WOW, shades of 2016 - Bernie-ism = Trump-ism

[Norman]

Actually, your post prove that Trump supporters are the same with the exception of hating whitey.

Golfing Gator, you delusional left winger, are you suggesting democrats (illegal aliens, blacks and browns offset by jews) have higher IQ's than American citizens of European extraction who built the Western World?

Dude, I am very sure my dog has a higher IQ than you and most of the Trump worshipers on this forum.

ALL the average 60 IQ folks are voting democrat.

And you did not even get that this was his absolutely true point.

And yet it was your god that said this..."I love the poorly educated".

With the state of today's public schools... having 75 genders... the anal sex seimars... the poorly educated are better educated than the educated.

Democrats successfully removed all the value from degrees.

 

[gipper]

Pretty funny watching MSNBC's Joy Reid say, "wow, we really underestimated how angry and frustrated and animated these people are. The party had better pay attention to this".

And EXACTLY the same thing was said about Trump and the Trumpsters in 2016. I say it all the time: The two ends can be SO DAMN SIMILAR.

Bernie is this year's Trump, at least for the Democrats.

MSNBC Melts Down As Bernie Sanders Projected To Win Nevada Caucuses
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The ends can be similar. But in this case it is a good thing. IN both cases, the people are rebelling against their out of touch leadership, a leadership that feels that their leadership is their RIght, instead of a Responsibility.


The the left is going even further left? NOt so good.

Oh there are numerous similarities.

Hillary supporters were sure she would win, just as Donnie supporters are today.

O and Hillary supporters ignored their candidate’s devotion to the extreme wealthy and the MIC, and Donnie supporters are doing the same thing.

 

[gipper]

Bernie was cheated. She had the DNC and the MSM in her pocket. Of course, he was cheated.

She also got 3 million move votes and gathered more delegates.

The fact that the superdelegates weren't going to support a guy who wasn't even in their party and no one really liked is besides the point.

If anyone was cheated, it was probably Hillary in 2008, who actually got more votes than Obama, but because of various machinations, he got more delegates. Which was fine, Obama was the stronger candidate.

Has it occurred to you that the cheating had something to do with that?

 

[sparky]

The Many Faces of Bernie Derangement Syndrome - CounterPunch.org

~S~

 

[JoeB131]

With the state of today's public schools... having 75 genders... the anal sex seimars... the poorly educated are better educated than the educated.

Democrats successfully removed all the value from degrees.

yeah, funny thing, I've never met that person who has the degree in "Anal sex".

Yup, the right wing. Using your sexual anxiety to get you to vote against your own economic interests since 1968.

 

[Norman]

With the state of today's public schools... having 75 genders... the anal sex seimars... the poorly educated are better educated than the educated.

Democrats successfully removed all the value from degrees.

yeah, funny thing, I've never met that person who has the degree in "Anal sex".

Yup, the right wing. Using your sexual anxiety to get you to vote against your own economic interests since 1968.

You moron, you can't get a degree in it. It's class you can take at Harvard.

If you want equally as ridiculous degrees with even worse job prospects, try gender studies.

 

[Mac1958]

The Many Faces of Bernie Derangement Syndrome - CounterPunch.org
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Yeah, we'll be seeing "BDS" next. Wingers.....
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[gipper]

The Many Faces of Bernie Derangement Syndrome - CounterPunch.org

~S~

There is a lot to dislike about Bernie. No doubt about it. Is there a major politician alive that doesn’t have a jaded past?

 

[toobfreak]

My goodness. You're obsessed.

Nope, just that your meaningless garbage rants pop up everywhere like fungus. You are quickly zeroing in on taking over IM2's ranking for most idiot troll.

Off to the Never-Neverland of Ignoredom for you. Now you can tell me how obsessed I am with your opinions about nothing all to your heart's content.

I don't ignore Mac. I actually think he means well. His pride however won't allow him to become self aware about his own hypocrisy.

Someone like joeb does not mean well. People like him are full blown traitors and enemies to human liberty and should be treated like that.

Period.

I couldn't agree more! Mac's basic message that our politics are out of control and corrupt and not serving the people is a valid one, just that like IM2, the way he goes about saying it just offends and turns people away instead of encouraging them to listen and debate. And as he loses more audience, his message only gets more shrill in frustration. Saying that there is no difference between the parties and that one is as bad as the other because both use similar tools of campaigning, etc., makes about as much sense as saying that the Allied Forces of WWII were just as bad as Hitler because both sides threw bombs at each other.

That leaves Mac with really no point in posting here at all because his only point anymore is to disagree with everyone on every thread to claim that ALL POLITICS BAD. He used to at least have some good points. He's not going to change nor reform a thing that way and I think you will find a near 100% correlation between those whom agree that our politics needs reform being nearly solely on the Conservative side while getting almost no agreement from the Hard Left that their party has a problem at all. That alone makes the point of the differences in the parties.

