WSJ/NBC poll (Sep 23): Democrats' midterm lead goes from 8% to 12%

[Cellblock2429]

It was 8% in August. It is 12% now.
Is it the tariffs? The stagnant wages? Kavanaugh?
Say goodbye to the House, Republicans.NBC News/WSJ poll: Democrats hold the advantage in November's elections

/----/ Once again for the Obtuse. Read the demographics.
The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted September 16-19 of 900 voters —
Generally speaking, do you think of yourself as a Democrat, a Republican, an independent, or something else? (IF "DEMOCRAT" OR "REPUBLICAN," ASK Would you call yourself a strong (Democrat/Republican) or not a very strong (Democrat/Republican)? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "NOT VERY STRONG DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN.") (IF "INDEPENDENT," ASK Do you think of yourself as closer to the Republican Party, closer to the Democratic Party, or do you think of yourself as strictly independent? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "STRICTLY INDEPENDENT.") + Strong Democrat .......................... 24 Not very strong Democrat ............ 9 Independent/lean Democrat ......... 11 Strictly Independent...................... 12 Independent/lean Republican ....... 10 Not very strong Republican .......... 6 Strong Republican ........................ 20 Other (VOL) ................................ 6 Not sure ...................................... 2

Totals: Democrats: 44% Republican: 36% Independent: 12% and Not Sure 2% Other 6%
Heavily weighted towards democRATs to make them feel better.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It was 8% in August. It is 12% now.
Is it the tariffs? The stagnant wages? Kavanaugh?
Say goodbye to the House, Republicans.NBC News/WSJ poll: Democrats hold the advantage in November's elections

/----/ Once again for the Obtuse. Read the demographics.
The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted September 16-19 of 900 voters —
Generally speaking, do you think of yourself as a Democrat, a Republican, an independent, or something else? (IF "DEMOCRAT" OR "REPUBLICAN," ASK Would you call yourself a strong (Democrat/Republican) or not a very strong (Democrat/Republican)? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "NOT VERY STRONG DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN.") (IF "INDEPENDENT," ASK Do you think of yourself as closer to the Republican Party, closer to the Democratic Party, or do you think of yourself as strictly independent? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "STRICTLY INDEPENDENT.") + Strong Democrat .......................... 24 Not very strong Democrat ............ 9 Independent/lean Democrat ......... 11 Strictly Independent...................... 12 Independent/lean Republican ....... 10 Not very strong Republican .......... 6 Strong Republican ........................ 20 Other (VOL) ................................ 6 Not sure ...................................... 2

Totals: Democrats: 44% Republican: 36% Independent: 12% and Not Sure 2%
Heavily weighted towards democRATs to make them feel better.

That is not weighted at all, that is about what the split is in the general population is in this country. Other than they did not ask enough independents.

1. Trends in party affiliation among demographic groups | Pew Research Center

 

[Cellblock2429]

It was 8% in August. It is 12% now.
Is it the tariffs? The stagnant wages? Kavanaugh?
Say goodbye to the House, Republicans.NBC News/WSJ poll: Democrats hold the advantage in November's elections

/----/ Once again for the Obtuse. Read the demographics.
The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted September 16-19 of 900 voters —
Generally speaking, do you think of yourself as a Democrat, a Republican, an independent, or something else? (IF "DEMOCRAT" OR "REPUBLICAN," ASK Would you call yourself a strong (Democrat/Republican) or not a very strong (Democrat/Republican)? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "NOT VERY STRONG DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN.") (IF "INDEPENDENT," ASK Do you think of yourself as closer to the Republican Party, closer to the Democratic Party, or do you think of yourself as strictly independent? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "STRICTLY INDEPENDENT.") + Strong Democrat .......................... 24 Not very strong Democrat ............ 9 Independent/lean Democrat ......... 11 Strictly Independent...................... 12 Independent/lean Republican ....... 10 Not very strong Republican .......... 6 Strong Republican ........................ 20 Other (VOL) ................................ 6 Not sure ...................................... 2

Totals: Democrats: 44% Republican: 36% Independent: 12% and Not Sure 2%
Heavily weighted towards democRATs to make them feel better.

That is not weighted at all, that is about what the split is in the general population is in this country. Other than they did not ask enough independents.

