Yet Some Claim Ukraine isn’t Held Enthrall By Nazis

[Muhammed]

In our decadent times, a man can call himself a woman and participate in women's sports. And such a man is supposed to be taken at his word.
Normal people consider this to be perverse and idiotic.
Just as surely, some idiots, even after almost 100 years and a wealth of evidence to the contrary, still continue to believe that since the demagogue Hitler (exploiting the popularity of socialist ideas among germans) called himself a socialist, then that must be the case.
Muhammad, it's you:

Hitler implemented a centralized state-controlled command economy and took state control of both the the production and distribution of goods. That's socialism.

Just because he hated Marxists and Bolsheviks doesn't mean he wasn't a socialist. Newsflash: Marx didn't invent socialism. Not all socialists are Marxists.

The National Socialist German Workers Party was 100% socialist. Just one of many leftist movements that caused disaster to millions.

 

[Ringo]

Hitler implemented a centralized state-controlled command economy and took state control of both the the production and distribution of goods. That's socialism.

When the state takes control, it is not necessarily socialism. If this control is used to enrich big capital (the German military and paramilitary industry), then what kind of socialism can we talk about? Fascism/Nazism is the power of financial/industrial capital without any democratic trappings.

That's socialism:
Where are the signs of nazi Germany here?

-Public ownership: Instead of private owners, factories, plants, and land belong to the whole society or the state, which manages them on its behalf.

-Social equality and justice: The ideology seeks to eliminate social inequality and make society more just for all its members. Internationalism and the defense of freedom and equality for all peoples and the fight against chauvinism.

-The principle of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his work”: The principle of distribution of wealth is often expressed as “from each according to their ability, to each according to their work,” meaning that people are rewarded according to their contribution to the common cause.

-Opposition to capitalism: Socialism is opposed to capitalism, in which the means of production are privately owned and the goal is to make a profit.

 

[georgephillip]

Yes indeed, they are too stupid to see all the illegal wars they have started will be the cause of many people wanting to flee those Countries, there is a big debate in the UK about how to combat irregular immigrants coming into the Country, they think they can learn from Denmark, what they forget is Denmark doesn't have the Colonial and Imperialistic History of the UK.

The overwhelming majority of Americans are groomed from birth to believe their country is a "good guy" on the world stage; imho, nothing could be further from the truth.

The crimes of imperialism seem to have a way of coming home as empires decline:

Chris Hedges | The Folly of Empire

"The last days of empire are carnivals of folly.

"We are in the midst of our own, plunging forward as our leaders court willful economic and environmental self-destruction.

"Sumer and Rome went down like this.

"So did the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian empires.

"Men and women of stunning mediocrity and depravity led the monarchies of Europe and Russia on the eve of World War I.

"And America has, in its own decline, offered up its share of weaklings, dolts and morons to steer it to destruction."

Chris Hedges wrote the quote above 12 years ago long before the malignant narcissist Trump came to power in the US; it is hard for me to believe anything fundamental will change when Trump leaves office.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Biletsky raised to Brigadier General by Zelenskyy.

Ukraine Promotes Neo-Nazi to Brigadier General | The Libertarian Institute

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky promoted Colonel Andriy Biletsky to the rank of Brigadier General. Biletsky has said the purpose of the Ukrainian right is to fight the “Semitic-led untermenschen [subhumans].” “To confer the military rank of brigadier general on Colonel Andriy Yevhenovych...

libertarianinstitute.org

From the article:
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky promoted Colonel Andriy Biletsky to the rank of Brigadier General. Biletsky has said the purpose of the Ukrainian right is to fight the “Semitic-led untermenschen [subhumans].”
“To confer the military rank of brigadier general on Colonel Andriy Yevhenovych Biletsky, commander of the 3rd Army Corps of the ‘East’ Operational Command of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” the presidential decree signed Wednesday said.

Nobody said there aren't Nazis, or fascists, in the Ukraine. They're in most countries of the world.

 

[JWBooth]

Nobody said there aren't Nazis, or fascists, in the Ukraine. They're in most countries of the world.

They drive policy nowhere else.

 

[georgephillip]

Nobody said there aren't Nazis, or fascists, in the Ukraine. They're in most countries of the world.

Do you think it's a good idea for the US to support white supremacists anywhere?

 

[alang1216]

The overwhelming majority of Americans are groomed from birth to believe their country is a "good guy" on the world stage; imho, nothing could be further from the truth.

That is what we believe but that makes us no different than any other country. We are no better but no worse than others.

The crimes of imperialism seem to have a way of coming home as empires decline:

Chris Hedges | The Folly of Empire

"The last days of empire are carnivals of folly.

"We are in the midst of our own, plunging forward as our leaders court willful economic and environmental self-destruction.

"Sumer and Rome went down like this.

"So did the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian empires.

"Men and women of stunning mediocrity and depravity led the monarchies of Europe and Russia on the eve of World War I.

"And America has, in its own decline, offered up its share of weaklings, dolts and morons to steer it to destruction."

