Wow, people new more about evolution in 1925 than Republicans do today!

[toobfreak]

Sorry to bust Professor Indies bubble here, but microwave radiation only travel's at 1C in free space in a vacuum. They are just radio waves. It isn't red-shifted down from a higher state if it was generated as a microwave! And microwaves do not travel forever (maybe in theory but rarely in practicality as they are direct straight line only), the power density of EM waves is proportional to the inverse of the square of the distance they travel, so for every doubling of their distance, their power is quartered. MWR is highly reactionary to the medium they travel in, so unless in absolute unfettered free space, often get blocked or absorbed as heat which is why they are so good at cooking food because water molecules resonate well at their frequency!

From what you stated, microwaves are only good for cooking in a confined space isn't it? Out in space or spacetime, they aren't confined and do get blocked out. What do you think is causing it, seemingly everywhere space is? I guess it is a form of radiation or heat, but we do not see it like we normally see heat as an orange red color.

It's a matter of efficiency. Your microwave oven confines and reflects the energy to limit the amount of power needed put into it to get sufficient power to heat and cook the food in a reasonable time by shaking the water molecules. Standing waves develop at the nodes of the compartment causing hot and cold spots which is why they rotate the food.

Out in space left untouched in a straight line, they merely fade in strength from a given source over distance like any wavefront. Since the CMB is basically coming from all directions, it is pretty even. There is no "direction" you can look in to say the big bang happened over "there" because "there" was originally a point source or "everywhere," then space expanded giving us here, there and everywhere.

A lot of people mistakenly believe the CMB is a signal from the creation of the universe, but it actually is the radiational background "stretched-out" from the expansion of space just as the sound of a train goes lower as it passes. What remains today is down in the low end of the microwave region almost into the UHF band (radio). You could actually kind of detect some of it in the old days if you tuned between TV channels and looked at the static noise pattern on the tube. Some of that was the CMB of the universe.

After the universe began, once it cooled enough, it eventually cooled to where protons and electrons could form and matter and energy were able to separate from each other. It was at that point that a "spherical surface of last scattering" occurred which is the farthest back in time we can see, about 13.8 billion light years back. That's not to say the universe isn't older, just that this is the farthest back we can see where ordinary matter began and energy decoupled from it to form what we hear today as a cool hiss just above absolute zero. Hopefully that makes a little sense and answers your questions.

 

[deanrd]

It was completely controlled by white conservatives. Who were the Democrats in the 20s and 30s all the way up to the 60s. That’s when the white conservatives left the Democratic Party and became Republicans. At least you have to admit that today’s Republicans are white conservatives. And you know Lincoln was never a confederate.

You do know that Lincoln was never a confederate?

Precisely, dill weed. Lincoln wasn't a confederate. Your people were and your people locked up Scopes for teaching evolution which flushes your entire troll thread right down the toilet, so you can shut up now and save yourself from further embarrassment.

But Republicans are confederates. That's why you see the Confederate Flag at their conventions.

Silly.

History says otherwise, and Democrats are tearing down Confederate statues to erase their history of slavery.

They are still Confederates, who've now adopted Communism, and seek to replace the old slavery of black-to-white with the slavery of all to the State.

Why would Republicans want to keep monuments to the enemy?

Are you sure you've thought this through?

It is all American history and should be clearly remembered so the Democrats can't do it again.

Lame. Republicans don’t care about history. They care about money and power.

 

[deanrd]

Wow, people new more about evolution in 1925 than Republicans do today!

Wow! Another half-baked libtard talking about how stupid others are who still doesn't now the difference between:

• NEW: Something just created. And
• KNEW: Past tense comprehension or cogitation of an intellectual matter.

But then there's that keyword: comprehension. Leaves ol' Dean in the dust every time. Mouth moves, but the brain sleeps.

Wow, you couldn’t attack the topic, so you attacked me. Pitiful, just pitiful.

 

[toobfreak]

Precisely, dill weed. Lincoln wasn't a confederate. Your people were and your people locked up Scopes for teaching evolution which flushes your entire troll thread right down the toilet, so you can shut up now and save yourself from further embarrassment.

But Republicans are confederates. That's why you see the Confederate Flag at their conventions.

Silly.

History says otherwise, and Democrats are tearing down Confederate statues to erase their history of slavery.

They are still Confederates, who've now adopted Communism, and seek to replace the old slavery of black-to-white with the slavery of all to the State.

Why would Republicans want to keep monuments to the enemy?

Are you sure you've thought this through?

It is all American history and should be clearly remembered so the Democrats can't do it again.

Lame. Republicans don’t care about history. They care about money and power.

Is that why all Democrats ever promise their dependents is more money and power for them if they just keep voting for them?

 

[Grumblenuts]

13.8 billion light years back. That's not to say the universe isn't older, just that this is the farthest back we can see where ordinary matter began and energy decoupled from it to form what we hear today as a cool hiss just above absolute zero.

So how much older do you think it could be? A significant amount or just a fraction of a second? Was "space" required for the initial super hot energy to exist? Does "dark matter" or "dark energy" require "space" or do you suppose the opposite may in fact be the case?

