Yet Some Claim Ukraine isn’t Held Enthrall By Nazis

[Muhammed]

Real Nazis embrace the GOP.

Bullshit. Real Nazis are socialists. They hate GOP capitalists.

 

[georgephillip]

You are correct the Nazi collaborators were based in the West of Ukraine places like Lviv Bandera land, the CIA were supporting those armed groups soon after WW2 the coup in Ukraine was the final act even though the Soviet Union no longer existed, you only have to look at that electoral map the dark blue area is where all the fighting has been after the people there refused to tolerate the Government they voted for overthrown by violence, the Empire doesn't believe in Democracy unless the vote goes their way.

Most Americans are clueless about how their country meddles in the domestic politics of sovereign states on the borders of the Russian Federation.

Scott Horton has written a book that might clear up much of the confusion:

https://publications.armywarcollege...-started-the-new-cold-war-with-russia-and-th/

"Book Review: Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine​

| "Reviewed by Lieutenant Colonel Josh VanBuskirk, commander, 6th Battalion, 95th Regiment, San Antonio, Texas

"Billed by the reviewer as 'must-read for military professionals who want to understand how the United States and Russia came to the precipice of war,' this book posits that the Washington bipartisan foreign policy consensus is to blame for the Russia-Ukraine War.

"Using US diplomats, bureaucrats, defense contractors, and politicians to make his point, Horton uses their work to argue for restraint when dealing with Russia."

 

[Deadstick]

Most Americans are clueless about how their country meddles in the domestic politics of sovereign states on the borders of the Russian Federation.

Scott Horton has written a book that might clear up much of the confusion:

https://publications.armywarcollege...-started-the-new-cold-war-with-russia-and-th/

"Book Review: Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine​

| "Reviewed by Lieutenant Colonel Josh VanBuskirk, commander, 6th Battalion, 95th Regiment, San Antonio, Texas

"Billed by the reviewer as 'must-read for military professionals who want to understand how the United States and Russia came to the precipice of war,' this book posits that the Washington bipartisan foreign policy consensus is to blame for the Russia-Ukraine War.

"Using US diplomats, bureaucrats, defense contractors, and politicians to make his point, Horton uses their work to argue for restraint when dealing with Russia."

On the other hand many Americans support the meddling in other Countries, they have been doing it so long.

 

[Ringo]

Bullshit. Real Nazis are socialists.

 

[Muhammed]

I think we have to recognize the Ukraine that came into existence with the end of WWII incorporated two distinct ethnicities which were never meant to coexist; this political divide was apparent in the results of the 2010 presidential election in that country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ukrainian_presidential_election

Prior to the 2014 coup, Ukrainians were divided over closer ties with Europe or Russia with those in the east preferring the latter while western Ukrainians favored the opposite.

Imho. the US exploited those tensions to induce a civil war in Donbass which eventually produced Russia's SMO in 2022; these actions are consistent with a long-term US commitment of using Ukraine to promote regime in Moscow.

https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...on-ukrainian-independence-haunts-cia-00029968

Obama even admitted that they "negotiated a leadership change in Ukraine.

With blood in the streets. In other words, is was an Obama administration orchestrated bloody coup against the legitimate democratically elected government of Ukraine.

Democrats here cannot accept that truth. So they will believe anything except the truth.

 

[georgephillip]

On the other hand many Americans support the meddling in other Countries, they have been doing it so long.

It's known by some as...

"Reaping Whirlwind: How U.S. Inter Reaping Whirlwind: How U.S. Interventionist F entionist Foreign Policies oliciesCreated Our Immigration Crisis..."

In 2014 the US Congress was trying to decide how to resolve the sudden increase in Central American unaccompanied minors and women seeking refuge in the US without acknowledging the major role US military actions and policies played in creating this Central American exodus.

https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1541&context=pilr

Making matters even worse, major US capitalists are known to place adds in South and Central American publications promising jobs to illegal migrants who make the journey north.

Perhaps the worst news is the low regard many Americans hold toward global warming and the impending waves of immigrants that will drive northward all across the globe.

 

[Deadstick]

It's known by some as...

"Reaping Whirlwind: How U.S. Inter Reaping Whirlwind: How U.S. Interventionist F entionist Foreign Policies oliciesCreated Our Immigration Crisis..."

In 2014 the US Congress was trying to decide how to resolve the sudden increase in Central American unaccompanied minors and women seeking refuge in the US without acknowledging the major role US military actions and policies played in creating this Central American exodus.

https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1541&context=pilr

Making matters even worse, major US capitalists are known to place adds in South and Central American publications promising jobs to illegal migrants who make the journey north.

Perhaps the worst news is the low regard many Americans hold toward global warming and the impending waves of immigrants that will drive northward all across the globe.

Yes indeed, they are too stupid to see all the illegal wars they have started will be the cause of many people wanting to flee those Countries, there is a big debate in the UK about how to combat irregular immigrants coming into the Country, they think they can learn from Denmark, what they forget is Denmark doesn't have the Colonial and Imperialistic History of the UK.

 

[cnm]

The only thing we need to decide about this is: Which nation has invaded and is fighting in someone else's country?