The recent Impeachment is the ideal example: OTOH, you had the Democrats who absolutely abused the system to the farthest most extreme limit possible tearing down our rule of law, while the Republicans used the framework of our system to preserve and uphold it. Mind you, I'm not saying the GOP did nothing wrong, didn't game the system or have partisan designs, what I'm saying is that the DNC operates now as a basically volatile, anarchistic machine tearing at the threads of our Republic seeking to fundamentally change the nation from what the Founders intended whereas the GOP works to preserve it. Had the democrats succeeded in removing Trump, the destructive effects of that action would have had massive repercussions for decades.

So, is there any movement - voice in politics to reform our political system as Mac might wish? I don't think so. At the heart of the problem is MONEY, and the more money involved, the more corruption. If you want to clean up and fix politics, you need to get money out of it.

ITMT, Mac is adding nothing to the discussion. Many/most on the Right would at least concede they are not happy with the status quo whereas most of the hard left here seem just fine with it. Indeed, it really is the Left which is most driving it, and like any company in competition to survive, they are dragging the GOP down into the mud with them just to keep up.

SAY WHAT YOU WILL ABOUT TRUMP BUT HIS BASIC MESSAGE IS SOUND: That politics, politicians and Washington are FUCKED UP, and he is there to throw a wrench into the gears by ramming the bullshit right back into their faces. You would think that would resonate with a person like Mac but it doesn't.

Saying he's imperfect is missing the point: we are likely not ever again in our lifetimes going to get someone like him fight this way against a corrupt system at so great a personal cost. And if anyone thinks Bloomberg is going to fight for reform, they're an idiot: Bloomberg will only make it far worse.

But months ago I resolved that my time is just too valuable to waste here on reading and responding to people who just never get it, or don't ever have anything CONSTRUCTIVE, FRUITFUL or COGENT to say, it all amounts to NOISE. I've no time for eternal noise. My time here is better spent with people who actually see the big picture or are at least ADDRESSABLE in our differences and disagreements, as the point here is DISCUSSION. People whom I find impossible to ever have any sort of purposeful DISCUSSION eventually go on Ignore. In the real world, people must deal with how things actually ARE and making the best of them if they have any hope of really effecting positive change rather than forever spinning their wheels in the mud griping about IDEALS and projecting their misplaced frustrations on the subjects of our bad politics rather than those actually responsible for perpetrating it on us.

 

[Mac1958]

holy crap

 

[OldLady]

holy crap

He made some really good points, Mac.
Since I've read the liberals here, for the most part I think they have points to make. I don't agree with him putting them on ignore because he can't change their minds. The mindless support for every stupid or immoral or inappropriate thing Trump does is far more sickening, but he can't see that.
Still, he made some really good points.

 

[NightFox]

Yes, the similarities between the attitudes of the Trump fanatics during the 2016 election and the Bernie fanatics this year are striking.

Of course that's been the case throughout history with fanatics, they abandon common sense and decency in favor of what they believe is a "higher cause" and nothing will convince them that the object of their adulation might not be as worthy as they believe it is.

"Socialists ignore the side of man that is of the spirit, They can provide shelter, fill your belly with bacon and beans, treat you when you’re ill , All the things that are guaranteed to a prisoner or a slave. But they don’t understand we also dream, yes, even of owning a yacht." -- Ronald Reagan

 

[JoeB131]

You moron, you can't get a degree in it. It's class you can take at Harvard.

If you want equally as ridiculous degrees with even worse job prospects, try gender studies.

Good point. I never met a person who majored in that, either, after having written thousands of resumes for working people.

The closest I had was someone who minored in black studies, but he majored in something useful and we both agreed his minor wasn't worth putting on his resume.

 

[Norman]

You moron, you can't get a degree in it. It's class you can take at Harvard.

If you want equally as ridiculous degrees with even worse job prospects, try gender studies.

Good point. I never met a person who majored in that, either, after having written thousands of resumes for working people.

The closest I had was someone who minored in black studies, but he majored in something useful and we both agreed his minor wasn't worth putting on his resume.

You if anyone should know the bullshit degrees by heart.

 

[JoeB131]

So, is there any movement - voice in politics to reform our political system as Mac might wish? I don't think so. At the heart of the problem is MONEY, and the more money involved, the more corruption. If you want to clean up and fix politics, you need to get money out of it.

Okay... I agree, the idea is to get money out. How is Trump doing that, exactly? Well, he just fired the guy who paid him a million dollars to be Ambassador to the EU... Oh, wait, that was after the guy testified to Congress he was shaking down the Ukraine.

Saying he's imperfect is missing the point: we are likely not ever again in our lifetimes going to get someone like him fight this way against a corrupt system at so great a personal cost. And if anyone thinks Bloomberg is going to fight for reform, they're an idiot: Bloomberg will only make it far worse.

Well, here's the thing. Bloomberg doesn't need to line his own pockets like Trump is currently doing by diverting contracts to his own use. He's REALLY a billionaire, unlike Trump who just plays one on TV.

