Wow, yet another problem with windmills that I didn't know about.

[deannalw]

Free electricity sources challenge the way blob supporters were raised. They are too lazy to adapt so they make false statements like that in this thread.

Solar panels are largely made from silica (which comes from sand).

And it is dangerous and harmful to humans.

 

[francoHFW]

And how are wind mills more toxic than coal powered power plants?

Well for one thing, not a single coal burning power plant has been shut down because windmills replaced them.

Not even one.

So, you are basically saying we're going to keep all the pollution from our coal power plants.... AND pollute with windmills.

Since your method of pollution, does not replace any other.... its just another form of additional pollution.

Coal burning power plants have been shutting down because they are losing money.
Windpower is just one of the sources that has contributed to those closures.

No. That is factually incorrect. Coal burning power plants have been being replaced by natural gas. Not wind mills. There is not a single example anywhere.... ANYWHERE... that wind mill plants have replaced fossil fuel power plants, or nuclear.

And this isn't surprising either when you look at the power generation numbers.

The SMALLEST coal power plant in the entire state of Ohio, is 650 MW of power.
The largest wind farm in the entire state...... 4.5 MW.

You really want to try and argue that a tiny 4.5 MW wind farm, replaced even the smallest of coal power plants? Not even close. They might convert that coal power plant to nat.gas, or build a nuclear power plant, but no, the wind farm did nothing. It replaces nothing.

All of the wind farms across the entire state combined, barely produce 1% of the total power generated in the state. Now that should give you pause.... because if you are a thinking individual, you will notice that the total installed base of wind power capacity is supposedly around 500 MW of installed power... yet still is barely 1% of all power generated. How is that possible?

Answer... .because it's wind power. When the wind stops blowing, the power dies. So the number is completely irrelevant. And by the way, that is another reason that wind power can never replace conventional power.

Even if you combined all the wind farms across the state into a single massive power plant (which you can't. A wind farm in southern ohio, can't transmit power all the way to northern Ohio. You would have to produce enough power in THAT location, to replace a power plant in THAT location).

But let's live in a fantasy world where you could. You combine all the various wind farms into a single 500 MW farm. Great! Now you can shut down that coal burning power plant! Right???

No. You can't. If the power grid requires 500 MW of power, and is relying on that coal power plant.... and you put up a 500 MW wind farm... you still can't shut off that coal power plant. Because if the wind dies.... and the wind farm isn't producing enough power, you can damage the entire power grid. Which then means you have to shut off power to the entire grid until the wind farm starts producing again. That could be days.... even weeks.

You want to shut down our entire society for a day to a week, every time the wind dies down? Not happening.

So I'll say this again..... Wind power does not replace ANYTHING EVER. It never does. When Germany shut down their nuclear power plants, the first thing they did was bring online a bunch of coal power plants. Go read about it. Wind does not replaces anything. If you shut down one source of power, you don't turn on a wind mill. You turn on another conventional, reliable, consistent source of power.

Germany still constructing new coal power stations | Airclim

In fact, even in the mid-term, they contracts with France to get power. Why didn't they just put up more windmills, instead of nuclear power from France, and coal power plants being built in Germany?

Sorry, but the facts are what they are.

GOP propaganda as always super duper.

Renewable energy in Germany is mainly based on wind, solar and biomass. ... The share of renewable electricity rose from just 3.4% of gross electricity consumption in 1990 to exceed 10% by 2005, 20% by 2011 and 30% by 2015, reaching 36.2% of consumption by year end 2017.
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The share of renewable electricity rose from just 3.4% of gross electricity consumption in 1990 to exceed 10% by 2005, 20% by 2011 and 30% by 2015, reaching 36.2% of consumption by year end 2017.

Yup. And they pay triple the rates we do. Moron.

But they have much lower usage so their bills are about the same. They also have much lower prices for internet and basically have it made 6 week vacations great infrastructure living wage Health Care daycare cheap college and training and they tax the rich they're not brainwashed pionz like GOP voters.

 

[Muhammed]

What will archeologists think in 500 years?

Aliens...

 

[deannalw]

He is correct. Solar panels take at least 12 years to pay for themselves . Solar is best used off grid. I have a solar system I built almost 30 years ago. It took 24 years to pay for itself, but I live in the mountains so they are almost useless in the winter.

off grid is one of the best, but combined with a grid tie system they work great and depending on use and location they can pay for themselves in less than 10 yrs, and due to the advance in tech they can make you a profit,,,

I do think the solar farm idea is not the way to go,

The only way you can make a profit is via subsidy. I actually have one so my experience ain't theoretical.