 

[cnm]

On the other hand many Americans support the meddling in other Countries, they have been doing it so long.

They insist on thinking of it as being police rather than mafia.

 

[Deadstick]

They insist on thinking of it as being police rather than mafia.

Well the American people have had many years to wake up to what is going on, as far back as 1935 when General Smedley Butler made his war is a racket speech, so there really is no excuse for being stupid and ignorant.

War Is A Racket, by Major General Smedley Butler, 1935

ratical.org

 

[JWBooth]

The only thing we need to decide about this is: Which nation has invaded and is fighting in someone else's country?

Like the US in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria and Mali?

 

[georgephillip]

Obama even admitted that they "negotiated a leadership change in Ukraine.

With blood in the streets. In other words, is was an Obama administration orchestrated bloody coup against the legitimate democratically elected government of Ukraine.

Democrats here cannot accept that truth. So they will believe anything except the truth.

Obama never explained why his administration collaborated with Nazis in order to support a peaceful democratic transition in Ukraine against a duly elected president who had already promised early elections to settle the issue of closer ties with the EU, NATO, and the IMF.

At this point the mass killing in Ukraine looks like it's headed for a frozen conflict similar to what has been happening in Korea since 1953

 

[cnm]

Well the American people have had many years to wake up to what is going on, as far back as 1935 when General Smedley Butler made his war is a racket speech, so there really is no excuse for being stupid and ignorant.

War Is A Racket, by Major General Smedley Butler, 1935

ratical.org

I fear you mistake a feature for a bug.

 

[cnm]

Like the US in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria and Mali?

I don't know the details of Syria and Mali. But Iraq, Afghanistan, Viet Nam, Libya, Grenada, etc,. etc., fer shure.

 

[Muhammed]

Yes indeed, they are too stupid to see all the illegal wars they have started will be the cause of many people wanting to flee those Countries, there is a big debate in the UK about how to combat irregular immigrants coming into the Country, they think they can learn from Denmark, what they forget is Denmark doesn't have the Colonial and Imperialistic History of the UK.

Denmark has a colonial history. It's just modest in scale compared to UK.

The Danes still have Greenland.

 

[alang1216]

Bullshit. Real Nazis are socialists. They hate GOP capitalists.

Hitler was not a socialist. He rounded them up with the Marxists and sent them to camp. They never returned. Goebbels started as a socialist but gave it up as Hitler disavowed it.

 

[Muhammed]

Hitler was not a socialist. He rounded them up with the Marxists and sent them to camp. They never returned. Goebbels started as a socialist but gave it up as Hitler disavowed it.

That's a pretty stupid lie.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal." ~quoted from Adolf Hitler circa 1932

 

[alang1216]

That's a pretty stupid lie.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal." ~quoted from Adolf Hitler circa 1932

Hitler knew the value of a good lie to fool stupid people. It still works!

AI Overview

Adolf Hitler was not a socialist; Nazism is historically classified as a far-right, fascist ideology. Hitler and the Nazi party were vehemently anti-socialist and anti-communist, actively persecuting and imprisoning members of leftist parties and trade unionists once they gained power.
The misconception that Hitler was a socialist stems primarily from two sources:

• The name of his party: The official name was the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP).
• Early party rhetoric: The party's initial 25-point program included some populist, anti-capitalist ideas to attract working-class voters away from Marxist parties.

However, the "socialist" aspects in the name and early platform were a "cynical trick of language and propaganda" rather than a genuine ideological commitment.
Key differences between Nazism and socialism include:

• Private Property: Traditional socialism advocates for the public or community ownership of the means of production. The Nazis, however, preserved the capitalist economy and private property, collaborating with major industrialists who saw them as a bulwark against communism.
• Class Struggle vs. Race: Socialism focuses on class struggle and equality among workers regardless of race. Nazism was centered on a hierarchical, race-based ideology (the "Aryan" master race) and ultra-nationalism, which sought to unite all "pure" Germans while persecuting those deemed "inferior" or "alien".
• Political Persecution: Socialists and communists were among the first victims sent to concentration camps after Hitler seized power in 1933. The "left-wing" members within the Nazi party itself, such as Gregor Strasser and Ernst Röhm, were purged and executed during the Night of the Long Knives in 1934.
• Dictatorship: Nazism established a one-party, totalitarian dictatorship under the Führer, fundamentally opposed to the democratic and internationalist aims of most socialist movements.

 

[cnm]

That's a pretty stupid lie.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal." ~quoted from Adolf Hitler circa 1932

Good link.

Ffs.

 

[Ringo]

That's a pretty stupid lie.
"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal." ~quoted from Adolf Hitler circa 1932

In our decadent times, a man can call himself a woman and participate in women's sports. And such a man is supposed to be taken at his word.
Normal people consider this to be perverse and idiotic.
Just as surely, some idiots, even after almost 100 years and a wealth of evidence to the contrary, still continue to believe that since the demagogue Hitler (exploiting the popularity of socialist ideas among germans) called himself a socialist, then that must be the case.
Muhammad, it's you: