Wounded vet not a "True Hero"

[daveman]

Dear Carebear;

Please answer the man's question so the thread can die.

xoxo

Boop

I'm under no obligation to help Synthia malign McCain's service.

And yes, that's exactly what he's doing.

McCain was adept at crashing perfectly good Aircraft. True, he paid his dues, as a POW, where reality finally hit, and he had to grow up real fast. It would be nice to see him come clean in relation to his actual role in the USS Forester disaster. Why was he transferred off of the Ship, the same day as the fire? Why was he the only one?

Beats me. And as he's never going to be President, does it really matter?

 

[daveman]

I'm under no obligation to help Synthia malign McCain's service.

And yes, that's exactly what he's doing.

McCain was adept at crashing perfectly good Aircraft. True, he paid his dues, as a POW, where reality finally hit, and he had to grow up real fast. It would be nice to see him come clean in relation to his actual role in the USS Forester disaster. Why was he transferred off of the Ship, the same day as the fire? Why was he the only one?

Watch it, or braveman is going to call you a Liberal who hates America.

More likely, he will just ignore your post like he's ignored mine. He has no integrity, you see.

You were saying...?

 

[bobgnote]

I'd like to know particulars, why McCain would be transferred, off the USS Forrestal, since now I can see how he is believed by former Forrestal crewmembers, to have caused the deadly fire:

RockCreekFreePress Articles

USS Forrestal, July 29, 1967 - The worst accident aboard a US Navy surface vessel since WWII

BY WAYNE MADSEN/WAYNE MADSEN REPORT

The Navy released John McCain’s military record after a Freedom of Information Act request from the Associated Press. The record is packed with information on McCain’s medals and commendations but little else. The one thing that the McCain campaign does not want to see released is the record of McCain’s antics on board the USS Forestal in 1967. McCain was personally responsible for the deadliest fire in the history of the US Navy. That catastrophe, with 27 dead and over 100 wounded trumps McCain’s record as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.

WMR has learned additional details regarding the deadly fire aboard the Navy aircraft carrier, the USS Forrestal, on July 19, 1967 in the Gulf of Tonkin. The additional details point to then-Lt. Commander John McCain playing more of a role in triggering the fire and explosions than previously reported.

On January 16, 2006, WMR reported that according to a US Navy sailor who was aboard the Forrestal on the fateful day of the fire, “McCain and the Forrestal’s skipper, Capt. John K. Beling, were warned about the danger of using M-65 1000-lb. bombs manufactured in 1935, which were deemed too dangerous to use during World War II and, later, on B-52 bombers. The fire from the Zuni missle misfire resulted in the heavy 1000 pound bombs being knocked loose from the pylons of McCain’s A-4 aircraft, which were only designed to hold 500-pound bombs.”

WMR further reported, “The unstable bombs had a 60-second cook-off threshold in a fire situation and this warning was known to both Beling and McCain prior to the disaster.” WMR also cited the potential that McCain’s Navy records were used against him by the neo-cons in control of the Pentagon, “The neo-cons, who have had five years to examine every file within the Department of Defense, have likely accessed documents that could prove embarrassing to McCain, who was on board the USS Forrestal on July 29, 1967, and whose A-4 Skyhawk was struck by an air-toground Zuni missile that had misfired from an F-4 Phantom.”

WMR has been informed that crewmen aboard the Forrestal have provided additional information about the Forrestal incident. It is believed by many crewmen and those who have investigated the case that McCain deliberately “wet-started” his A-4E to shake up the guy in the plane behind his A-4. “Wet-starts”, done either deliberately or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.

In McCain’s case, the “wet-start” apparently “cooked off” and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions and massive fire. The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration. “Wet starting” was apparently a common practice among young “hot-dog” pilots.

McCain was quickly transferred to the USS Oriskany (the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred). Three months later, McCain was shot down over North Vietnam on October 26, 1967.

As WMR previously reported, at the time of the Forrestal disaster, McCain’s father, Admiral John McCain, Jr., was Commander-in-Chief of US Naval Forces Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR) and was busy covering up the details of the deadly and pre-meditated June 8, 1967, Israeli attack on the NSA spy ship, the USS Liberty.