Also not up to date.....
You Can Qualify For Free Home Solar Panels
You can actually get solar panels installed on your home at absolutely no charge to you. But wait, that's not all, not only can you get solar panels installed for free you also get dramatically reduced monthly electricity bills with fixed rates for as long as 25 years.
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Free Home Solar Panels - mySolar

They also have much better cheaper solar panels now than they did 25 years ago....

Where do you think the money comes for those "free" solar panels?

Good gosh but you're one stupid little hater dupe!

From higher taxes on your greedy idiot lying Rich Heroes?

Now there's a fuckin shocker.

 

[francoHFW]

Actually that is supposedly when it will be irreversible if we do nothing as we are now. Super duper...

Actually that is supposedly when it will be irreversible

Yeah, every time the planet warmed a few degrees.....it's irreversible and everything dies......moron. DURR

Sorry you don't like facts, super duper. It's the smart thing to do but we may be able to figure out something scientists haven't foreseen. I just don't know what is so horrible about doing away with pollution and perhaps saving the planet. Takes a good brainwash I guess.....

Sorry you don't like facts, super duper.

Show me one single fact that backs the claim, "in 12 years it will be irreversible if we do nothing as we are now"

I just don't know what is so horrible about doing away with pollution

CO2 isn't pollution.

Ask the climatologist who came up with that theory. All I know is, the GOP is the only party in the world that denies global warming and if you can't notice it you are a brainwashed functional moron.

Ask the climatologist who came up with that theory.

AOC and Greta are morons, they aren't climatologists.

Which climatologist moron came up with that theory?

They're smart enough to listen to honest scientists and news outlets. Unlike only the GOP voter in the entire modern world LOL super duper...

 

[francoHFW]

off grid is one of the best, but combined with a grid tie system they work great and depending on use and location they can pay for themselves in less than 10 yrs, and due to the advance in tech they can make you a profit,,,

I do think the solar farm idea is not the way to go,

The only way you can make a profit is via subsidy. I actually have one so my experience ain't theoretical.

Also not up to date.....
You Can Qualify For Free Home Solar Panels
You can actually get solar panels installed on your home at absolutely no charge to you. But wait, that's not all, not only can you get solar panels installed for free you also get dramatically reduced monthly electricity bills with fixed rates for as long as 25 years.
View attachment 283263
mySolar Home Solar › free-ho...
Free Home Solar Panels - mySolar

They also have much better cheaper solar panels now than they did 25 years ago....

Where do you think the money comes for those "free" solar panels?

Good gosh but you're one stupid little hater dupe!

From higher taxes on your greedy idiot lying Rich Heroes?

Now there's a fuckin shocker.

in the entire world only brainwashed GOP voters believe a flat tax system is a good idea. That is what we have now if you count all taxes. Your Love sympathy and admiration for the greedy idiot GOP rich is noted.

 

[Andylusion]

they passed that hurdle yrs ago,,,the good ones produce far more than they take to make them,,,

Oh really? I admit it's been years since I read up on them...I'll check that out.

Thanks for the info!

this is just one of many links I found,,,

Solar Panels Produce Far More Energy Than They Consume | EarthTechling


I will say I think that solar is a great idea in many places but it will never be a full replacement,,why every house in phoenix doesnt have solar panels confuses me

So I actually know someone who has family in Arizona. Their experience was they installed a large number on the roof, and some rodents of some sort, or birds, damaged the panel, resulting in a short that burned out the entire array. They lost all the money, and determined to never do it again. You have to have the array work for decades, for it to pay off. If something damages it before then, or if you wire something wrong, or it breaks for any reason... you are just screwed.

The companies that sell these, know to be very careful about what the warranty covers.

decades my ass,,,

and all those problems and warranty issue apply to any product

Well.... yes.

Decades.. yes. If you think you are going to make back the money on a solar panel in 5 years... you are insane.

Here in Ohio, the cost of electricity is 9 cents per kilowatt hour. A one kilowatt solar panel pack, is $1,230. Divide 1230 / 0.09 = 13666. Your 1 kw solar panels, need to produce at least 13,666 kilowatts, and that just covers the cost of the panels.

