Would anyone Object to a Ceasefire in Ukraine?

[ReinyDays]

But, none of those nine countries have been attacked. I don’t know of anything that prevents them from rushing into Ukraine’s aid if they want to.

But that would be them attacking Russia, so we would not be dragged into it.

Yes… Infant… But we are giving Ukraine the money with which to purchase weapons from US arms manufactures. It sounds like an indirect pipeline from the taxpayers pockets to the manufacturers. With Ukraine helpfully using all the weapons up so that we “have to” replace them.

A win for nobody, but the US arms manufacturer. Almost ad if the armed manufacturer had some kind of sway over our politicians…

... turning yellow ...

 

[martybegan]

Of course I'd prefer a cease-fire ... but I don't blame Ukraine and NATO for insisting all Russian troops be removed from Ukraine's 1991 borders, including Crimea ...

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria ... nine reasons for NATO to get heavily involved ... all these countries have suffered recently at the hands of the Russians ... most of us remember the bad old days of Soviet oppression ...

The problem is how do you go back to 2013 without direct NATO intervention?

 

[martybegan]

Ukraine would have been happy with no war to begin with. They were the one invaded after all. Russia can stop invading any time it wants to.

Why would they stop and just leave when they control most of the territory they would demand?

 

[ReinyDays]

The problem is how do you go back to 2013 without direct NATO intervention?

Yup ... that's a problem all right ...

It's like September 1st, 1939, all over again ...

Shore will be ugly for Bessarabia ...

 

[martybegan]

Yup ... that's a problem all right ...

It's like September 1st, 1939, all over again ...

Shore will be ugly for Bessarabia ...

Different in many ways.

Mostly in Poland only lasting a few weeks.

Ukraine won the war of movement, but is losing the stalemate.

It's as if the front line slowly drifted south during the Korean war Stalemate.

 

[luiza]

But we are giving Ukraine the money with which to purchase weapons from US arms manufactures. It sounds like an indirect pipeline from the taxpayers pockets to the manufacturers. With Ukraine helpfully using all the weapons up so that we “have to” replace them.
A win for nobody, but the US arms manufacturer. Almost ad if the armed manufacturer had some kind of sway over our politicians…

Which is why Trumpfy is pitching to pay back the taxpayers via Black Sea Oil ( not really mentioned yet) and from Rare Earth Metals .

So delete the Troll Bot OP and rewrite telling us how Trumpfy is working for America and to MAGA

 

[Seymour Flops]

The problem is how do you go back to 2013 without direct NATO intervention?

The Democrats want us to pretend that Ukraine already is in NATO.

Well, they don’t really want that. They never said that when Biden in office. This is just a new thing to cry about Trump.

Trump is doing something to put an end to the killing, and they cannot stand it. They’d rather have people keep dying that for Trump to have the success.

Yes, sadly, they are that petty.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Trump is doing something to put an end to the killing, and they cannot stand it.

Surrendering to Putin is not "doing something."

 

[martybegan]

Surrendering to Putin is not "doing something."

So anything except return to the 2013 Ukraine borders is surrendering?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Surrendering to Putin is not "doing something."

He’s not surrendering to Putin. Even if it was, that would be “doing something. “Just by the way the English language works.

He is trying to negotiate an end the war. Maybe he won’t be able to, but at least he tried instead of just cash in on it like Biden and his puppeteers in the arms manufacturing industry.

But I am betting that he will be successful. I know that’s what you will hate the most.

But the Ukrainians no longer seeing their children get killed will be happy, even if you are not.

 

[Blaster]

Peace is the only answer.

 

[Litwin]

Surrendering to Putin is not "doing something."

 

[Seymour Flops]

Good!

Let them go over there and fight to solve the problem.

 

[martybegan]

Peace is the only answer.

This will not get us peace, it will get us an armistice.

Peace isn't the halting of conflict, it's the resolution of conflict.

 

[ReinyDays]

Appeasement works? ... since when? ... I want Americans to have those jobs outfitting Ukraine's military, not them damn Russians ... them M1A2 Abrams battle tanks are made in Indiana ... and that's American enough for me ...

 

[Blaster]

 

[Rawley]

Of course I'd prefer a cease-fire ... but I don't blame Ukraine and NATO for insisting all Russian troops be removed from Ukraine's 1991 borders, including Crimea ...

Good luck with that.

 

[Seymour Flops]

This will not get us peace, it will get us an armistice.

Peace isn't the halting of conflict, it's the resolution of conflict.

It would be a step in that direction. Why let the killing go on while we negotiate?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Appeasement works? ... since when? ... I want Americans to have those jobs outfitting Ukraine's military, not them damn Russians ... them M1A2 Abrams battle tanks are made in Indiana ... and that's American enough for me ...

There is nothing about appeasement in my OP.

I see by the inability to answer it, that I have asked the correct question.

 

[martybegan]

It would be a step in that direction. Why let the killing go on while we negotiate?

Just realize the underlying conflict won't be resolved.

Ukraine wants its 2013 borders back and political and economic independence, and Russia wants to keep Donbas and Crimea and return the Ukraine to vassal status.