The fact that both McCains were involved in two incidents just weeks apart that resulted in a total death count of 168 on the Forrestal and the Liberty, with an additional injury count of 234 on both ships (with a number of them later dying from their wounds) with an accompanying classified paper trail inside the Pentagon, may be all that was needed to hold a Sword of Damocles over the head of the “family honor”-oriented McCain by the neo-cons.

WMR has also been informed by knowledgeable sources, including an ex-Navy A-4 pilot, the “wet-start game” was a common occurrence. However, it is between “very unlikely” and “impossible” for the Forrestal “wet start” to have been accidental. “Wet starts” were later rendered impossible by automated engine controls.

Wayne Madsen reports on military and political affairs in Washington at his website, WayneMadsenReport.com

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Did John Mccain Blow up the USS Forestal Aircraft carrier - Topix

A number of different sources are compiled. IF McCain did wet-start his Skyhawk, he likely blew off the safety pin, of the Zuni rocket, which fired, from the F-4, right behind McCain's A-4. OR, the wind blew that pin out of position, and an electrical surge fired the Zuni, from the F-4, whose pilot was killed, in the conflagration.

One comment claims McCain was blamed, for starting the fire, by a lot of crewmen. It is true McCain was a screwup son of an admiral. I don't know how he wrecked any of the planes attributed to his wild, crazy career, which may have partly been the function of SNAFU, which happens, when FUBARs are violating the standing army clause, in order to profiteer, or the US economy would collapse.

------------------

1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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At the website I linked, one comment claims McCain ignited his "afterburner," without a blast shield, which is clearly wrong, since his A-4 was parked, not ready for launch, and no A-4s have burners. Other posters corrected this, and a scholarly review follows.

But did McCain wet-start his parked A-4, to shake up a pilot, who died, in the resulting fire? Was there a cover-up because McCain's father commanded the Pacific Fleet? Admiral McCain was apparently involved, in covering up how Israel attacked the USS Liberty, while pubs and DDD-rats all suck AIPAC's ass and support Israel.

I wonder if that means Meat (white) Obamney gets to hide his tax returns, since if DDD-rats let McCain weaz out of a full investigation, into an alleged, fatal wet-start, the DDD-rats may just keep copying pub excesses, while letting one of the pubs they copy get away, with a lot of shit!

 

[Synthaholic]

McCain was adept at crashing perfectly good Aircraft. True, he paid his dues, as a POW, where reality finally hit, and he had to grow up real fast. It would be nice to see him come clean in relation to his actual role in the USS Forester disaster. Why was he transferred off of the Ship, the same day as the fire? Why was he the only one?

Watch it, or braveman is going to call you a Liberal who hates America.

More likely, he will just ignore your post like he's ignored mine. He has no integrity, you see.

You were saying...?

I was saying that you are a cowardly weasel. And you prove it again by throwing a hissy fit that I am somehow sliming McCain's service, then turn around and say it doesn't matter when a fellow traveler does it.


You have no integrity.

 

[Synthaholic]

I'd like to know particulars, why McCain would be transferred, off the USS Forrestal, since now I can see how he is believed by former Forrestal crewmembers, to have caused the deadly fire:

RockCreekFreePress Articles

USS Forrestal, July 29, 1967 - The worst accident aboard a US Navy surface vessel since WWII

BY WAYNE MADSEN/WAYNE MADSEN REPORT

The Navy released John McCain’s military record after a Freedom of Information Act request from the Associated Press. The record is packed with information on McCain’s medals and commendations but little else. The one thing that the McCain campaign does not want to see released is the record of McCain’s antics on board the USS Forestal in 1967. McCain was personally responsible for the deadliest fire in the history of the US Navy. That catastrophe, with 27 dead and over 100 wounded trumps McCain’s record as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.

WMR has learned additional details regarding the deadly fire aboard the Navy aircraft carrier, the USS Forrestal, on July 19, 1967 in the Gulf of Tonkin. The additional details point to then-Lt. Commander John McCain playing more of a role in triggering the fire and explosions than previously reported.