According to PVWatts Calculator (government website) I can expect these panels to produce roughly 1,320 kilowatts a year.

13666 / 1320 = 10 years.

Here's the kicker.... that's just for the panels. That doesn't include all the wiring, the power inverters, the batteries, the control system. Nothing. The panels alone, you are lucky to break even in 10 years. By the way, that doesn't include installation. Hope you are good climbing on your own roof, and drilling holes, and installing an electrical network.

For an entire off grid kit.... $3,166. Decades. That's how long it's going to take to break even.

So just to do some quick numbers for Arizona. $3,166 full kit / 11 cents per kwh = 28,780.
A 1 KW system in Arizona should produce on average about 1700 kwh per year.
28780 / 1700 = 17 years to break even. Almost two decades.

So once again, as it has for the last 10 years I've checked the numbers on solar panels, it still even to this day, takes decades to break even on them... assuming they continue to function for decades.

and all those problems and warranty issue apply to any product

While true... there is a huge difference between my computer, or my TV, and buying a solar panel.

I'm not trying to make money... or in this case... save money, by buying a TV. If my TV burns out after 10 years.... I'm good. I just buy another one. I wasn't trying to somehow make a return on my investment.

If my solar panels burn out after 10 years.... then I literally flushed money down the drain, for no benefit.

A TV, I gain a benefit from it, all during the time it is running, in the form of entertainment.

When a solar panel is operating, nothing is different in my life, than if there is no solar panel.

The only benefit to it's existence, is if I end up with a net saving of money, on my investment.

Thus if the solar panel does not last long enough to make that Return On Investment (ROI), then I honestly would have gotten more use from my money, by taking my cash outside, and setting on fire, and roasting a hot dog over the burning bills.

If the solar panels are damaged by dust, which shorts it out, or by rodents, or by a hail damage, or a tree limb, or anything else.... then I am out thousands of dollars for absolutely nothing.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well for one thing, not a single coal burning power plant has been shut down because windmills replaced them.

Not even one.

So, you are basically saying we're going to keep all the pollution from our coal power plants.... AND pollute with windmills.

Since your method of pollution, does not replace any other.... its just another form of additional pollution.

Coal burning power plants have been shutting down because they are losing money.
Windpower is just one of the sources that has contributed to those closures.

No. That is factually incorrect. Coal burning power plants have been being replaced by natural gas. Not wind mills. There is not a single example anywhere.... ANYWHERE... that wind mill plants have replaced fossil fuel power plants, or nuclear.

And this isn't surprising either when you look at the power generation numbers.

The SMALLEST coal power plant in the entire state of Ohio, is 650 MW of power.
The largest wind farm in the entire state...... 4.5 MW.

You really want to try and argue that a tiny 4.5 MW wind farm, replaced even the smallest of coal power plants? Not even close. They might convert that coal power plant to nat.gas, or build a nuclear power plant, but no, the wind farm did nothing. It replaces nothing.

All of the wind farms across the entire state combined, barely produce 1% of the total power generated in the state. Now that should give you pause.... because if you are a thinking individual, you will notice that the total installed base of wind power capacity is supposedly around 500 MW of installed power... yet still is barely 1% of all power generated. How is that possible?

Answer... .because it's wind power. When the wind stops blowing, the power dies. So the number is completely irrelevant. And by the way, that is another reason that wind power can never replace conventional power.

Even if you combined all the wind farms across the state into a single massive power plant (which you can't. A wind farm in southern ohio, can't transmit power all the way to northern Ohio. You would have to produce enough power in THAT location, to replace a power plant in THAT location).

But let's live in a fantasy world where you could. You combine all the various wind farms into a single 500 MW farm. Great! Now you can shut down that coal burning power plant! Right???

No. You can't. If the power grid requires 500 MW of power, and is relying on that coal power plant.... and you put up a 500 MW wind farm... you still can't shut off that coal power plant. Because if the wind dies.... and the wind farm isn't producing enough power, you can damage the entire power grid. Which then means you have to shut off power to the entire grid until the wind farm starts producing again. That could be days.... even weeks.

You want to shut down our entire society for a day to a week, every time the wind dies down? Not happening.

