Zone1 Would it Have Been Acceptable For Mary to Abort Jesus?

ChristisKing

Merry Christmas!! 😁
Joined
Jun 16, 2021
Messages
46,464
Reaction score
41,561
Points
3,488
Location
USA
I've actually been wondering this myself a lot lately. If there are any Christians that are okay with abortion on here, what do you say about that? Or would it have been alright with you had Elizabeth decided to abort John the Baptist? If abortion existed back then that is.


 
I've actually been wondering this myself a lot lately. If there are any Christians that are okay with abortion on here, what do you say about that? Or would it have been alright with you had Elizabeth decided to abort John the Baptist? If abortion existed back then that is.

How come you ask such a question? 😕
 
I've actually been wondering this myself a lot lately. If there are any Christians that are okay with abortion on here, what do you say about that? Or would it have been alright with you had Elizabeth decided to abort John the Baptist? If abortion existed back then that is.



How many hundreds of millions would not have died?
 
How can Christians be ok with abortion?
Don't Christians believe people are assigned souls at conception?
I don't know, I'm not one, but that would be a sin? Would it?
Easy.

So long as Jesus bows his knee to the Left wing in regards to everything they do and believe, you can be a Christian

Otherwise, you are a fascist hate filled bigot.
 
I've actually been wondering this myself a lot lately.

Really? Did they have abortifacients back then? And what if Jesus had simply refused?

Seems to me that if Jesus was the plan of God then, Mary had no choice.
 
What do you mean “if” abortion even existed back then?

Women in Mary’s time aborted their pregnancies. All cultures have had some local woman who knew how to arrange such things long before actual abortion clinics became a thing
 
I've actually been wondering this myself a lot lately. If there are any Christians that are okay with abortion on here, what do you say about that? Or would it have been alright with you had Elizabeth decided to abort John the Baptist? If abortion existed back then that is.

Jesus probably never existed, but the fact is, under Mosaic Law, Mary should have been stoned to death for having a baby that her husband didn't father.

There's stronger evidence John the Baptist was a real person.

Abortion did exist in ancient times, BTW. But it was usually the province of midwives to end an unwanted pregnancy.
 
How many hundreds of millions would not have died?
Those hundreds of millions got to come to this earth from heaven, receive a physical body, and to eventually receive a resurrected eternal body never to die again because of Jesus Christ's Atonement.
 
Not how you probably picture it anyway.

Well, there's this little thing called "evidence". If there is a life after death, it would be pretty consistent during near-death experiences. But the thing is, Christians who have NDE's meet Jesus. Muslims who have NDE meet Mohammed, and Buddhists meet the Buddha.

Non-Christian historians and the Jewish Babylonian Talmud disagree.

Okay, let's look at that.

The Babylonian Talmud was written about 500 AD, well after Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. So it has no real value.

If you look at the historians closest to Jesus' life, it becomes a lot more questionable. The main ones that are cited are Tacitus and Josephus, and even they wrote a half-century after the event. Now, given we have no actual contemporary copies of Tacitus of Josephus. We have copies that were copied by Christian monks, centuries after the fact.

The passages about Jesus in Josephus are clearly add-ons by later Christian Scholars.

Tacitus is a bit more problematic. He mentions that Christians were persecuted by Nero for the Great Fire of Rome. Yet the passage looks like it was just added in there and don't really fit with the rest of the narrative about Nero.

Want more evidence?

Dio Cassius, the third great historian of the Early Empire, makes no references to Christians at all. While Suetonius says Claudius expelled the Jews from Rome because of the Instigations of one "Chrestus", he makes no mention of Christians in relation to the Great Fire, either.

FURTHERMORE, we have a letter from Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan, asking what to do with Christians in his province. Trajan responded with an effective "Don't ask, don't tell" approach towards them. Now, if these were the people who supposedly set fire to Rome 60 years earlier, Pliny sure as hell would know who they were, and Trajan wouldn't have been nearly so leniant.
 
How can Christians be ok with abortion?
Don't Christians believe people are assigned souls at conception?
I don't know, I'm not one, but that would be a sin? Would it?
Depending on defining sin, I see it as having more good than evil. I am a loyal opposer to Christianity of today, but the ancients were smarter.

"Sin: The Path to Excellence"
Sin has long been associated with moral failure, but what if we reframe it? I see sin as something essential to human growth—a necessary part of striving for excellence.