On January 16, 2006, WMR reported that according to a US Navy sailor who was aboard the Forrestal on the fateful day of the fire, “McCain and the Forrestal’s skipper, Capt. John K. Beling, were warned about the danger of using M-65 1000-lb. bombs manufactured in 1935, which were deemed too dangerous to use during World War II and, later, on B-52 bombers. The fire from the Zuni missle misfire resulted in the heavy 1000 pound bombs being knocked loose from the pylons of McCain’s A-4 aircraft, which were only designed to hold 500-pound bombs.”

WMR further reported, “The unstable bombs had a 60-second cook-off threshold in a fire situation and this warning was known to both Beling and McCain prior to the disaster.” WMR also cited the potential that McCain’s Navy records were used against him by the neo-cons in control of the Pentagon, “The neo-cons, who have had five years to examine every file within the Department of Defense, have likely accessed documents that could prove embarrassing to McCain, who was on board the USS Forrestal on July 29, 1967, and whose A-4 Skyhawk was struck by an air-toground Zuni missile that had misfired from an F-4 Phantom.”

WMR has been informed that crewmen aboard the Forrestal have provided additional information about the Forrestal incident. It is believed by many crewmen and those who have investigated the case that McCain deliberately “wet-started” his A-4E to shake up the guy in the plane behind his A-4. “Wet-starts”, done either deliberately or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.

In McCain’s case, the “wet-start” apparently “cooked off” and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions and massive fire. The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration. “Wet starting” was apparently a common practice among young “hot-dog” pilots.

McCain was quickly transferred to the USS Oriskany (the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred). Three months later, McCain was shot down over North Vietnam on October 26, 1967.

As WMR previously reported, at the time of the Forrestal disaster, McCain’s father, Admiral John McCain, Jr., was Commander-in-Chief of US Naval Forces Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR) and was busy covering up the details of the deadly and pre-meditated June 8, 1967, Israeli attack on the NSA spy ship, the USS Liberty.

The fact that both McCains were involved in two incidents just weeks apart that resulted in a total death count of 168 on the Forrestal and the Liberty, with an additional injury count of 234 on both ships (with a number of them later dying from their wounds) with an accompanying classified paper trail inside the Pentagon, may be all that was needed to hold a Sword of Damocles over the head of the “family honor”-oriented McCain by the neo-cons.

WMR has also been informed by knowledgeable sources, including an ex-Navy A-4 pilot, the “wet-start game” was a common occurrence. However, it is between “very unlikely” and “impossible” for the Forrestal “wet start” to have been accidental. “Wet starts” were later rendered impossible by automated engine controls.

Wayne Madsen reports on military and political affairs in Washington at his website, WayneMadsenReport.com

------------------

Did John Mccain Blow up the USS Forestal Aircraft carrier - Topix

A number of different sources are compiled. IF McCain did wet-start his Skyhawk, he likely blew off the safety pin, of the Zuni rocket, which fired, from the F-4, right behind McCain's A-4. OR, the wind blew that pin out of position, and an electrical surge fired the Zuni, from the F-4, whose pilot was killed, in the conflagration.

One comment claims McCain was blamed, for starting the fire, by a lot of crewmen. It is true McCain was a screwup son of an admiral. I don't know how he wrecked any of the planes attributed to his wild, crazy career, which may have partly been the function of SNAFU, which happens, when FUBARs are violating the standing army clause, in order to profiteer, or the US economy would collapse.

------------------

1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

------------------

At the website I linked, one comment claims McCain ignited his "afterburner," without a blast shield, which is clearly wrong, since his A-4 was parked, not ready for launch, and no A-4s have burners. Other posters corrected this, and a scholarly review follows.

But did McCain wet-start his parked A-4, to shake up a pilot, who died, in the resulting fire? Was there a cover-up because McCain's father commanded the Pacific Fleet? Admiral McCain was apparently involved, in covering up how Israel attacked the USS Liberty, while pubs and DDD-rats all suck AIPAC's ass and support Israel.

I wonder if that means Meat (white) Obamney gets to hide his tax returns, since if DDD-rats let McCain weaz out of a full investigation, into an alleged, fatal wet-start, the DDD-rats may just keep copying pub excesses, while letting one of the pubs they copy get away, with a lot of shit!

Wow - the U.S. Navy is sliming McCain's record!!!!!

 

[thanatos144]

So it is bad for someone to say sure a solder was a hero but that doesnt mean we have to vote for them is bad? This thread is stupid.

