Trump Says He Believes Putin Would Abide by Any Ukraine Peace Deal - Proving Hillary Clinton Was Right About Trump and Putin

[AZrailwhale]

It benefits Putin to not go directly against the agreed upon wishes with The USA

No it doesn’t or he would never have invaded Ukraine in violation of the agreement made when Ukraine gave up its nukes.

 

[MisterBeale]

At the start of January 2015, Russia sent another large batch of its regular military, which together with separatist forces of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) began a new offensive on Ukrainian-controlled areas, resulting in the complete collapse of the Minsk Protocol ceasefire.

Minsk agreements - Wikipedia​

Every intelligent person knows that the Wiki is wholly biased and unreliable for relating to the public actual unbiased political reality.

Wikipedia - Wikispooks

wikispooks.com

Wikipedia and Propaganda

Is Wikipedia an open encyclopedia or a covert propaganda platform?

swprs.org

Please tell me, you aren't really naive enough to fall for that garbage?

Ukraine’s Poison Pill for Peace Talks​

March 19, 2015
By Robert Parry

Ukraine's Poison Pill for Peace Talks

Exclusive: The Ukraine government’s latest maneuver undermining the Minsk-2 agreement with a requirement for a rebel surrender is likely to drive the country back into a full-scale civil war and push the U.S. and Russia closer to a nuclear showdown, reports Robert Parry. By Robert Parry

consortiumnews.com

". . . But the implementing law that emerged this week from the Ukrainian parliament in Kiev inserted a clause requiring the rebels to first surrender to the Ukrainian government and then letting Kiev organize elections before a federalized structure is determined.

The Minsk-2 agreement had called for dialogue with the representatives of these territories en route to elections and establishment of broad autonomy for the region, but Kiev’s curveball was to refuse any talks with rebel leaders and insist on establishing control over these territories before the process can move forward, in effect requiring a rebel capitulation.

Reflecting that view, Vadim Karasyov, director of the independent Institute of Global Strategies in Kiev, said: “Ukraine isn’t going to go along with any legalization of those so-called people’s republics. We need them to be dismantled,” according to the Christian Science Monitor.

The leaders of the Donetsk and Luhansk “people’s republics” have protested this bait-and-switch tactic, declaring in a statement that the change was unacceptable: “We agreed to a special status for the Donbass within a renewed Ukraine, although our people wanted total independence. We agreed to this to avoid the spilling of fraternal blood.”

Kiev’s maneuver reflecting the bellicose position of neocon Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and other U.S. hardliners puts pressure on German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande to either get Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko to return to the original understanding of Minsk-2 or watch the fighting resume leading to a potential showdown between nuclear-armed Russia and the United States on Russia’s border.

The surrender-first-negotiate-later stipulation also raises questions about the strength of Merkel and President Barack Obama to overcome resistance from America’s powerful neoconservatives who have exploited the Ukraine crisis to isolate Russia and drive a wedge between Obama and Putin. The two leaders had cooperated to reduce tensions with Syria and Iran in 2013 when the neocons were hoping for more “regime change.”

The wiki can lie all it wants about what happened, but we have the video, the public knows.

Leaked phone call reveals fiery exchange between Putin, Macron days before Ukraine war

French President Emmanuel Macron and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin had an intense argument over the phone about Ukraine just four days before Moscow’s forces invaded the country.

nypost.com

". . Putin then took issue with Zelensky’s apparent refusal to negotiate with pro-Kremlin Ukrainian separatists, which infuriated the French president and prompted him to exclaim in audible frustration: “I don’t know where your lawyer learned law!”

Un Président, l'Europe et la guerre

Le 1er janvier 2022, la France prend la présidence du Conseil de l'Union européenne. En entamant son mandat le président français entend pousser de nombreuses réformes auprès de ses partenaires. Mais la guerre en Ukraine bouleverse ses plans. L'Europe, stupéfaite, doit alors affronter sur son...

www.france.tv

Macron and Putin negotiated about Ukraine a while ago​

(This phone call is between Putin and Macron, four days before the invasion, taken from the above linked documentary.)





It was after that, the invasion started.

Months later, Merkle admitted that they were not in the Minsk negotiations in good faith. Their intention was only to give Ukraine time to arm up and oppress ethnic Russians in the Donbas.

Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War with Russia - CovertAction Magazine

War was inevitable outcome of 2014 U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel said in an interview with Die Zeit, published on December 7, that “the 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give time to Ukraine. It…used this time to become stronger as can be seen today. The...

covertactionmagazine.com

Macron Agrees With Merkel: Minsk Accord Helped Europe Prepare for Putin

Merkel admitted in December 2022 that the Minsk agreements were an effective ruse to give Ukraine time to 'get stronger'

trendsinthenews.substack.com

 

[MisterBeale]

You Ruskie Trolls are out in force. It's pathetic.