1. Trends in party affiliation among demographic groups | Pew Research Center

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/---/ That's BS. They look for more democRats than Republicans to skew the results.
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[Harpy Eagle]

It was 8% in August. It is 12% now.
Is it the tariffs? The stagnant wages? Kavanaugh?
Say goodbye to the House, Republicans.NBC News/WSJ poll: Democrats hold the advantage in November's elections

/----/ Once again for the Obtuse. Read the demographics.
The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted September 16-19 of 900 voters —
Generally speaking, do you think of yourself as a Democrat, a Republican, an independent, or something else? (IF "DEMOCRAT" OR "REPUBLICAN," ASK Would you call yourself a strong (Democrat/Republican) or not a very strong (Democrat/Republican)? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "NOT VERY STRONG DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN.") (IF "INDEPENDENT," ASK Do you think of yourself as closer to the Republican Party, closer to the Democratic Party, or do you think of yourself as strictly independent? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "STRICTLY INDEPENDENT.") + Strong Democrat .......................... 24 Not very strong Democrat ............ 9 Independent/lean Democrat ......... 11 Strictly Independent...................... 12 Independent/lean Republican ....... 10 Not very strong Republican .......... 6 Strong Republican ........................ 20 Other (VOL) ................................ 6 Not sure ...................................... 2

Totals: Democrats: 44% Republican: 36% Independent: 12% and Not Sure 2%
Heavily weighted towards democRATs to make them feel better.

That is not weighted at all, that is about what the split is in the general population is in this country. Other than they did not ask enough independents.

1. Trends in party affiliation among demographic groups | Pew Research Center

View attachment 218083

/---/ That's BS. They look for more democRats than Republicans to skew the results.

You are a moron.

 

[Cellblock2429]

It was 8% in August. It is 12% now.
Is it the tariffs? The stagnant wages? Kavanaugh?
Say goodbye to the House, Republicans.NBC News/WSJ poll: Democrats hold the advantage in November's elections

/----/ Once again for the Obtuse. Read the demographics.
The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted September 16-19 of 900 voters —
Generally speaking, do you think of yourself as a Democrat, a Republican, an independent, or something else? (IF "DEMOCRAT" OR "REPUBLICAN," ASK Would you call yourself a strong (Democrat/Republican) or not a very strong (Democrat/Republican)? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "NOT VERY STRONG DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN.") (IF "INDEPENDENT," ASK Do you think of yourself as closer to the Republican Party, closer to the Democratic Party, or do you think of yourself as strictly independent? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "STRICTLY INDEPENDENT.") + Strong Democrat .......................... 24 Not very strong Democrat ............ 9 Independent/lean Democrat ......... 11 Strictly Independent...................... 12 Independent/lean Republican ....... 10 Not very strong Republican .......... 6 Strong Republican ........................ 20 Other (VOL) ................................ 6 Not sure ...................................... 2

Totals: Democrats: 44% Republican: 36% Independent: 12% and Not Sure 2%
Heavily weighted towards democRATs to make them feel better.

That is not weighted at all, that is about what the split is in the general population is in this country. Other than they did not ask enough independents.

1. Trends in party affiliation among demographic groups | Pew Research Center

View attachment 218083

/---/ That's BS. They look for more democRats than Republicans to skew the results.

You are a moron.

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[EvilCat Breath]

A Republican just took a seat that had been Democrat for 139 years. Ocasio-Cortez cannot attract more than a handful of attendees. 750 people went to see shitstain obama. Trump's crowds are bigger today than they were in 2016.

Reality is not matching up to Democrat hype.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It was 8% in August. It is 12% now.
Is it the tariffs? The stagnant wages? Kavanaugh?
Say goodbye to the House, Republicans.NBC News/WSJ poll: Democrats hold the advantage in November's elections

/----/ Once again for the Obtuse. Read the demographics.
The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted September 16-19 of 900 voters —
Generally speaking, do you think of yourself as a Democrat, a Republican, an independent, or something else? (IF "DEMOCRAT" OR "REPUBLICAN," ASK Would you call yourself a strong (Democrat/Republican) or not a very strong (Democrat/Republican)? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "NOT VERY STRONG DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN.") (IF "INDEPENDENT," ASK Do you think of yourself as closer to the Republican Party, closer to the Democratic Party, or do you think of yourself as strictly independent? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "STRICTLY INDEPENDENT.") + Strong Democrat .......................... 24 Not very strong Democrat ............ 9 Independent/lean Democrat ......... 11 Strictly Independent...................... 12 Independent/lean Republican ....... 10 Not very strong Republican .......... 6 Strong Republican ........................ 20 Other (VOL) ................................ 6 Not sure ...................................... 2

Totals: Democrats: 44% Republican: 36% Independent: 12% and Not Sure 2%
Heavily weighted towards democRATs to make them feel better.

That is not weighted at all, that is about what the split is in the general population is in this country. Other than they did not ask enough independents.

1. Trends in party affiliation among demographic groups | Pew Research Center

View attachment 218083

/---/ That's BS. They look for more democRats than Republicans to skew the results.