So I'll say this again..... Wind power does not replace ANYTHING EVER. It never does. When Germany shut down their nuclear power plants, the first thing they did was bring online a bunch of coal power plants. Go read about it. Wind does not replaces anything. If you shut down one source of power, you don't turn on a wind mill. You turn on another conventional, reliable, consistent source of power.

Germany still constructing new coal power stations | Airclim

In fact, even in the mid-term, they contracts with France to get power. Why didn't they just put up more windmills, instead of nuclear power from France, and coal power plants being built in Germany?

Sorry, but the facts are what they are.

GOP propaganda as always super duper.

Renewable energy in Germany is mainly based on wind, solar and biomass. ... The share of renewable electricity rose from just 3.4% of gross electricity consumption in 1990 to exceed 10% by 2005, 20% by 2011 and 30% by 2015, reaching 36.2% of consumption by year end 2017.
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The share of renewable electricity rose from just 3.4% of gross electricity consumption in 1990 to exceed 10% by 2005, 20% by 2011 and 30% by 2015, reaching 36.2% of consumption by year end 2017.

Yup. And they pay triple the rates we do. Moron.

Link to your garbage BS?

If Renewables Are So Cheap Why Is Germany's Electricity So Expensive? - American Experiment

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well for one thing, not a single coal burning power plant has been shut down because windmills replaced them.

Not even one.

So, you are basically saying we're going to keep all the pollution from our coal power plants.... AND pollute with windmills.

Since your method of pollution, does not replace any other.... its just another form of additional pollution.

Coal burning power plants have been shutting down because they are losing money.
Windpower is just one of the sources that has contributed to those closures.

No. That is factually incorrect. Coal burning power plants have been being replaced by natural gas. Not wind mills. There is not a single example anywhere.... ANYWHERE... that wind mill plants have replaced fossil fuel power plants, or nuclear.

And this isn't surprising either when you look at the power generation numbers.

The SMALLEST coal power plant in the entire state of Ohio, is 650 MW of power.
The largest wind farm in the entire state...... 4.5 MW.

You really want to try and argue that a tiny 4.5 MW wind farm, replaced even the smallest of coal power plants? Not even close. They might convert that coal power plant to nat.gas, or build a nuclear power plant, but no, the wind farm did nothing. It replaces nothing.

All of the wind farms across the entire state combined, barely produce 1% of the total power generated in the state. Now that should give you pause.... because if you are a thinking individual, you will notice that the total installed base of wind power capacity is supposedly around 500 MW of installed power... yet still is barely 1% of all power generated. How is that possible?

Answer... .because it's wind power. When the wind stops blowing, the power dies. So the number is completely irrelevant. And by the way, that is another reason that wind power can never replace conventional power.

Even if you combined all the wind farms across the state into a single massive power plant (which you can't. A wind farm in southern ohio, can't transmit power all the way to northern Ohio. You would have to produce enough power in THAT location, to replace a power plant in THAT location).

But let's live in a fantasy world where you could. You combine all the various wind farms into a single 500 MW farm. Great! Now you can shut down that coal burning power plant! Right???

No. You can't. If the power grid requires 500 MW of power, and is relying on that coal power plant.... and you put up a 500 MW wind farm... you still can't shut off that coal power plant. Because if the wind dies.... and the wind farm isn't producing enough power, you can damage the entire power grid. Which then means you have to shut off power to the entire grid until the wind farm starts producing again. That could be days.... even weeks.

You want to shut down our entire society for a day to a week, every time the wind dies down? Not happening.

So I'll say this again..... Wind power does not replace ANYTHING EVER. It never does. When Germany shut down their nuclear power plants, the first thing they did was bring online a bunch of coal power plants. Go read about it. Wind does not replaces anything. If you shut down one source of power, you don't turn on a wind mill. You turn on another conventional, reliable, consistent source of power.

Germany still constructing new coal power stations | Airclim

In fact, even in the mid-term, they contracts with France to get power. Why didn't they just put up more windmills, instead of nuclear power from France, and coal power plants being built in Germany?

Sorry, but the facts are what they are.

GOP propaganda as always super duper.

Renewable energy in Germany is mainly based on wind, solar and biomass. ... The share of renewable electricity rose from just 3.4% of gross electricity consumption in 1990 to exceed 10% by 2005, 20% by 2011 and 30% by 2015, reaching 36.2% of consumption by year end 2017.
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The share of renewable electricity rose from just 3.4% of gross electricity consumption in 1990 to exceed 10% by 2005, 20% by 2011 and 30% by 2015, reaching 36.2% of consumption by year end 2017.