Oh. . . a strawman/ad hom argument?

Nice to see you admit that you are full of shit.

 

[Billiejeens]

No it doesn’t or he would never have invaded Ukraine in violation of the agreement made when Ukraine gave up its nukes.

Biden said that he could.

 

[gtopa1]

Am I the only one here who is of the view that Biden gave his notorious "size of the incursion" go ahead to cover his dealings with corrupt Ukes? And that phone call to Trump that resulted in Impeachment? Did Zel run cover for Joe? The end point is: Putin must not win but the war must end; Putes cannot get what he wanted and needs to settle for what he can get.

Just wondering?

Greg

 

[Donald H]

please try not to feed the ding Troll, as IT will simply derail and hijack this thread.


D

Don't worry, i've shut ding down for a while.

I doubt that there's going to be any chance of a rational discussion here, with or without him.

FYI: There's no chance that America can give up on the war. It's a war against Russia.

If you understand that, we might be able to talk. I think that truth has gone over everybody else's heads

Or more likely, it's impossible for any Americans on this board to admit it.

See Jeffery Sachs truth if you haven't got it yet.

 

[ding]

Don't worry, i've shut ding down for a while. I doubt that there's going to be any chance of a rational discussion here, with or without him. FYI: There's no chance that America can give up on the war. It's a war against Russia. If you understand that, we might be able to talk. I think that truth has gone over everybody else's heads Or more likely, it's impossible for any Americans on this board to admit it. See Jeffery Sachs truth if you haven't got it yet.

Bleeding Russia dry is an awesome strategy. Let's bankrupt them, my friend!!!

 

[Billiejeens]

Don't worry, i've shut ding down for a while.

I doubt that there's going to be any chance of a rational discussion here, with or without him.

FYI: There's no chance that America can give up on the war. It's a war against Russia.

If you understand that, we might be able to talk. I think that truth has gone over everybody else's heads

Or more likely, it's impossible for any Americans on this board to admit it.

See Jeffery Sachs truth if you haven't got it yet.

You are an irrelevant piece of shit
That's the truth.

 

[Donald H]

Bleeding Russia dry is an awesome strategy. Let's bankrupt them, my friend!!!

Praise Him as you kill!

 

[Donald H]

You are an irrelevant piece of shit
That's the truth.

But that's not Tru-doh.

 

[Dante]

When Trump is claiming Putin will abide by any Ukraine Peace Deal, I say "In what world?" (note: Georgia text OP's own words)

This is one of the reasons Putin feared Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden as well as Harris - they all viewed Putin as what he is -- an enemy of freedom, and enemy of liberty, and enemy of democracy, an enemy of the people of the USA.


Trump Says He Believes Putin Would Abide by Any Ukraine Peace Deal -

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During a visit to the White House by the British prime minister, President Trump refused to pledge U.S. military support for a peacekeeping force for Ukraine.​

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President Trump said Thursday that he trusted President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia not to violate the terms of a potential peace deal with Ukraine, even as he refused to pledge U.S. military support for a peacekeeping force.​

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“I think he’ll keep his word,” Mr. Trump said of Mr. Putin as he hosted Britain’s prime minister, Keir Starmer, at the White House.​

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Of Mr. Putin, the president said, “I’ve known him for a long time now.”​

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Trump Says He Believes Putin Would Abide by Any Ukraine Peace Deal - Proving Hillary Clinton Was Right About Trump and Putin - Back in 2018, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, criticized Trump, saying ‘hardly anybody who believes in freedom gets along with’ Putin

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In January 2016 while debating another candidate for the Democrats' presidential race, Bernie Sanders, Ms Clinton was asked about her relationship with Mr Putin.​

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"It's interesting. We've had some very tough dealings with one another," she said with a little smile.​

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That was an understatement.​

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For the last seven years, Ms Clinton and Mr Putin have been in a tit-for-tat battle of words, with their language sometimes becoming quite heated.​

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The two first encountered each other in an official capacity while Ms Clinton was serving as secretary of state, and Mr Putin was taking some time off from being president of Russia by being prime minister of Russia.​

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At the time, life was good for Mr Putin.​

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Though he was frustrated by being constitutionally relegated to the number two job behind his sidekick Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian people were generally supportive of him and he felt like a man on top.​

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When Ms Clinton and Mr Putin met, she thought he was trying to establish dominance and she called it "manspreading".​

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She said he took her into his inner sanctum and showed her a map of the places he was intending to tag polar bears. He asked her to extend an invitation to her husband Bill to come along.​

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When she jokingly offering to go instead, Mr Putin was apparently unimpressed.​

Clinton to Fallon: Trump, Putin have ‘the most famous bromance going’​

2016

Trump Says He Believes Putin Would Abide by Any Ukraine Peace Deal - Proving Hillary Clinton Was Right About Trump and Putin​

When Trump is claiming Putin will abide by any Ukraine Peace Deal, I say "In what world?" (note: Georgia text OP's own words)

This is one of the reasons Putin feared Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden as well as Harris - they all viewed Putin as what he is -- an enemy of freedom, and enemy of liberty, and enemy of democracy, an enemy of the people of the USA.