You are a moron.

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Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » Registering By Party: Where the Democrats and Republicans Are Ahead

Altogether, there are 31 states (plus the District of Columbia) with party registration; in the others, such as Virginia, voters register without reference to party. Among the party registration states are some of the nation’s most populous: California, New York, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Arizona, and Massachusetts.

The basic facts: In 19 states and the District, there are more registered Democrats than Republicans. In 12 states, there are more registered Republicans than Democrats. In aggregate, 40% of all voters in party registration states are Democrats, 29% are Republicans, and 28% are independents. Nationally, the Democratic advantage in the party registration states approaches 12 million.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ Once again for the Obtuse. Read the demographics.
The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted September 16-19 of 900 voters —
Generally speaking, do you think of yourself as a Democrat, a Republican, an independent, or something else? (IF "DEMOCRAT" OR "REPUBLICAN," ASK Would you call yourself a strong (Democrat/Republican) or not a very strong (Democrat/Republican)? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "NOT VERY STRONG DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN.") (IF "INDEPENDENT," ASK Do you think of yourself as closer to the Republican Party, closer to the Democratic Party, or do you think of yourself as strictly independent? (IF "NOT SURE," CODE AS "STRICTLY INDEPENDENT.") + Strong Democrat .......................... 24 Not very strong Democrat ............ 9 Independent/lean Democrat ......... 11 Strictly Independent...................... 12 Independent/lean Republican ....... 10 Not very strong Republican .......... 6 Strong Republican ........................ 20 Other (VOL) ................................ 6 Not sure ...................................... 2

Totals: Democrats: 44% Republican: 36% Independent: 12% and Not Sure 2%
Heavily weighted towards democRATs to make them feel better.

That is not weighted at all, that is about what the split is in the general population is in this country. Other than they did not ask enough independents.

1. Trends in party affiliation among demographic groups | Pew Research Center

View attachment 218083

/---/ That's BS. They look for more democRats than Republicans to skew the results.

You are a moron.

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In politics, as of today, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat or an independent?
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Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » Registering By Party: Where the Democrats and Republicans Are Ahead

Altogether, there are 31 states (plus the District of Columbia) with party registration; in the others, such as Virginia, voters register without reference to party. Among the party registration states are some of the nation’s most populous: California, New York, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Arizona, and Massachusetts.

The basic facts: In 19 states and the District, there are more registered Democrats than Republicans. In 12 states, there are more registered Republicans than Democrats. In aggregate, 40% of all voters in party registration states are Democrats, 29% are Republicans, and 28% are independents. Nationally, the Democratic advantage in the party registration states approaches 12 million.

/---/ What part of they only polled 900 Voters do you not get? Besides as I have shown you the split on Dems and Repubs NATIONALLY is almost even, not the skewed results of Democrats: 44% Republican: 36% .

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That is not weighted at all, that is about what the split is in the general population is in this country. Other than they did not ask enough independents.

1. Trends in party affiliation among demographic groups | Pew Research Center

View attachment 218083

/---/ That's BS. They look for more democRats than Republicans to skew the results.

You are a moron.

/----/
In politics, as of today, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat or an independent?
Trend since 2004
Republicans Independents Democrats
R 24 % I 43% D 27%
2018 Aug 1-12
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Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » Registering By Party: Where the Democrats and Republicans Are Ahead

Altogether, there are 31 states (plus the District of Columbia) with party registration; in the others, such as Virginia, voters register without reference to party. Among the party registration states are some of the nation’s most populous: California, New York, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Arizona, and Massachusetts.

The basic facts: In 19 states and the District, there are more registered Democrats than Republicans. In 12 states, there are more registered Republicans than Democrats. In aggregate, 40% of all voters in party registration states are Democrats, 29% are Republicans, and 28% are independents. Nationally, the Democratic advantage in the party registration states approaches 12 million.

/---/ What part of they only polled 900 Voters do you not get? Besides as I have shown you the split on Dems and Repubs NATIONALLY is almost even, not the skewed results of Democrats: 44% Republican: 36% .

You showed a single poll that shows the split almost even, I showed one that was far different.

My last link did not rely on polls, they went straight to the states for the information. Maybe the states are lying too...

 

[Cellblock2429]

/---/ That's BS. They look for more democRats than Republicans to skew the results.

You are a moron.

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In politics, as of today, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat or an independent?
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Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » Registering By Party: Where the Democrats and Republicans Are Ahead

Altogether, there are 31 states (plus the District of Columbia) with party registration; in the others, such as Virginia, voters register without reference to party. Among the party registration states are some of the nation’s most populous: California, New York, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Arizona, and Massachusetts.