 

[toobfreak]

Wow, people new more about evolution in 1925 than Republicans do today!

Wow! Another half-baked libtard talking about how stupid others are who still doesn't now the difference between:

• NEW: Something just created. And
• KNEW: Past tense comprehension or cogitation of an intellectual matter.

But then there's that keyword: comprehension. Leaves ol' Dean in the dust every time. Mouth moves, but the brain sleeps.

Wow, you couldn’t attack the topic, so you attacked me. Pitiful, just pitiful.

Do you ever have any topic other than what a shithead you actually bare?

 

[toobfreak]

13.8 billion light years back. That's not to say the universe isn't older, just that this is the farthest back we can see where ordinary matter began and energy decoupled from it to form what we hear today as a cool hiss just above absolute zero.

So how much older do you think it could be? A significant amount or just a fraction of a second? Was "space" required for the initial super hot energy to exist? Does "dark matter" or "dark energy" require "space" or do you suppose the opposite may in fact be the case?

You're asking impossible questions to answer. Nobody knows. Even the BBT is still only a theory, though it is supported by observation. As the universe expanded, space and time expanded with it, so yes, space was required because both matter and energy take up space and time to exist. "Space" is like a fabric, the playing board of coordinates where matter and energy may play. I'm not at all sold on dark energy, just a mud ball thrown at the wall to explain something we don't understand, but I'm wholly convinced dark matter is the real deal. Dark matter IMO creates gravity, the source of mass, the "field" by which ordinary vectorial coordinates in space and time are mapped. Dark matter is like the 4th of July rocket, and matter and energy that we see is just the little sparkles coming off of it after it explodes. We aren't the show, we are just little ripples washing ashore after the real show has passed us by.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Thanks. You know, Einstein took the Aether for granted until he suddenly didn't any more. "Space/time' and "fabric" became the new reality and physics has been drunk peddling that stupidity ever since. Einstein himself repeatedly expressed tremendous doubts about it. Consider all the parallels between this sexy new "dark matter" and the long forgotten Aether that practically all took for granted before 1925. Just coincidence? Intrigued at all?

 

[toobfreak]

Thanks. You know, Einstein took the Aether for granted until he suddenly didn't any more. "Space/time' and "fabric" became the new reality and physics has been drunk peddling that stupidity ever since. Einstein himself repeatedly expressed tremendous doubts about it. Consider all the parallels between this sexy new "dark matter" and the long forgotten Aether that practically all took for granted before 1925. Just coincidence? Intrigued at all?

Well, quite a difference between how I view dark matter (which has been scientifically "verified" and "observed" (here are two images of dark matter surrounding distant galaxy clusters):

and the "luminiferous ether" originally postulated by James Clerk Maxwell. However, the point is valid, there is theoretical basis to believe that while in a different form than Maxwell envisioned, that some form of "fabric" or "Minkowski Space" platform exists whereby matter and energy are able to exist and interact.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Those images don't actually show any "dark matter." It's supposedly "dark."

Our Milky Way galaxy resides in a modest bundle of about 50 galaxies, collectively known as the Local Group. But 10 billion light-years away, a massive cluster called IDCS J1426.5+3508 boasts roughly one to two thousand galaxies—a vast city compared to our galactic neighborhood. Since its discovery in 2012, NASA observatories have imaged the cluster in visible, infrared and X-ray light. Because the cluster is so distant, we see it as it was when the universe was about 3.8 billion years old, just a quarter of its current age. From the images, scientists have learned that the cluster is anchored in a sea of hot gas, and that stars make up just one to two percent of its mass. Most of the cluster—a staggering 85 percent—consists of dark matter, an invisible substance perceptible only by its gravitational pull. Clusters such as this one likely formed in unusually dense patches of dark matter, gas and dust in the early universe. The views provided by space telescopes are helping researchers deduce how galaxy clusters evolve. Explore the images to learn more.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Intrigued or not, here's another old fart who's done all the reading required and written plenty about it so I don't have to. Just a taste mind you:

In the writings of J. J. Thompson it is found he considered dielectric propagation and magnetic propagation can be independent. Also considered is that the magnetism is a secondary response to dielectric forces. This is also found in the writings of C. P. Steinmentz, "Transients in Space", page 394 to 419, from "Theory and Calculation of Transient Electric Phenomena". Here considered is a "Hysteresis of the Aether", given as an alternative to the concept of electromagnetic radiation. In this chapter the velocity of the dielectric induction and the velocity of magnetic induction are given as independent variables. The factor one over c squared is here only a dimensional transform between inductance and capacitance. See The International Tesla Society lecture on the "Hysteresis of the Aether" by E. P. Dollard. Here again one over c squared is only a proportionality factor, not a velocity. Finally, it has been disclosed by insiders within the space program, N.A.S.A., of a "certain complication". It was found that when far outside the Earth’s field of influence the stars and sun are NOT VISIBLE! However, the Earth and the Moon are plainly visible. No direct light in outer space, only that made visible by gross physical matter. This gives rise to an important question, does the "light" from the sun propagate with a velocity at all, or is it simply a function of time. The "time delay" may be no more than a hysteresis of the luminiferous aether

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Those images don't actually show any "dark matter." It's supposedly "dark."