At its core, sin simply means “missing the mark.” It’s not about wickedness but about falling short of an ideal. Christianity and even Gnostic traditions acknowledge this idea in different ways. The concept of felix culpa—the “happy fault”—suggests that sin is necessary for God’s plan. Whether or not one believes in the supernatural, the wisdom of this idea is clear: missing the mark is a natural part of aiming for something greater.

To evolve, both as individuals and as a species, we must take risks and inevitably fall short. This process—of setting goals, failing, and trying again—is what drives progress. Every moment of “sin” is evidence that we’re pushing ourselves beyond our comfort zones and striving toward our best possible selves. This is what we do, consciously or unconsciously, at every point in our lives.

Even competition, often seen as divisive, is tied to this idea. Competition highlights our shortcomings, creating a contrast between where we are and where we want to be. It creates leaders, innovators, and excellence by encouraging us to improve. Of course, competition produces losers, and those losses can feel like failures or even evoke the idea of "evil." But in truth, every loss is an opportunity—a moment to learn, adapt, and grow stronger.

This is why I celebrate sin—not as a call to moral failure but as an embrace of imperfection and growth. Without sin, without missing the mark, we would have no benchmarks for greatness. There would be no leaders to inspire us, no innovators to challenge us, and no progress to drive humanity forward.

I don’t believe in the supernatural, but I see wisdom in the way ancient scribes wove this idea into their teachings. Sin, in its truest sense, is not something to avoid but something to engage with thoughtfully. It is the evidence of our striving, our courage to try, and our commitment to evolve.

So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinner in the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better version of yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.
 
How many hundreds of millions would not have died?
All die.

Does the Bible not tell us that death and wages are the reward for our sins?

Would you deny those souls their just rewards?

If Adam had not sought his just rewards after recognizing sex and reproduction, none of us would be here.

Adam was blind to his own penis till Eve opened his blind eyes.

Proof that women are the source of all evil.
 
15th post
I've actually been wondering this myself a lot lately. If there are any Christians that are okay with abortion on here, what do you say about that? Or would it have been alright with you had Elizabeth decided to abort John the Baptist? If abortion existed back then that is.





In my opinion this is a brilliant question that if we Christians could show a little bit of intellectual honesty, this could quickly expand the discussion to relate to what has been predicted for the next two decades economically.
 
Depending on defining sin, I see it as having more good than evil. I am a loyal opposer to Christianity of today, but the ancients were smarter.

"Sin: The Path to Excellence"
Sin has long been associated with moral failure, but what if we reframe it? I see sin as something essential to human growth—a necessary part of striving for excellence.

At its core, sin simply means “missing the mark.” It’s not about wickedness but about falling short of an ideal. Christianity and even Gnostic traditions acknowledge this idea in different ways. The concept of felix culpa—the “happy fault”—suggests that sin is necessary for God’s plan. Whether or not one believes in the supernatural, the wisdom of this idea is clear: missing the mark is a natural part of aiming for something greater.

To evolve, both as individuals and as a species, we must take risks and inevitably fall short. This process—of setting goals, failing, and trying again—is what drives progress. Every moment of “sin” is evidence that we’re pushing ourselves beyond our comfort zones and striving toward our best possible selves. This is what we do, consciously or unconsciously, at every point in our lives.

Even competition, often seen as divisive, is tied to this idea. Competition highlights our shortcomings, creating a contrast between where we are and where we want to be. It creates leaders, innovators, and excellence by encouraging us to improve. Of course, competition produces losers, and those losses can feel like failures or even evoke the idea of "evil." But in truth, every loss is an opportunity—a moment to learn, adapt, and grow stronger.

This is why I celebrate sin—not as a call to moral failure but as an embrace of imperfection and growth. Without sin, without missing the mark, we would have no benchmarks for greatness. There would be no leaders to inspire us, no innovators to challenge us, and no progress to drive humanity forward.

I don’t believe in the supernatural, but I see wisdom in the way ancient scribes wove this idea into their teachings. Sin, in its truest sense, is not something to avoid but something to engage with thoughtfully. It is the evidence of our striving, our courage to try, and our commitment to evolve.

So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinner in the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better version of yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.
Sounds like some Gnositc or Jew shit to me.
 
I am thinking that this is a pretty good question indeed!
I don't know. I am none of the above, but having looked at some Gnostic stuff, it kinda seems like it's in that vein.
Jews have a certain opinion when it comes to things like sin, abortion, and conception.
 
Back
Top Bottom