 

[Intense]

I'm under no obligation to help Synthia malign McCain's service.

And yes, that's exactly what he's doing.

McCain was adept at crashing perfectly good Aircraft. True, he paid his dues, as a POW, where reality finally hit, and he had to grow up real fast. It would be nice to see him come clean in relation to his actual role in the USS Forester disaster. Why was he transferred off of the Ship, the same day as the fire? Why was he the only one?

Beats me. And as he's never going to be President, does it really matter?

Piece of mind. Penance.

 

[BDBoop]

I'm under no obligation to help Synthia malign McCain's service.

And yes, that's exactly what he's doing.

McCain was adept at crashing perfectly good Aircraft. True, he paid his dues, as a POW, where reality finally hit, and he had to grow up real fast. It would be nice to see him come clean in relation to his actual role in the USS Forester disaster. Why was he transferred off of the Ship, the same day as the fire? Why was he the only one?

Watch it, or braveman is going to call you a Liberal who hates America.

More likely, he will just ignore your post like he's ignored mine. He has no integrity, you see.

Oh, cmon Dave - just be honest.

 

[Too Tall]

I'm under no obligation to help Synthia malign McCain's service.

And yes, that's exactly what he's doing.

McCain was adept at crashing perfectly good Aircraft. True, he paid his dues, as a POW, where reality finally hit, and he had to grow up real fast. It would be nice to see him come clean in relation to his actual role in the USS Forester disaster. Why was he transferred off of the Ship, the same day as the fire? Why was he the only one?

Watch it, or braveman is going to call you a Liberal who hates America.

More likely, he will just ignore your post like he's ignored mine. He has no integrity, you see.

Just another POS slandering a real hero. Nothing new here.

 

[Too Tall]

I'd like to know particulars, why McCain would be transferred, off the USS Forrestal, since now I can see how he is believed by former Forrestal crewmembers, to have caused the deadly fire:

RockCreekFreePress Articles

USS Forrestal, July 29, 1967 - The worst accident aboard a US Navy surface vessel since WWII

BY WAYNE MADSEN/WAYNE MADSEN REPORT

The Navy released John McCain’s military record after a Freedom of Information Act request from the Associated Press. The record is packed with information on McCain’s medals and commendations but little else. The one thing that the McCain campaign does not want to see released is the record of McCain’s antics on board the USS Forestal in 1967. McCain was personally responsible for the deadliest fire in the history of the US Navy. That catastrophe, with 27 dead and over 100 wounded trumps McCain’s record as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.

WMR has learned additional details regarding the deadly fire aboard the Navy aircraft carrier, the USS Forrestal, on July 19, 1967 in the Gulf of Tonkin. The additional details point to then-Lt. Commander John McCain playing more of a role in triggering the fire and explosions than previously reported.

On January 16, 2006, WMR reported that according to a US Navy sailor who was aboard the Forrestal on the fateful day of the fire, “McCain and the Forrestal’s skipper, Capt. John K. Beling, were warned about the danger of using M-65 1000-lb. bombs manufactured in 1935, which were deemed too dangerous to use during World War II and, later, on B-52 bombers. The fire from the Zuni missle misfire resulted in the heavy 1000 pound bombs being knocked loose from the pylons of McCain’s A-4 aircraft, which were only designed to hold 500-pound bombs.”

WMR further reported, “The unstable bombs had a 60-second cook-off threshold in a fire situation and this warning was known to both Beling and McCain prior to the disaster.” WMR also cited the potential that McCain’s Navy records were used against him by the neo-cons in control of the Pentagon, “The neo-cons, who have had five years to examine every file within the Department of Defense, have likely accessed documents that could prove embarrassing to McCain, who was on board the USS Forrestal on July 29, 1967, and whose A-4 Skyhawk was struck by an air-toground Zuni missile that had misfired from an F-4 Phantom.”

WMR has been informed that crewmen aboard the Forrestal have provided additional information about the Forrestal incident. It is believed by many crewmen and those who have investigated the case that McCain deliberately “wet-started” his A-4E to shake up the guy in the plane behind his A-4. “Wet-starts”, done either deliberately or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.

In McCain’s case, the “wet-start” apparently “cooked off” and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions and massive fire. The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration. “Wet starting” was apparently a common practice among young “hot-dog” pilots.