The basic facts: In 19 states and the District, there are more registered Democrats than Republicans. In 12 states, there are more registered Republicans than Democrats. In aggregate, 40% of all voters in party registration states are Democrats, 29% are Republicans, and 28% are independents. Nationally, the Democratic advantage in the party registration states approaches 12 million.

/---/ What part of they only polled 900 Voters do you not get? Besides as I have shown you the split on Dems and Repubs NATIONALLY is almost even, not the skewed results of Democrats: 44% Republican: 36% .

You showed a single poll that shows the split almost even, I showed one that was far different.

My last link did not rely on polls, they went straight to the states for the information. Maybe the states are lying too...

/---/ What single poll? Look at the link. It goes back to 2004. That's 14 years of data. Geeeze, you'll spin that away too since you never admit you just might possibly be wrong.

 

[Oddball]

WSJ/NBC had an error of 3% in the popular vote (Clinton won it by 2% and WSJ had her up by 5).
Are you saying that the GOP is actually behind by 9%?
Ill take that!

I'm actually saying that the polls are worthless.

 

[miketx]

It was 8% in August. It is 12% now.
Is it the tariffs? The stagnant wages? Kavanaugh?
Say goodbye to the House, Republicans.NBC News/WSJ poll: Democrats hold the advantage in November's elections

Hillary by a landslide. lol! You tards never stop.

 

[Nosmo King]

It was 8% in August. It is 12% now.
Is it the tariffs? The stagnant wages? Kavanaugh?
Say goodbye to the House, Republicans.NBC News/WSJ poll: Democrats hold the advantage in November's elections

From now until the midterms, I will not comment on any threads about election polls except to point out how UTTERLY STUPID THE OP IS FOR STILL BELIEVING ELECTION POLLS HAVE ANY USEFULNESS.

Consider this: the last week of the 2016 election, polls had Sec. Clinton winning, but within the margin of error. And that's exactly what Trump won by, the margin of error. 77,000 Michigan votes and 70,000 Wisconsin votes won him the electoral college. But not the popular vote. The polls were dottect in predicting an election result within their margins.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

It was 8% in August. It is 12% now.
Is it the tariffs? The stagnant wages? Kavanaugh?
Say goodbye to the House, Republicans.NBC News/WSJ poll: Democrats hold the advantage in November's elections

From now until the midterms, I will not comment on any threads about election polls except to point out how UTTERLY STUPID THE OP IS FOR STILL BELIEVING ELECTION POLLS HAVE ANY USEFULNESS.

Consider this: the last week of the 2016 election, polls had Sec. Clinton winning, but within the margin of error. And that's exactly what Trump won by, the margin of error. 77,000 Michigan votes and 70,000 Wisconsin votes won him the electoral college. But not the popular vote. The polls were dottect in predicting an election result within their margins.

Consider this- every pundit read those polls and predicted Hellary would win, so what good was the poll?

 

[Nosmo King]

It was 8% in August. It is 12% now.
Is it the tariffs? The stagnant wages? Kavanaugh?
Say goodbye to the House, Republicans.NBC News/WSJ poll: Democrats hold the advantage in November's elections

From now until the midterms, I will not comment on any threads about election polls except to point out how UTTERLY STUPID THE OP IS FOR STILL BELIEVING ELECTION POLLS HAVE ANY USEFULNESS.

Consider this: the last week of the 2016 election, polls had Sec. Clinton winning, but within the margin of error. And that's exactly what Trump won by, the margin of error. 77,000 Michigan votes and 70,000 Wisconsin votes won him the electoral college. But not the popular vote. The polls were dottect in predicting an election result within their margins.

Consider this- every pundit read those polls and predicted Hellary would win, so what good was the poll?

They had her winning, but by 3-5%. That's usually the margin of error. She did win the popular vote, but the pollsters did not calculate the razor thin margin in the electoral vote especially in the upper Midwest.

If you saw those numbers during that last week of the campaign, thanks, James Comey, you would have made the same call.

 

[Mike473]

Funny, WSJ/NBC had Hillary up by 6 points on the same date two years ago.

That was probably about right for that point in time. She won the popular vote, which is what the WSJ/NBC poll was predicting by 2.1%. With the way the last month went it is reasonable to think that a couple percent of the people changed their minds.

Many of the big polling outfits had Hillary up by as much as 14 points, even until a week or two out.

Links please


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Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump by 14 Points Nationally in New Poll

Hillary Clinton has widened her lead over Donald Trump, polling 14 percentage points ahead nationally, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll, which comes 12 days before the presidential election.