Our Milky Way galaxy resides in a modest bundle of about 50 galaxies, collectively known as the Local Group. But 10 billion light-years away, a massive cluster called IDCS J1426.5+3508 boasts roughly one to two thousand galaxies—a vast city compared to our galactic neighborhood. Since its discovery in 2012, NASA observatories have imaged the cluster in visible, infrared and X-ray light. Because the cluster is so distant, we see it as it was when the universe was about 3.8 billion years old, just a quarter of its current age. From the images, scientists have learned that the cluster is anchored in a sea of hot gas, and that stars make up just one to two percent of its mass. Most of the cluster—a staggering 85 percent—consists of dark matter, an invisible substance perceptible only by its gravitational pull. Clusters such as this one likely formed in unusually dense patches of dark matter, gas and dust in the early universe. The views provided by space telescopes are helping researchers deduce how galaxy clusters evolve. Explore the images to learn more.

Correct. It shows how much there is and where it is, based on observed effects on the observed matter and light.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So how much older do you think it could be?

Infinite, possibly.

 

[james bond]

Neato! Nobody has any idea what you are trying to say.

And no, you don't understand the talking point about dividing by zero that you regurgitated.

You cannot divide by zero is a simple analogy to explain that one cannot have a boundless, edgeless and centerless universe.

The point is you were wrong about spacetime being forever. How can it be forever when you can't explain what is further north of north? You were wrong about CMB being forever. Even with the expansion of spacetime, it is not forever. The effects of gravity reduces spacetime and the CMB. We also have thermodynamics in a closed system where energy is conserved. Nothing is forever in the material world.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You cannot divide by zero is a simple analogy to explain that one cannot have a boundless, edgeless and centerless universe.

You do not need infite spacetime in order to have a boundless universe, just as the surface of a sphere is finite yet boundless.

The point is you were wrong about spacetime being forever.

You misread my comments. I only mentioned that electromagnetic waves can propagate forever. If the spacetime in which they propagate does not last forever, that is not their fault.

 

[Dale Smith]

You cannot divide by zero is a simple analogy to explain that one cannot have a boundless, edgeless and centerless universe.

You do not need infite spacetime in order to have a boundless universe, just as the surface of a sphere is finite yet boundless.

The point is you were wrong about spacetime being forever.

You misread my comments. I only mentioned that electromagnetic waves can propagate forever. If the spacetime in which they propagate does not last forever, that is not their fault.

Explain the giant skeletal remains that have been found in all areas of the globe if "evolution" is real.....

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You cannot divide by zero is a simple analogy to explain that one cannot have a boundless, edgeless and centerless universe.

You do not need infite spacetime in order to have a boundless universe, just as the surface of a sphere is finite yet boundless.

The point is you were wrong about spacetime being forever.

You misread my comments. I only mentioned that electromagnetic waves can propagate forever. If the spacetime in which they propagate does not last forever, that is not their fault.

Explain the giant skeletal remains that have been found in all areas of the globe if "evolution" is real.....

Why should I explain your nonsense? You explain it.

 

[Dale Smith]

You cannot divide by zero is a simple analogy to explain that one cannot have a boundless, edgeless and centerless universe.

You do not need infite spacetime in order to have a boundless universe, just as the surface of a sphere is finite yet boundless.

The point is you were wrong about spacetime being forever.

You misread my comments. I only mentioned that electromagnetic waves can propagate forever. If the spacetime in which they propagate does not last forever, that is not their fault.

Explain the giant skeletal remains that have been found in all areas of the globe if "evolution" is real.....

Why should I explain your nonsense? You explain it.

Because the theory of evolution is total bullshit......

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You cannot divide by zero is a simple analogy to explain that one cannot have a boundless, edgeless and centerless universe.

You do not need infite spacetime in order to have a boundless universe, just as the surface of a sphere is finite yet boundless.

The point is you were wrong about spacetime being forever.

You misread my comments. I only mentioned that electromagnetic waves can propagate forever. If the spacetime in which they propagate does not last forever, that is not their fault.

Explain the giant skeletal remains that have been found in all areas of the globe if "evolution" is real.....

Why should I explain your nonsense? You explain it.

Because the theory of evolution is total bullshit......

Says you...

 

[toobfreak]

Those images don't actually show any "dark matter." It's supposedly "dark."

Actually, they do. If you don't believe me, take it up with NASA. I'm not familiar with the exact technique they are using, but as I recall, the red represents x-rays and the blue represents the dark matter. But it's not like they held the camera up and just took a normal picture of it, the colors are merely synthesized from the data and superimposed over a visible light image of the galaxy field so we can relate to it, just as radio maps of the Milky Way are converted to various synthesized colors so that we can relate to the data in a way our eyes can interpret and understand.

BTW, by "dark" matter, they mean something which isn't just dark, but wholly non-interactive with any of the physical matter, energy, etc., that we normally understand as "stuff." It's like a shadow substance that occupies the same space as we are in but otherwise doesn't affect us or we it in any way we yet understand.