McCain was quickly transferred to the USS Oriskany (the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred). Three months later, McCain was shot down over North Vietnam on October 26, 1967.

As WMR previously reported, at the time of the Forrestal disaster, McCain’s father, Admiral John McCain, Jr., was Commander-in-Chief of US Naval Forces Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR) and was busy covering up the details of the deadly and pre-meditated June 8, 1967, Israeli attack on the NSA spy ship, the USS Liberty.

The fact that both McCains were involved in two incidents just weeks apart that resulted in a total death count of 168 on the Forrestal and the Liberty, with an additional injury count of 234 on both ships (with a number of them later dying from their wounds) with an accompanying classified paper trail inside the Pentagon, may be all that was needed to hold a Sword of Damocles over the head of the “family honor”-oriented McCain by the neo-cons.

WMR has also been informed by knowledgeable sources, including an ex-Navy A-4 pilot, the “wet-start game” was a common occurrence. However, it is between “very unlikely” and “impossible” for the Forrestal “wet start” to have been accidental. “Wet starts” were later rendered impossible by automated engine controls.

Wayne Madsen reports on military and political affairs in Washington at his website, WayneMadsenReport.com

------------------

Did John Mccain Blow up the USS Forestal Aircraft carrier - Topix

A number of different sources are compiled. IF McCain did wet-start his Skyhawk, he likely blew off the safety pin, of the Zuni rocket, which fired, from the F-4, right behind McCain's A-4. OR, the wind blew that pin out of position, and an electrical surge fired the Zuni, from the F-4, whose pilot was killed, in the conflagration.

One comment claims McCain was blamed, for starting the fire, by a lot of crewmen. It is true McCain was a screwup son of an admiral. I don't know how he wrecked any of the planes attributed to his wild, crazy career, which may have partly been the function of SNAFU, which happens, when FUBARs are violating the standing army clause, in order to profiteer, or the US economy would collapse.

------------------

1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

------------------

At the website I linked, one comment claims McCain ignited his "afterburner," without a blast shield, which is clearly wrong, since his A-4 was parked, not ready for launch, and no A-4s have burners. Other posters corrected this, and a scholarly review follows.

But did McCain wet-start his parked A-4, to shake up a pilot, who died, in the resulting fire? Was there a cover-up because McCain's father commanded the Pacific Fleet? Admiral McCain was apparently involved, in covering up how Israel attacked the USS Liberty, while pubs and DDD-rats all suck AIPAC's ass and support Israel.

I wonder if that means Meat (white) Obamney gets to hide his tax returns, since if DDD-rats let McCain weaz out of a full investigation, into an alleged, fatal wet-start, the DDD-rats may just keep copying pub excesses, while letting one of the pubs they copy get away, with a lot of shit!

Wow - the U.S. Navy is sliming McCain's record!!!!!

Negative dirtbag, Wayne Madsen just making believe that he knows something. I have been on the USS Forrestal and they don't park aircraft nose to tail.

 

[daveman]

Watch it, or braveman is going to call you a Liberal who hates America.

More likely, he will just ignore your post like he's ignored mine. He has no integrity, you see.

You were saying...?

I was saying that you are a cowardly weasel.

You were saying I would ignore his post.

You were wrong. But then, that's your default mode.

And you prove it again by throwing a hissy fit that I am somehow sliming McCain's service, then turn around and say it doesn't matter when a fellow traveler does it.

The reason I said you're sliming McCain's service is because you said you weren't, when you clearly are.

Dumbass. And liar.

You have no integrity.

I agree, if by "have no integrity" you mean "think I'm a retard".

 

[daveman]

McCain was adept at crashing perfectly good Aircraft. True, he paid his dues, as a POW, where reality finally hit, and he had to grow up real fast. It would be nice to see him come clean in relation to his actual role in the USS Forester disaster. Why was he transferred off of the Ship, the same day as the fire? Why was he the only one?

Beats me. And as he's never going to be President, does it really matter?

Piece of mind. Penance.

A lot of people need to do penance for wrongdoing.

Many never do. And you can't make them.

For instance, I can't make Kerry do penance for supporting our nation's enemy and lying about our servicemen.