Yup. And they pay triple the rates we do. Moron.

But they have much lower usage so their bills are about the same. They also have much lower prices for internet and basically have it made 6 week vacations great infrastructure living wage Health Care daycare cheap college and training and they tax the rich they're not brainwashed pionz like GOP voters.

But they have much lower usage so their bills are about the same.

That's a great selling point.

Our power is so expensive you can't afford to buy it. Moron.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Actually that is supposedly when it will be irreversible

Yeah, every time the planet warmed a few degrees.....it's irreversible and everything dies......moron. DURR

Sorry you don't like facts, super duper. It's the smart thing to do but we may be able to figure out something scientists haven't foreseen. I just don't know what is so horrible about doing away with pollution and perhaps saving the planet. Takes a good brainwash I guess.....

Sorry you don't like facts, super duper.

Show me one single fact that backs the claim, "in 12 years it will be irreversible if we do nothing as we are now"

I just don't know what is so horrible about doing away with pollution

CO2 isn't pollution.

Ask the climatologist who came up with that theory. All I know is, the GOP is the only party in the world that denies global warming and if you can't notice it you are a brainwashed functional moron.

Ask the climatologist who came up with that theory.

AOC and Greta are morons, they aren't climatologists.

Which climatologist moron came up with that theory?

They're smart enough to listen to honest scientists and news outlets. Unlike only the GOP voter in the entire modern world LOL super duper...

They're smart enough to listen to honest scientists and news outlets

Post the honest scientist who agrees, "in 12 years it will be irreversible if we do nothing as we are now"

 

[francoHFW]

Sorry you don't like facts, super duper. It's the smart thing to do but we may be able to figure out something scientists haven't foreseen. I just don't know what is so horrible about doing away with pollution and perhaps saving the planet. Takes a good brainwash I guess.....

Sorry you don't like facts, super duper.

Show me one single fact that backs the claim, "in 12 years it will be irreversible if we do nothing as we are now"

I just don't know what is so horrible about doing away with pollution

CO2 isn't pollution.

Ask the climatologist who came up with that theory. All I know is, the GOP is the only party in the world that denies global warming and if you can't notice it you are a brainwashed functional moron.

Ask the climatologist who came up with that theory.

AOC and Greta are morons, they aren't climatologists.

Which climatologist moron came up with that theory?

They're smart enough to listen to honest scientists and news outlets. Unlike only the GOP voter in the entire modern world LOL super duper...

They're smart enough to listen to honest scientists and news outlets

Post the honest scientist who agrees, "in 12 years it will be irreversible if we do nothing as we are now"

start with the United Nations and every climatologist that doesn't work for big oil or Fox noise.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQICBAC&usg=AOvVaw0hFW4LJe-3kiBjZdl1zkgg

 

[Rigby5]

Windmills and solar panels are net energy negative.

It takes more energy (from oil) to build them than they give back in their usable life time.

Which means they are NOT an energy source!

Yet another "great" idea from the leftist-greenies! What's next? Run cars on coal? (which is what electricity is produced from)..

That is not true.
They do have about a 10 year pay back time, but they last more than 20 years.
I have done solar and wind many times, and they are very low maintenance in general.
There are some 50 years old that are going strong yet.

 

[cnm]

And this isn't surprising either when you look at the power generation numbers.

Which you obviously haven't done...

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source?
U.S. electricity generation by source, amount, and share of total in 2018

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source? - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)​

 

[westwall]

Windmills and solar panels are net energy negative.

It takes more energy (from oil) to build them than they give back in their usable life time.

Which means they are NOT an energy source!

Yet another "great" idea from the leftist-greenies! What's next? Run cars on coal? (which is what electricity is produced from)..

That is not true.
They do have about a 10 year pay back time, but they last more than 20 years.
I have done solar and wind many times, and they are very low maintenance in general.
There are some 50 years old that are going strong yet.

Windmills are extremely high maintenance. If you claim otherwise you don't know what you are talking about. Solar modules are in general light maintenance dependent.

They must be cleaned regularly otherwise the dust that accumulates will cut efficiency by over 50%.