Trump Says He Believes Putin Would Abide by Any Ukraine Peace Deal -

 

[Dante]

Oh. . . a strawman/ad hom argument?

Nice to see you admit that you are full of shit.

When Trump is claiming Putin will abide by any Ukraine Peace Deal, I say "In what world?" (note: Georgia text OP's own words)

This is one of the reasons Putin feared Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden as well as Harris - they all viewed Putin as what he is -- an enemy of freedom, and enemy of liberty, and enemy of democracy, an enemy of the people of the USA.

MAGA PATRIOTISM - LEADER OVER THE PEOPLE

Okie Dokie

 

[MisterBeale]

When Trump is claiming Putin will abide by any Ukraine Peace Deal, I say "In what world?" (note: Georgia text OP's own words)

This is one of the reasons Putin feared Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden as well as Harris - they all viewed Putin as what he is -- an enemy of freedom, and enemy of liberty, and enemy of democracy, an enemy of the people of the USA.

MAGA PATRIOTISM - LEADER OVER THE PEOPLE

Okie Dokie

 

[ding]

Praise Him as you kill!

The flesh is of no avail.

 

[ding]

But that's not Tru-doh.

 

[krichton]

If any of your Orange Heads need any proof you are on the wrong train, Trump vouching for Putin's integrity should rein you up tightly.

Trump will always vouch for the integrity of any dictator. Much less so for any allie.

 

[theHawk]

When Trump is claiming Putin will abide by any Ukraine Peace Deal, I say "In what world?" (note: Georgia text OP's own words)

This is one of the reasons Putin feared Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden as well as Harris - they all viewed Putin as what he is -- an enemy of freedom, and enemy of liberty, and enemy of democracy, an enemy of the people of the USA.


Trump Says He Believes Putin Would Abide by Any Ukraine Peace Deal -

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During a visit to the White House by the British prime minister, President Trump refused to pledge U.S. military support for a peacekeeping force for Ukraine.​

​

President Trump said Thursday that he trusted President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia not to violate the terms of a potential peace deal with Ukraine, even as he refused to pledge U.S. military support for a peacekeeping force.​

​

“I think he’ll keep his word,” Mr. Trump said of Mr. Putin as he hosted Britain’s prime minister, Keir Starmer, at the White House.​

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Of Mr. Putin, the president said, “I’ve known him for a long time now.”​

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Trump Says He Believes Putin Would Abide by Any Ukraine Peace Deal - Proving Hillary Clinton Was Right About Trump and Putin - Back in 2018, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, criticized Trump, saying ‘hardly anybody who believes in freedom gets along with’ Putin

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In January 2016 while debating another candidate for the Democrats' presidential race, Bernie Sanders, Ms Clinton was asked about her relationship with Mr Putin.​

​

"It's interesting. We've had some very tough dealings with one another," she said with a little smile.​

​

That was an understatement.​

​

For the last seven years, Ms Clinton and Mr Putin have been in a tit-for-tat battle of words, with their language sometimes becoming quite heated.​

​

The two first encountered each other in an official capacity while Ms Clinton was serving as secretary of state, and Mr Putin was taking some time off from being president of Russia by being prime minister of Russia.​

​

At the time, life was good for Mr Putin.​

​

Though he was frustrated by being constitutionally relegated to the number two job behind his sidekick Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian people were generally supportive of him and he felt like a man on top.​

​

When Ms Clinton and Mr Putin met, she thought he was trying to establish dominance and she called it "manspreading".​

​

She said he took her into his inner sanctum and showed her a map of the places he was intending to tag polar bears. He asked her to extend an invitation to her husband Bill to come along.​

​

When she jokingly offering to go instead, Mr Putin was apparently unimpressed.​

Clinton to Fallon: Trump, Putin have ‘the most famous bromance going’​

2016

Oh give it up.

Why didn’t Biden “commit peacekeeping troops” to Ukraine?

Funny now the President Trump is back in office, you now want him to deploy US troops there to fight in Ukraine’s war.

The only reason you want this, is because you know it will be deeply unpopular with the country and then you can attack President Trump.