 

[daveman]

McCain was adept at crashing perfectly good Aircraft. True, he paid his dues, as a POW, where reality finally hit, and he had to grow up real fast. It would be nice to see him come clean in relation to his actual role in the USS Forester disaster. Why was he transferred off of the Ship, the same day as the fire? Why was he the only one?

Watch it, or braveman is going to call you a Liberal who hates America.

More likely, he will just ignore your post like he's ignored mine. He has no integrity, you see.

Oh, cmon Dave - just be honest.

I always am. NOTE: Synthia is a little butthurt bitch. You can't trust his word for anything.

 

[stars]

That is so sad...life is sad.

 

[Synthaholic]

McCain was adept at crashing perfectly good Aircraft. True, he paid his dues, as a POW, where reality finally hit, and he had to grow up real fast. It would be nice to see him come clean in relation to his actual role in the USS Forester disaster. Why was he transferred off of the Ship, the same day as the fire? Why was he the only one?

Watch it, or braveman is going to call you a Liberal who hates America.

More likely, he will just ignore your post like he's ignored mine. He has no integrity, you see.

Just another POS slandering a real hero. Nothing new here.

Why don't you show braveman how it's done and answer the question:

Honestly, besides being tortured, what did McCain do to excel in the military?

 

[Synthaholic]

I'd like to know particulars, why McCain would be transferred, off the USS Forrestal, since now I can see how he is believed by former Forrestal crewmembers, to have caused the deadly fire:

RockCreekFreePress Articles

USS Forrestal, July 29, 1967 - The worst accident aboard a US Navy surface vessel since WWII

BY WAYNE MADSEN/WAYNE MADSEN REPORT

The Navy released John McCain’s military record after a Freedom of Information Act request from the Associated Press. The record is packed with information on McCain’s medals and commendations but little else. The one thing that the McCain campaign does not want to see released is the record of McCain’s antics on board the USS Forestal in 1967. McCain was personally responsible for the deadliest fire in the history of the US Navy. That catastrophe, with 27 dead and over 100 wounded trumps McCain’s record as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.

WMR has learned additional details regarding the deadly fire aboard the Navy aircraft carrier, the USS Forrestal, on July 19, 1967 in the Gulf of Tonkin. The additional details point to then-Lt. Commander John McCain playing more of a role in triggering the fire and explosions than previously reported.

On January 16, 2006, WMR reported that according to a US Navy sailor who was aboard the Forrestal on the fateful day of the fire, “McCain and the Forrestal’s skipper, Capt. John K. Beling, were warned about the danger of using M-65 1000-lb. bombs manufactured in 1935, which were deemed too dangerous to use during World War II and, later, on B-52 bombers. The fire from the Zuni missle misfire resulted in the heavy 1000 pound bombs being knocked loose from the pylons of McCain’s A-4 aircraft, which were only designed to hold 500-pound bombs.”

WMR further reported, “The unstable bombs had a 60-second cook-off threshold in a fire situation and this warning was known to both Beling and McCain prior to the disaster.” WMR also cited the potential that McCain’s Navy records were used against him by the neo-cons in control of the Pentagon, “The neo-cons, who have had five years to examine every file within the Department of Defense, have likely accessed documents that could prove embarrassing to McCain, who was on board the USS Forrestal on July 29, 1967, and whose A-4 Skyhawk was struck by an air-toground Zuni missile that had misfired from an F-4 Phantom.”

WMR has been informed that crewmen aboard the Forrestal have provided additional information about the Forrestal incident. It is believed by many crewmen and those who have investigated the case that McCain deliberately “wet-started” his A-4E to shake up the guy in the plane behind his A-4. “Wet-starts”, done either deliberately or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.

In McCain’s case, the “wet-start” apparently “cooked off” and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions and massive fire. The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration. “Wet starting” was apparently a common practice among young “hot-dog” pilots.

McCain was quickly transferred to the USS Oriskany (the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred). Three months later, McCain was shot down over North Vietnam on October 26, 1967.

As WMR previously reported, at the time of the Forrestal disaster, McCain’s father, Admiral John McCain, Jr., was Commander-in-Chief of US Naval Forces Europe (CINCUSNAVEUR) and was busy covering up the details of the deadly and pre-meditated June 8, 1967, Israeli attack on the NSA spy ship, the USS Liberty.