 

[Muhammed]

The blades are being stored in unlined construction and demolition cell space, since fiberglass is “one of the most inert (Non-toxic)” materials disposed of at the landfill.
​

FYI

"If you've ever come in contact with fiberglass, you already know what it can do to your skin. The tiny fibers of glass from insulation wool can irritate your skin and eyes. If you experience too much contact with fiberglass, it can cause what's called irritant contact dermatitis, or inflammation of the skin. Breathing in fibers can also increase the difficulty of breathing."

Is insulation dangerous?

 

[candycorn]

Free electricity sources challenge the way blob supporters were raised. They are too lazy to adapt so they make false statements like that in this thread.

Solar panels are largely made from silica (which comes from sand).

And it is dangerous and harmful to humans.

Incredibly false.

I guess if you decided to try to eat a solar panel it would probably harm you. Otherwise….there is no danger at all.

 

[candycorn]

Who woulda thunk it? Windmills really, really, suck!


Waste management experts estimate they’ll take hundreds of years to biodegrade






Hundreds of giant windmill blades are being shipped to a landfill in Wyoming to be buried because they simply can’t be recycled.Local media reports several wind farms in the state are sending over 900 un-reusable blades to the Casper Regional Landfill to be buried.


While nearly 90 percent of old or decommissioned wind turbines, like the motor housing, can be refurbished or at least crushed, fiberglass windmill blades present a problem due to their size and strength.



Landfill begins burying non-recyclable Wind Turbine Blades

I've known about these problems for a decade now. It's ridiculous how much of the "pro-Green Energy" people are completely ignorant about how toxic and polluting their 'green-energy' is.

The wind mill blades are made of extremely dangerous fiber glass, which can't be reused, or destroyed, because destroying them would send deadly fiberglass dust into the air. Additionally, the blades wear out constantly. And have to be replaced all the time, just like the generator, and electrical system has be replaced as well.

The same is true, of solar panels. Solar panels have tons of heavy metals in them, and yet can't be recycled, or melted down, or anything. They end up just polluting the ground in some landfill.

It's just amazing how bafflingly ignorant the 'eco-nuts' are. They run around screaming that Republicans want polluted air and water and so on, and yet they themselves are the biggest polluters.

Also, the left insists we use ethanol in our gasoline...despite the fact that the corn grown to make ethanol is responsible for a huge hypoxic area in the Gulf of Mexico.

Large 2019 dead zone in Gulf of Mexico

A dead zone of oxygen-depleted waters forms every summer in the Gulf of Mexico in response to nutrient runoff from the Mississippi River watershed. Scientists have been tracking the summer dead zone for 33 years now, and they have found that this year’s area of low oxygen waters extends for 6,952 square miles (18,006 square km). It is the 8th largest dead zone ever recorded.
​

Not to mention, ethanol production of fuel is a net energy loss.

Professor Ted Patzek, a geoengineering professor at UC Berkley, initially calculated that producing ethanol results in a 65% energy loss. When he looked at it in more detail, including things like fuel used to produce fertilizer, waste water costs, energy used in transportation and other energies involved in ethanol production he concluded that energy consumption may be as high as six times that produced.
​

But, hey...the environment doesn't matter. All that matters is liberals feel good about themselves.

What really tickled the shit out of me about ethanol happened about ten years ago or so. Brazil went to all ehanol fuel and the left couldn't praise and congratulate them enogh for doing so. The fly in that ointment was that they were growing sugar cane to produce the ethanol. And of couse they were cutting and burning the amazon rain forest with slash and burn in order to grow all the sugar cane needed. Then the bottom fell out of the global sigar market, the farmers quit growing sugar cane and they were back to square one only their automotive fleet didn't burn regular petroleum based gasoline worth a shit.
The moral of that story is that if you have some worthless bullshit liberal arts degree, when the conversation turns to anything involving science, engineering or math, sit down and stifle yourself because you've got NOTHING of worth to add.

This thread is pure garbage propaganda as always. Giant cemeteries for turbine blades my ass. LOL it's better than radiation old uranium or coal runoff etcetera etcetera etcetera.

Correct. The thread is pure garbage.

Apparently fiberglass is all of the sudden a problem. We’ve had it in cars, boats, etc… for decades. But if you use it to build a wind turbine and generate electricity that doesn’t pollute the atmosphere…for some reason blob supporters don’t like that all of the sudden.

The OP makes me laugh.

 

[Muhammed]

What will archeologists think in 500 years?

Aliens...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sorry you don't like facts, super duper.