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/16/clinton-holds-11-point-national-lead-over-trump-nbcwsj-poll.html

Hillary Clinton is ahead of Donald Trump by double digits with just over three weeks until Election Day, according to a new national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll conducted entirely after the second presidential debate.

https://bearingdrift.com/2016/10/16/wason-poll-clinton-15-points-virginia/

Democrat Hillary Clinton now holds a 15-point advantage over Republican Donald Trump in Virginia, according to a tracking survey released Sunday by the Wason Center for Public Policy at Christopher Newport University. Clinton leads Trump among likely voters in Virginia, 44-29 percent.

https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/msu_state_of_the_state_survey.html

EAST LANSING, MI -- A survey from Michigan State University's Institute for Public Policy and Social Research suggests Democrat Hillary Clinton has a wide lead over Republican Donald Trump among Michigan's likely voters.

The quarterly State of the State Survey conducted by the institute tracked voters from Sept. 1 to Oct. 30 and found that among likely voters in Michigan, 52 percent said they would vote for Clinton and 32 percent said they would vote for Trump.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You are a moron.

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Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » Registering By Party: Where the Democrats and Republicans Are Ahead

Altogether, there are 31 states (plus the District of Columbia) with party registration; in the others, such as Virginia, voters register without reference to party. Among the party registration states are some of the nation’s most populous: California, New York, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Arizona, and Massachusetts.

The basic facts: In 19 states and the District, there are more registered Democrats than Republicans. In 12 states, there are more registered Republicans than Democrats. In aggregate, 40% of all voters in party registration states are Democrats, 29% are Republicans, and 28% are independents. Nationally, the Democratic advantage in the party registration states approaches 12 million.

/---/ What part of they only polled 900 Voters do you not get? Besides as I have shown you the split on Dems and Repubs NATIONALLY is almost even, not the skewed results of Democrats: 44% Republican: 36% .

You showed a single poll that shows the split almost even, I showed one that was far different.

My last link did not rely on polls, they went straight to the states for the information. Maybe the states are lying too...

/---/ What single poll? Look at the link. It goes back to 2004. That's 14 years of data. Geeeze, you'll spin that away too since you never admit you just might possibly be wrong.

Yep, same poll taken over the course of a number of years.


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[Cellblock2429]

Same polls that had Hildabeest winning in a landslide?

S

Polls are always wrong.

Just like all the polls that said Roy Moore would lose.

All wrong.

WSJ/NBC had an error of 3% in the popular vote (Clinton won it by 2% and WSJ had her up by 5).
Are you saying that the GOP is actually behind by 9%?
Ill take that!

/----/ Who the hell spends millions taking polls on something that does not determine the winner? What kind of moron would do that? Maybe you would.

 

[Cellblock2429]

It was 8% in August. It is 12% now.
Is it the tariffs? The stagnant wages? Kavanaugh?
Say goodbye to the House, Republicans.NBC News/WSJ poll: Democrats hold the advantage in November's elections

/---/ A poll of only 900 voters skewed to democRATs. Big WOP.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

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Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump by 14 Points Nationally in New Poll

Hillary Clinton has widened her lead over Donald Trump, polling 14 percentage points ahead nationally, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll, which comes 12 days before the presidential election.

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/16/clinton-holds-11-point-national-lead-over-trump-nbcwsj-poll.html

Hillary Clinton is ahead of Donald Trump by double digits with just over three weeks until Election Day, according to a new national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll conducted entirely after the second presidential debate.

https://bearingdrift.com/2016/10/16/wason-poll-clinton-15-points-virginia/

Democrat Hillary Clinton now holds a 15-point advantage over Republican Donald Trump in Virginia, according to a tracking survey released Sunday by the Wason Center for Public Policy at Christopher Newport University. Clinton leads Trump among likely voters in Virginia, 44-29 percent.

https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/11/msu_state_of_the_state_survey.html

EAST LANSING, MI -- A survey from Michigan State University's Institute for Public Policy and Social Research suggests Democrat Hillary Clinton has a wide lead over Republican Donald Trump among Michigan's likely voters.

The quarterly State of the State Survey conducted by the institute tracked voters from Sept. 1 to Oct. 30 and found that among likely voters in Michigan, 52 percent said they would vote for Clinton and 32 percent said they would vote for Trump.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the links. I will admit I am surprised it was that wide that late in those, but both the national ones came before the Comey October surprise, so I think it is hard to judge if they were accurate at the time or not. The thing about polls is they are a snapshot in time.

Hillary won Va by more than 6 points so that one could have closed in the end days. The Michigan one is by far the worst offender, off by 20% is unforgivable.