The fact that both McCains were involved in two incidents just weeks apart that resulted in a total death count of 168 on the Forrestal and the Liberty, with an additional injury count of 234 on both ships (with a number of them later dying from their wounds) with an accompanying classified paper trail inside the Pentagon, may be all that was needed to hold a Sword of Damocles over the head of the “family honor”-oriented McCain by the neo-cons.

WMR has also been informed by knowledgeable sources, including an ex-Navy A-4 pilot, the “wet-start game” was a common occurrence. However, it is between “very unlikely” and “impossible” for the Forrestal “wet start” to have been accidental. “Wet starts” were later rendered impossible by automated engine controls.

Wayne Madsen reports on military and political affairs in Washington at his website, WayneMadsenReport.com

------------------

Did John Mccain Blow up the USS Forestal Aircraft carrier - Topix

A number of different sources are compiled. IF McCain did wet-start his Skyhawk, he likely blew off the safety pin, of the Zuni rocket, which fired, from the F-4, right behind McCain's A-4. OR, the wind blew that pin out of position, and an electrical surge fired the Zuni, from the F-4, whose pilot was killed, in the conflagration.

One comment claims McCain was blamed, for starting the fire, by a lot of crewmen. It is true McCain was a screwup son of an admiral. I don't know how he wrecked any of the planes attributed to his wild, crazy career, which may have partly been the function of SNAFU, which happens, when FUBARs are violating the standing army clause, in order to profiteer, or the US economy would collapse.

------------------

1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

------------------

At the website I linked, one comment claims McCain ignited his "afterburner," without a blast shield, which is clearly wrong, since his A-4 was parked, not ready for launch, and no A-4s have burners. Other posters corrected this, and a scholarly review follows.

But did McCain wet-start his parked A-4, to shake up a pilot, who died, in the resulting fire? Was there a cover-up because McCain's father commanded the Pacific Fleet? Admiral McCain was apparently involved, in covering up how Israel attacked the USS Liberty, while pubs and DDD-rats all suck AIPAC's ass and support Israel.

I wonder if that means Meat (white) Obamney gets to hide his tax returns, since if DDD-rats let McCain weaz out of a full investigation, into an alleged, fatal wet-start, the DDD-rats may just keep copying pub excesses, while letting one of the pubs they copy get away, with a lot of shit!

Wow - the U.S. Navy is sliming McCain's record!!!!!

Negative dirtbag, Wayne Madsen just making believe that he knows something. I have been on the USS Forrestal and they don't park aircraft nose to tail.

Were you on it in 1967?

 

[daveman]

Watch it, or braveman is going to call you a Liberal who hates America.

More likely, he will just ignore your post like he's ignored mine. He has no integrity, you see.

Just another POS slandering a real hero. Nothing new here.

Why don't you show braveman how it's done and answer the question:

Honestly, besides being tortured, what did McCain do to excel in the military?

Tell us again how that's not a smear. You know, lie to us. Again.

 

[Gadawg73]

All this amounts to is an over reaction from both sides.
Walsh over reacted because it is politics and they campaign non stop this time of year.
He should have kept his mouth shut.
And the woman over reacts campaigning all the time mentioning her service and what she has given.
It is obvious to everyone she lost both legs in service to her country. We do not have to keep hearing it over and over and over again only because she wants votes. Harsh observation here? Yes, but where am I wrong? But I have no problem with her doing so and no problem with Walsh calling her out on it.
And as illistrated here all of you have over reacted.
Non issue top to bottom. Much ado about nothing.

 

[Synthaholic]

Just another POS slandering a real hero. Nothing new here.

Why don't you show braveman how it's done and answer the question:

Honestly, besides being tortured, what did McCain do to excel in the military?

Tell us again how that's not a smear. You know, lie to us. Again.

You have yet to tell us how it is a smear, coward.

 

[daveman]

Why don't you show braveman how it's done and answer the question:

Honestly, besides being tortured, what did McCain do to excel in the military?

Tell us again how that's not a smear. You know, lie to us. Again.

You have yet to tell us how it is a smear, coward.

The best thing you ever did for the company you worked for was getting mugged in the parking lot.