choices of our parents.

Had you been raised in a different country, speaking a different language, raised by parents with different religious beliefs, would you still choose to end where you are now with the same religious beliefs you hold today?
So, no choice?
 
Why did I choose to sit in the same seat every day? Why did most of my peers do the same? Well, it's a good seat. I liked it there. It was comfortable and familiar to me.
Ever watch The Big Bang Theory? Sheldon had a spot where he had to sit all the time. He knew exactly why he chose that spot, remember? As a child, Sheldon grew up in Texas but as an adult,lived in California. And, Sheldon hated change.
 
Ever watch The Big Bang Theory? Sheldon had a spot where he had to sit all the time. He knew exactly why he chose that spot, remember? As a child, Sheldon grew up in Texas but as an adult,lived in California. And, Sheldon hated change.
Two things:

That’s a fictional character, so it’s irrelevant.

A single example doesn’t refute an overall trend.
 
Not exactly but it’s not exactly isn’t either. Hence the clarifying question.

Because everything is choice. Your post seemed to dispute that.

I didn’t dispute the existence of choice.
 
Not only is that statement completely ridiculous, but it also has absolutely nothing to do with the topic that is being discussed.

Please try harder.
The statement is not ridiculous.

How many times have we seen the Left blame society for the choices of others? I see it all the time. We see the Left blame society for the increased incarceration rates for Blacks, saying it is all because of systemic racism, for example.

Inherently, we all want to do what we want to do without any accountability. The best way to then do so is to tell yourself that you had no real choice in your choices to feel better about moral failings. Deluding ourselves like this has a soothing effect......for a time.
 
If a television character is the best you can come up with…
Shrug. It went right over your head that people choose the familiar for different reasons--and, that even people who are set against moving from their childhood homes often do. It's so common, it even crops up in novels, movies, and television.

Going back to religion and people of faith: Both Judaism and Christianity teach that God's laws are written in the human heart. Atheists note the same in the form of as humans evolved, these things came a part of human nature. With these roots, the growing plant can be shaped differently depending on culture and beliefs. What is also true, is that in the analogy of "plant" is the truth that each plant plays a part in its own shaping. Truly different shapes can be found just as easily in those who remain in the same place and beliefs; and less growth and shaping can also be found on those who "moved on."

For those who choose no faith/belief: Doesn't it boil down to they don't want to be bothered? Some are so sensitive, other people practicing religion and faith is a bother to them. Why is that?
 
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Shrug. It went right over your head that people choose the familiar for different reasons--and, that even people who are set against moving from their childhood homes often do. It's so common, it even crops up in novels, movies, and television.

Going back to religion and people of faith: Both Judaism and Christianity teach that God's laws are written in the human heart. Atheists note the same in the form of as humans evolved, these things came a part of human nature. With these roots, the growing plant can be shaped differently depending on culture and beliefs. What is also true, is that in the analogy of "plant" is the truth that each plant plays a part in its own shaping. Truly different shapes can be found just as easily in those who remain in the same place and beliefs; and less growth and shaping can also be found on those who "moved on."

For those who choose no faith/belief: Doesn't it boil down to they don't want to be bothered? Some are so sensitive, other people practicing religion and faith is a bother to them. Why is that?

I don’t think it’s uncommon for people to stay near where they grew up for the reason you described.

I bet you all stayed in the same country you were raised in, right? Must be a total coincidence, right?

I believe you said that some of your siblings moved out of state. How many of you were there and how many of you moved out of state?
 
The statement is not ridiculous.

How many times have we seen the Left blame society for the choices of others? I see it all the time. We see the Left blame society for the increased incarceration rates for Blacks, saying it is all because of systemic racism, for example.

Inherently, we all want to do what we want to do without any accountability. The best way to then do so is to tell yourself that you had no real choice in your choices to feel better about moral failings. Deluding ourselves like this has a soothing effect......for a time.

I think you have something on your mind that you really want to discuss. But it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic, and doesn’t even connect to the “religion” sub-forum.

I suggest starting a new topic in the appropriate section.
 
How many times have we seen the Left blame society for the choices of others? I see it all the time. We see the Left blame society for the increased incarceration rates for Blacks, saying it is all because of systemic racism, for example.

- the truth never settles well for the crucifiers ...
 

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