Would anyone Object to a Ceasefire in Ukraine?

[Seymour Flops]

Macron believes one could happen quickly.

French President Emmanuel Macron has said a truce between Ukraine and Russia could be agreed in the coming weeks.

Macron suggests Ukraine truce could be weeks away after talks with Trump - BBC News

During a visit to the White House, the French leader said any peace deal must "not be a surrender of Ukraine".

www.bbc.com

But with Macron it would be with conditions.

Macron said any peace deal in Ukraine must "not be a surrender of Ukraine" and must be backed by security guarantees.

. . .

Macron said he had spoken to 30 other European leaders and allies and many of them were willing to be part of security guarantees for Ukraine.

I’m talking about a plain vanilla cease-fire. No concessions, no movement of the battle lines. Everybody pauses in place and just stop the killing. Then we can talk.

I’m wondering if anyone on this board would object to that?

 

[pknopp]

Will it include Ukraine signing over it's commodities?

 

[lg325]

nope

 

[CrusaderFrank]

April 2022

Putin: All I want is an agreement that Ukraine NEVER joins NATO

The WEF: Fuck you Vlad! We want your resources! All $80T! Ukraine with NATO Backing will break you! We will fight you to the last Ukrainian!

 

[Seymour Flops]

Will it include Ukraine signing over it's commodities?

No, not in my hypothetical.

The conditions would be for both sides to stop shooting and to not try to gain territory.

 

[pknopp]

No, not in my hypothetical.

The conditions would be for both sides to stop shooting and to not try to gain territory.

So maintain the previous status quo which we could have done before the war ever started.

 

[Seymour Flops]

So maintain the previous status quo which we could have done before the war ever started.

Not sure what you mean by “previous status quo.”

Previous to the invasion? Previous to the beginning of World War II, previous to the end of the Cold War?

My hypothetical would be to maintain the current status quo as far as territory occupied. Maintain it during the cease-fire while the negotiations go on without the killing.

 

[pknopp]

Not sure what you mean by “previous status quo.”

Previous to the invasion? Previous to the beginning of World War II, previous to the end of the Cold War?

My hypothetical would be to maintain the current status quo as far as territory occupied. Maintain it during the cease-fire while the negotiations go on without the killing.

Previous to the most recent war.

 

[ReinyDays]

Of course I'd prefer a cease-fire ... but I don't blame Ukraine and NATO for insisting all Russian troops be removed from Ukraine's 1991 borders, including Crimea ...

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria ... nine reasons for NATO to get heavily involved ... all these countries have suffered recently at the hands of the Russians ... most of us remember the bad old days of Soviet oppression ...

 

[Seymour Flops]

Previous to the most recent war.

No, my hypothetical is everybody stays where they are right now.

I love your idea of the Russians just pulling out because they decide to. But I’m not sure what would motivate them to do that.

But hey! Macron says he’s got 30 other countries that are willing to guarantee security. If an immediate is fire won’t work, I say the US takes an hands off approach and let France and the 30 other countries take charge!

 

[pknopp]

No, my hypothetical is everybody stays where they are right now.

I love your idea of the Russians just pulling out because they decide to. But I’m not sure what would motivate them to do that.

IMO a guarantee of no eastward expansion of NATO.

But hey! Macron says he’s got 30 other countries that are willing to guarantee security. If an immediate is fire won’t work, I say the US takes an hands off approach and let France and the 30 other countries take charge!

OK with me also. Probably a stupid way to handle it but no longer our problem.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Of course I'd prefer a cease-fire ... but I don't blame Ukraine and NATO for insisting all Russian troops be removed from Ukraine's 1991 borders, including Crimea ...

I would greatly prefer that too, if there was a way to force the Russians to agree to that.

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria ... nine reasons for NATO to get heavily involved ... all these countries have suffered recently at the hands of the Russians ... most of us remember the bad old days of Soviet oppression ...

That sounds like nine reasons for Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria to get involved. Also, France, since macron is volunteering.

Ukraine was kept out of NATO for a reason and this is exactly it.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Ukraine would have been happy with no war to begin with. They were the one invaded after all. Russia can stop invading any time it wants to.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Ukraine would have been happy with no war to begin with. They were the one invaded after all. Russia can stop invading any time it wants to.

Sure, but right now it doesn’t want to.

What is your answer to my question?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Sure, but right now it doesn’t want to.

What is your answer to my question?

Give Ukraine 400 theater level nukes.

 

[Litwin]

Macron believes one could happen quickly.

French President Emmanuel Macron has said a truce between Ukraine and Russia could be agreed in the coming weeks.

Macron suggests Ukraine truce could be weeks away after talks with Trump - BBC News

During a visit to the White House, the French leader said any peace deal must "not be a surrender of Ukraine".

www.bbc.com

But with Macron it would be with conditions.

Macron said any peace deal in Ukraine must "not be a surrender of Ukraine" and must be backed by security guarantees.

. . .

Macron said he had spoken to 30 other European leaders and allies and many of them were willing to be part of security guarantees for Ukraine.

I’m talking about a plain vanilla cease-fire. No concessions, no movement of the battle lines. Everybody pauses in place and just stop the killing. Then we can talk.

I’m wondering if anyone on this board would object to that?

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[Litwin]

Will it include Ukraine signing over it's commodities?

 

[luiza]

Macron believes one could happen quickly.

French President Emmanuel Macron has said a truce between Ukraine and Russia could be agreed in the coming weeks.


I’m wondering if anyone on this board would object to that?
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I trust that Dear Pooty Pops might quickly cross the Dneiper --- in hand right now it seems -- and go get Odessa .
If he can achieve that quickly --- and before NATO can rustle up some more replacement weapons for Russia to decimate --- that would represent optimum position for Moscow .

If not , Russia holds all the negotiation cards and however much Trumpfy huffs and puffs , he will get nothing from Volodya that he is in the least bit reluctant to give .

Macron is blowing hot air . Barely worth acknowledging .
He has enough problems stopping the info that his wife who is 24 years older is a man.
Europe's answer to Michael and Obummer

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[ReinyDays]

That sounds like nine reasons for Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria to get involved.

That's not how military alliances work ... child ... an attack on any one of these nine countries is an attack on the United States ... yeah ... a coward would back out of their promises ...

NATO countries buy NATO weapons ... [ka'ching] ... damn straight we want Ukraine on our customer list ... take business away from Moscow ...

 

[Seymour Flops]

That's not how military alliances work ... child ... an attack on any one of these nine countries is an attack on the United States ... yeah ... a coward would back out of their promises ...

But, none of those nine countries have been attacked. I don’t know of anything that prevents them from rushing into Ukraine’s aid if they want to.

But that would be them attacking Russia, so we would not be dragged into it.

NATO countries buy NATO weapons ... [ka'ching] ... damn straight we want Ukraine on our customer list ... take business away from Moscow ...

Yes… Infant… But we are giving Ukraine the money with which to purchase weapons from US arms manufactures. It sounds like an indirect pipeline from the taxpayers pockets to the manufacturers. With Ukraine helpfully using all the weapons up so that we “have to” replace them.

A win for nobody, but the US arms manufacturer. Almost ad if the armed manufacturer had some kind of sway over our politicians…