Show me one single fact that backs the claim, "in 12 years it will be irreversible if we do nothing as we are now"

I just don't know what is so horrible about doing away with pollution

CO2 isn't pollution.

Ask the climatologist who came up with that theory. All I know is, the GOP is the only party in the world that denies global warming and if you can't notice it you are a brainwashed functional moron.

Ask the climatologist who came up with that theory.

AOC and Greta are morons, they aren't climatologists.

Which climatologist moron came up with that theory?

They're smart enough to listen to honest scientists and news outlets. Unlike only the GOP voter in the entire modern world LOL super duper...

They're smart enough to listen to honest scientists and news outlets

Post the honest scientist who agrees, "in 12 years it will be irreversible if we do nothing as we are now"

start with the United Nations and every climatologist that doesn't work for big oil or Fox noise.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQICBAC&usg=AOvVaw0hFW4LJe-3kiBjZdl1zkgg

I'm supposed to search for proof for your stupid claim?

You're a special kind of moron, aren't ya boy?

 

[Dekster]

Who woulda thunk it? Windmills really, really, suck!


Waste management experts estimate they’ll take hundreds of years to biodegrade






Hundreds of giant windmill blades are being shipped to a landfill in Wyoming to be buried because they simply can’t be recycled.Local media reports several wind farms in the state are sending over 900 un-reusable blades to the Casper Regional Landfill to be buried.


While nearly 90 percent of old or decommissioned wind turbines, like the motor housing, can be refurbished or at least crushed, fiberglass windmill blades present a problem due to their size and strength.



Landfill begins burying non-recyclable Wind Turbine Blades

I've known about these problems for a decade now. It's ridiculous how much of the "pro-Green Energy" people are completely ignorant about how toxic and polluting their 'green-energy' is.

The wind mill blades are made of extremely dangerous fiber glass, which can't be reused, or destroyed, because destroying them would send deadly fiberglass dust into the air. Additionally, the blades wear out constantly. And have to be replaced all the time, just like the generator, and electrical system has be replaced as well.

The same is true, of solar panels. Solar panels have tons of heavy metals in them, and yet can't be recycled, or melted down, or anything. They end up just polluting the ground in some landfill.

It's just amazing how bafflingly ignorant the 'eco-nuts' are. They run around screaming that Republicans want polluted air and water and so on, and yet they themselves are the biggest polluters.

Also, the left insists we use ethanol in our gasoline...despite the fact that the corn grown to make ethanol is responsible for a huge hypoxic area in the Gulf of Mexico.

Large 2019 dead zone in Gulf of Mexico

A dead zone of oxygen-depleted waters forms every summer in the Gulf of Mexico in response to nutrient runoff from the Mississippi River watershed. Scientists have been tracking the summer dead zone for 33 years now, and they have found that this year’s area of low oxygen waters extends for 6,952 square miles (18,006 square km). It is the 8th largest dead zone ever recorded.
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Not to mention, ethanol production of fuel is a net energy loss.

Professor Ted Patzek, a geoengineering professor at UC Berkley, initially calculated that producing ethanol results in a 65% energy loss. When he looked at it in more detail, including things like fuel used to produce fertilizer, waste water costs, energy used in transportation and other energies involved in ethanol production he concluded that energy consumption may be as high as six times that produced.
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But, hey...the environment doesn't matter. All that matters is liberals feel good about themselves.

What really tickled the shit out of me about ethanol happened about ten years ago or so. Brazil went to all ehanol fuel and the left couldn't praise and congratulate them enogh for doing so. The fly in that ointment was that they were growing sugar cane to produce the ethanol. And of couse they were cutting and burning the amazon rain forest with slash and burn in order to grow all the sugar cane needed. Then the bottom fell out of the global sigar market, the farmers quit growing sugar cane and they were back to square one only their automotive fleet didn't burn regular petroleum based gasoline worth a shit.
The moral of that story is that if you have some worthless bullshit liberal arts degree, when the conversation turns to anything involving science, engineering or math, sit down and stifle yourself because you've got NOTHING of worth to add.

Actually it is Republican farmers who insist on ethanol and Republican senators from those states in the Midwest. Like everything else you know, it's wrong. We have 400 wind turbines within 20 miles and none of the problems you go on about happen. The GOP is the Big oil swamp duh.

If we are doing nothing, how do you have 400 wind turbines near you?