Chris Hedges wrote the quote above 12 years ago long before the malignant narcissist Trump came to power in the US; it is hard for me to believe anything fundamental will change when Trump leaves office.

The European Imperialists were not different than any other power that came before them. The difference is that the West no longer considers colonialism and conquest to be desirable. In contrast to Russia that wants to resurrect their Czarist empire.

 

[JWBooth]

The overwhelming majority of Americans are groomed from birth to believe their country is a "good guy" on the world stage; imho, nothing could be further from the truth.

I think that pretty much covers everyone everywhere.

That is what we believe but that makes us no different than any other country. We are no better but no worse than others.

What makes us worse is we have the power and will to impose those fool notions on most of the globe.

 

[Deadstick]

Nobody said there aren't Nazis, or fascists, in the Ukraine. They're in most countries of the world.

I don't know of any open officially Nazi Battalions in the UK or the US army like Azov in Ukraine, do you have a KKK division in the Marines?

 

[Deadstick]

That is what we believe but that makes us no different than any other country. We are no better but no worse than others.


The European Imperialists were not different than any other power that came before them. The difference is that the West no longer considers colonialism and conquest to be desirable. In contrast to Russia that wants to resurrect their Czarist empire.

I thought it was the Soviet Union they wanted to resurrect, it's total nonsense, however some European Countries are trying to resurrect Colonialism that is why the French have been ejected from Countries like Mali, so now the French support Islamist terrorism against Mali, the method of Imperialism has changed the Colonialists don't deploy large armed forces anymore they use economics and terrorism.

 

[Muhammed]

Nobody said there aren't Nazis, or fascists, in the Ukraine. They're in most countries of the world.

And the Democrats support them. They sent arms directly to the Azov Regiment and other Nazi militia. There are not like the harmless hideaway Idaho Nazi LARPers or attention seeking Illinois Nazis.

These are the Nazis who in Odessa in 2014 attacked people who were peacefully protesting against the US orchestrated coup. Many of the protestors sought refuge from the attack in the Union building. So the Nazis set it on fire, killing dozens.

To Democrats everybody is a Nazi, except for the real actual Nazis who do Nazi things like terrorize kill and burn innocent people.

 

[Litwin]

NAZIS IN ACTION

 

[Litwin]

Azov Regiment

putin´s Nazi "Rusich" has posted a photo of executed Ukrainian POWs on their Telegram channel.

ANY comment on this ?

Post in thread 'putin´s imperial 🇷🇺 Nazi Rusich battalion announced they will pay in crypto for next 3 executions videos.„Yes, I’m a 🇷🇺 nazi“ - Milchakov.'

Nov 16, 2025

Mongol - Muscovites are the imperialistic beast ...

putin´s Nazi "Rusich" has posted a photo of executed Ukrainian POWs on their Telegram channel.


this Link with the direct link to putin´s nazi "Rusich" Telegram channel

• Litwin

 

[frigidweirdo]

They drive policy nowhere else.

Where does it say they drive policy? You just made that up.

 

[Ringo]

 

[frigidweirdo]

Do you think it's a good idea for the US to support white supremacists anywhere?

No. Is the Ukraine white supremacist? If it is, so is Russia.

 

[alang1216]

What makes us worse is we have the power and will to impose those fool notions on most of the globe.

Without us the Nazis might still be ruling Europe and Imperial Japan ruling the Pacific. Not pleasant thoughts.

 

[georgephillip]

No. Is the Ukraine white supremacist? If it is, so is Russia.

Which came first: supremacy of Christianity or white supremacy?

"Which is the more powerful belief: Christianity or white supremacy?

"A: White supremacy."

Origins of White Supremacy: The Only ‘Doctrine’ That Actually Matters

 

[Zavulon]

No. Is the Ukraine white supremacist? If it is, so is Russia.

Neither Russians nor Ukrainians (actually, Ukrainians are a sort of Russians) are "white suprematists" in the Western understanding of the word. As well as they are not "liberals" nor "socialists". Western racism looks like the very essence of the western mindset (nothing personal). For starters, in Russian (including Ukrainian) mindset, for example "Caucasians" are not considering as "white", but as "Black", and "do smth like a white man" is not about racial or cultural features but about comfort.

 

[Zavulon]

I think we have to recognize the Ukraine that came into existence with the end of WWII incorporated two distinct ethnicities which were never meant to coexist; this political divide was apparent in the results of the 2010 presidential election in that country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ukrainian_presidential_election

Prior to the 2014 coup, Ukrainians were divided over closer ties with Europe or Russia with those in the east preferring the latter while western Ukrainians favored the opposite.

Imho. the US exploited those tensions to induce a civil war in Donbass which eventually produced Russia's SMO in 2022; these actions are consistent with a long-term US commitment of using Ukraine to promote regime in Moscow.

https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...on-ukrainian-independence-haunts-cia-00029968

Actually, the ethnicity is the pretty same. Division between western and eastern Ukraine is hardly more than division between South and North in the USA before their Civil War.