 

[JoeB131]

You if anyone should know the bullshit degrees by heart.

I agree. Most degrees are actually bullshit. But the Academic-Industrial complex has made them necessary.

Let me tell you a little story. In 2008, my company fucked me over and cured me of Republican Stupidity forever. Three buyers from my department, all of us with over 15-20 years experience at that point, were all let go about the same time. (Because the rat-bastard who ran the branch figured he could just get college kids to do it cheaper, with their bullshit degrees.)

Now, myself. I have a bullshit degree in History, or as I like to say, "Management of Things that have Already Happened."

Because I had a degree, the applicant tracking software that normally kicks out resumes picked mine up, and I had another gig lined up within three weeks, and a good thing, too, because the Recession hit right after that. Being a veteran probably also helped.

NOW- The other fellow only had "SOME" college. It took him five months to find a job. The lady with no college but the most experience took TWO YEARS to find a job.

So yeah, funny thing, our system values people with a "bullshit degree" as you say, more than actual experience. People without them rarely get their resumes past a computer to where a human being sees them.

 

[Mac-7]

Bernie stands for “something for nothing”

and that appeals to a lot of people raised in the socialist public schools

Really? Frankly, I was a product of Catholic education, and I understand the appeal.

These kids look at Mom and Dad working two jobs each to put a roof over their heads, living paycheck to paycheck while the guys like Mac are putting the screws to them. They look at their own futures of not having kids until they are 30 because they won't have their student loans paid off until then.

I don't support Bernie, but I understand why he's a thing. Just like I understand why Trump was a thing.

the similarity between Trump and Bernie is that they both tap into an economy that has left most of us behind, struggling day to day with no real security.

While Trump has used racism to blame people of color for this, Bernie puts the blame where it actually belongs. His solutions are shit, but at least he's identified the problem.

Trump has not used racism nor have trump voters

its understood that globalism is to blame for the job losses experienced in the middle class

factory jobs that used to be here but are now in china

but racism is an issue since democrats are using migrants from latin America to flood the job market that used to be owned by poor Americans of all races

the left wants socialism and the more poor people they can import or manufacture the better it is for the socialist verging on communist democrat party

 

[Mac-7]

You if anyone should know the bullshit degrees by heart.

I agree. Most degrees are actually bullshit. But the Academic-Industrial complex has made them necessary.

Let me tell you a little story. In 2008, my company fucked me over and cured me of Republican Stupidity forever. Three buyers from my department, all of us with over 15-20 years experience at that point, were all let go about the same time. (Because the rat-bastard who ran the branch figured he could just get college kids to do it cheaper, with their bullshit degrees.)

Now, myself. I have a bullshit degree in History, or as I like to say, "Management of Things that have Already Happened."

Because I had a degree, the applicant tracking software that normally kicks out resumes picked mine up, and I had another gig lined up within three weeks, and a good thing, too, because the Recession hit right after that. Being a veteran probably also helped.

NOW- The other fellow only had "SOME" college. It took him five months to find a job. The lady with no college but the most experience took TWO YEARS to find a job.

So yeah, funny thing, our system values people with a "bullshit degree" as you say, more than actual experience. People without them rarely get their resumes past a computer to where a human being sees them.

The greedy leftwing academics are lining their pockets with federal loan money through tuitions but libs blame conservative repubs that had nothing to do with it

 

[Hellokitty]

Pretty funny watching MSNBC's Joy Reid say, "wow, we really underestimated how angry and frustrated and animated these people are. The party had better pay attention to this".

And EXACTLY the same thing was said about Trump and the Trumpsters in 2016. I say it all the time: The two ends can be SO DAMN SIMILAR.

Bernie is this year's Trump, at least for the Democrats.

MSNBC Melts Down As Bernie Sanders Projected To Win Nevada Caucuses
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The difference with TRUMP and Bernie is TRUMP's message in 2016 was supported by the majority of republicans.

 

[Mac-7]

Pretty funny watching MSNBC's Joy Reid say, "wow, we really underestimated how angry and frustrated and animated these people are. The party had better pay attention to this".

And EXACTLY the same thing was said about Trump and the Trumpsters in 2016. I say it all the time: The two ends can be SO DAMN SIMILAR.

Bernie is this year's Trump, at least for the Democrats.

Yes, Stormy Mac, you probably STILL don't get what animated Trump or Bernie.

It's that most of us don't have money in Wall Street. Most of us are just struggling to get by day to day getting cut off on the way to work by some douchebag in a Lexus.

I personally think Bernie is a bit overblown. He's gotten less of the Primary vote than he got in 2016 in the three contests so far.

But he stands for something that people can relate to while everyone else is, "don't upset Wall Street".

Bernie stands for “something for nothing”

and that appeals to a lot of people raised in the socialist public schools

The cabal in Congress stands for you know who, but somehow you can’t see it. Even though it’s right in front of you. Maybe a picture will help...

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