Yeah, Trump did call military personnel "suckers" and "losers"

[Couchpotato]

So do you have any evidence that Obama didn't register as required?

We haven't had a draft since 1974. I wouldn't mind seeing a national service requirement for all 18-year-olds, as long as they get a free ride to a public college once they complete their service.

No.

 

[rightwinger]

Unfortunately, McCain proved himself a small petty vindictive man by opposing the repeal of 0bamacare in the 11th hour, then grandstanding about it, hugging leftwing senators. This was after he campaigned to repeal 0bamacare. And this was all because of a perceived slight by Trump. McCain's solution was to punish the American people because he was angry. So smallness and pettiness is McCain's legacy. A desire to be liked by the left. He could have been so much more.

McCain voted in favor of the Republican Healthcare Plan

When Republicans tried to repeal Obamacare with no plans to replace it, he said no

That is not vindictive, it is standing up for people not party

 

[JoeB131]

Unfortunately, McCain proved himself a small petty vindictive man by opposing the repeal of 0bamacare in the 11th hour, then grandstanding about it, hugging leftwing senators. This was after he campaigned to repeal 0bamacare. And this was all because of a perceived slight by Trump. McCain's solution was to punish the American people because he was angry. So smallness and pettiness is McCain's legacy. A desire to be liked by the left. He could have been so much more.

Or he sensibly realized that cancelling health are for 40 million people without a viable alternative plan in place (Trump never presented one) was a terrible idea.

 

[JoeB131]

No.

Most European countries have national service, and it greatly improves quality of life.

Heck, I would even go so far that at least until Vietnam, Selective Service was a boon in this country. Young men were either given purpose in the armed forces, or they were forced to better themselves to avoid the draft.

Vietnam did expose the abuses of the system, which is why it ended, instead of just ending the abuses (using Reserve components to avoid service, like Bush and Quayle did, paying for bullshit doctor's excuses, etc.)

 

[HikerGuy83]

Unfortunately, McCain proved himself a small petty vindictive man by opposing the repeal of 0bamacare in the 11th hour, then grandstanding about it, hugging leftwing senators. This was after he campaigned to repeal 0bamacare. And this was all because of a perceived slight by Trump. McCain's solution was to punish the American people because he was angry. So smallness and pettiness is McCain's legacy. A desire to be liked by the left. He could have been so much more.

McCain had a whole host of other things that revealed him to be a slimewad. While he was in captivity, his model wife was in a horrific car accident. She would not tell him because she didn't want that on him while he was in prison. When he got home, he started chasing Cindy before he divorced his wife. Cindy fit his ego. He was overheard to call her a c**t on one occasion. A real stand-up guy.

 

[JoeB131]

McCain had a whole host of other things that revealed him to be a slimewad. While he was in captivity, his model wife was in a horrific car accident. She would not tell him because she didn't want that on him while he was in prison. When he got home, he started chasing Cindy before he divorced his wife. Cindy fit his ego. He was overheard to call her a c**t on one occasion. A real stand-up guy.

Actually, McCain's first wife spoke highly of him until the day he died.

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-first-marriage/

He remained married to his first wife for seven years after he returned from Vietnam.

Again, not ideal, and McCain himself expressed regret.

Compared to Trump, who cheated on all three of his wives, and is an adjudicated rapist. Oh, yeah, and hung around with Epstein a lot.

 

[Couchpotato]

Most European countries have national service, and it greatly improves quality of life.

Countries with Mandatory Military Service 2025

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Nope.

Heck, I would even go so far that at least until Vietnam, Selective Service was a boon in this country. Young men were either given purpose in the armed forces, or they were forced to better themselves to avoid the draft.

? The US has only used conscription (what you are talking about) during war time. People werent being forced into service in the years before Vietnam.

Vietnam did expose the abuses of the system, which is why it ended, instead of just ending the abuses (using Reserve components to avoid service, like Bush and Quayle did, paying for bullshit doctor's excuses, etc.)

WTF are you talking about? There was no mandatory military service in the US outside WW1, 2 Korea and Vietnam in the modern era.

 

[JoeB131]

? The US has only used conscription (what you are talking about) during war time. People werent being forced into service in the years before Vietnam.

Not true, they were still drafting people between Korea and Vietnam.

Conscription in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Following the 1953 Korean War Armistice, Congress passed the Reserve Forces Act of 1955 with the aim of improving National Guard and federal Reserve Component readiness while also constraining its use by the president. Toward this end, it mandated a six-year service commitment, in a combination of reserve and active duty time, for every line military member regardless of their means of entry. Meanwhile, the SSS kept itself alive by devising and managing a complex system of deferments for a swelling pool of candidates during a period of shrinking requirements. The greatest challenge to the draft came not from protesters but from lobbyists seeking additional deferments for their constituent groups such as scientists and farmers.[31]

Many government leaders felt that the potential for a draft was a critical element in maintaining a constant flow of volunteers. On numerous occasions, Gen. Hershey told Congress that for every man drafted, three or four more were scared into volunteering.[50][51] Assuming that his assessment was accurate, this would mean that more than 11 million men volunteered for service because of the draft between January 1954 and April 1975.[30]

The policy of using the draft to incentivize voluntary enlistment was unique in American history. Previous drafts had not aimed to encourage individuals to enlist in order to gain preferential placement or less dangerous postings. However, the incremental buildup of the Vietnam War without a clear threat to the country bolstered this focus

 

[Robert W]

The General would have been treasonous not to tell the voters what the President said.

He said it. He will own it.

That General clearly was political as hell.

 

[Couchpotato]

Not true, they were still drafting people between Korea and Vietnam.

Conscription in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Following the 1953 Korean War Armistice, Congress passed the Reserve Forces Act of 1955 with the aim of improving National Guard and federal Reserve Component readiness while also constraining its use by the president. Toward this end, it mandated a six-year service commitment, in a combination of reserve and active duty time, for every line military member regardless of their means of entry. Meanwhile, the SSS kept itself alive by devising and managing a complex system of deferments for a swelling pool of candidates during a period of shrinking requirements. The greatest challenge to the draft came not from protesters but from lobbyists seeking additional deferments for their constituent groups such as scientists and farmers.[31]

Many government leaders felt that the potential for a draft was a critical element in maintaining a constant flow of volunteers. On numerous occasions, Gen. Hershey told Congress that for every man drafted, three or four more were scared into volunteering.[50][51] Assuming that his assessment was accurate, this would mean that more than 11 million men volunteered for service because of the draft between January 1954 and April 1975.[30]

The policy of using the draft to incentivize voluntary enlistment was unique in American history. Previous drafts had not aimed to encourage individuals to enlist in order to gain preferential placement or less dangerous postings. However, the incremental buildup of the Vietnam War without a clear threat to the country bolstered this focus

That's not conscription you dumb bastard. This still happens today. If you enlist in the Army for 4 years you are actually enlisting 6 or 8. 4 active duty and 2/4 inactive reserve which allows the US to call up already trained individuals in the event of a conflict that requires them. No one was getting a draft notice in the mail in 1957.

 

[Robert W]

That's not conscription you dumb bastard. This still happens today. If you enlist in the Army for 4 years you are actually enlisting 6 or 8. 4 active duty and 2/4 inactive reserve which allows the US to call up already trained individuals in the event of a conflict that requires them. No one was getting a draft notice in the mail in 1957.

I was notified I was drafted in 1961 and mailed protests. My date of being drafted active was February 15, 1962. My protest was turned down.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That General clearly was political as hell.

That does not excuse T in the slightest, in any way at all.

Every veteran who votes knows by now,

Of course it was political, it was mean to be, and the General served America by exposing T.

 

[Robert W]

That does not excuse T in the slightest, in any way at all.

Every veteran who votes knows by now,

Of course it was political, it was mean to be, and the General served America by exposing T.

The way Trump is supported by Vets shows they believe he did not say that. Even so, words don't break bones.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Unfortunately, McCain proved himself a small petty vindictive man by opposing the repeal of 0bamacare in the 11th hour, then grandstanding about it, hugging leftwing senators. This was after he campaigned to repeal 0bamacare. And this was all because of a perceived slight by Trump. McCain's solution was to punish the American people because he was angry. So smallness and pettiness is McCain's legacy. A desire to be liked by the left. He could have been so much more.

So what? God works in mysterious ways to improve the health of all his people, including heathens.

 

[Blisterfinger]

The General would have been treasonous not to tell the voters what the President said.

He said it. He will own it.

Kelly was obviously lying. Butthurt. Trump is a great patriot.

 

[Couchpotato]

I was notified I was drafted in 1961 and mailed protests. My date of being drafted active was February 15, 1962. My protest was turned down.

I will amend. The US wasn't inducting everyone into the military (which is what mandatory military service would entail), between the Korean and Vietnam wars, nor has it ever done that.

 

[Robert W]

I will amend. The US wasn't inducting everyone into the military (which is what mandatory military service would entail), between the Korean and Vietnam wars, nor has it ever done that.

Well at the time of the Draft, in peacetime which was when I served, there were exemptions. I know that even during WW2 they had exemptions. My father never got drafted in WW2.

 

[JoeB131]

That's not conscription you dumb bastard. This still happens today. If you enlist in the Army for 4 years you are actually enlisting 6 or 8. 4 active duty and 2/4 inactive reserve which allows the US to call up already trained individuals in the event of a conflict that requires them. No one was getting a draft notice in the mail in 1957.

No but they were getting them by 1962, which is why so many people tried to get various draft deferments.

 

[Robert W]

So what? God works in mysterious ways to improve the health of all his people, including heathens.

Obama care so called was not care for everybody wanting it. My son was turned down. I believe later he managed to get it. He easily can afford to pay for doctors.

 

[Robert W]

No but they were getting them by 1962, which is why so many people tried to get various draft deferments.

When I was drafted into the Army in 1962, they had deferments. My time was supposed to be 2 years active and 4 years reserves. I wrote my congressman who got the reserves cancelled for me though the total discharge did not show up until 6 years passed from date of entry.