Zone1 Worse than sin is the denial of sin

[Meriweather]

Fifty years ago, Karl Menninger (eminent psychiatrist of that time) noted that no one could talk about sin anymore. He said when theologians gave up talking about sin, lawyers took it on, and sin became crime/lawsuits. When lawyers gave up on sin, psychiatrists took it on, and sin became a psychological complex. He foresaw a time when society doesn’t talk about sin at all but would simply go along with it.

Abortion, couples living together, gay weddings, openly taking God’s name in vain, no day of rest, elimination of prayer and bible studies in schools, divorce. What other sins are we in denial of?

Should we continue to deny sin? Do you agree that denial of sin is worse than sin?

 

[Votto]

Sin is only disagreeing with the democrat party.

That will always be a sin.

And if Jesus disagrees with them in any way, he simply has to go unless he bows his knee to the party and their ideologies.

After all, Jesus loves inclusiveness and diversity, unless it is hateful MAGA.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Fifty years ago, Karl Menninger (eminent psychiatrist of that time) noted that no one could talk about sin anymore. He said when theologians gave up talking about sin, lawyers took it on, and sin became crime/lawsuits. When lawyers gave up on sin, psychiatrists took it on, and sin became a psychological complex. He foresaw a time when society doesn’t talk about sin at all but would simply go along with it.

Abortion, couples living together, gay weddings, openly taking God’s name in vain, no day of rest, elimination of prayer and bible studies in schools, divorce. What other sins are we in denial of?

Should we continue to deny sin? Do you agree that denial of sin is worse than sin?

I say NOTHING is worse than sin, and denial of sin IS sin.

To say, for instance, that committing adultery with the neighbor's wife is.. just his choice. . well, how is that not egregious sin (condoning sin)?

Well, Jesus said that FEW find the narrow way to Heaven. I used to ask myself WHY most people don't make it but I have several answers at this point: mostly, they just choose their own way over the way of God. At this one website I go to that is traditional Catholic, the main person who runs it says that no one outside the Catholic Church can be saved. That sounds harsh and "judgmental" to some and even to me at times but when you think about it: Jesus founded ONE religion and the only Christ-centered religion that goes back in history to the Beginning, to the Ascension, is the Catholic religion. You can Search: early Church fathers and find them talking about Catholic beliefs/practices: confession to a priest, the Eucharist and etc...

Some Sedevacantist Catholics say not only baptism saves, but baptism of desire.. So that if a person is planning on entering the Church but.. say he or she dies before the baptism, that person is acceptable to God (though may have to endure a long time in Purgatory). Some Sedevacantists like the aforementioned say there is no baptism of desire and that the Original Church always taught that, so too bad if you die b4 baptism. Yikes... I don't know what to believe on this particular issue at this time (since that guy is VERY convincing on everything else), but these are some scary issues that.. if true, people should be dropping everything they are doing and researching.. because: What if it is all true? Eternity is a VERY long time............ and as Jesus said, Few make it to Heaven (Mt 7, Lk 13)

 

[TNHarley]

Do you agree that denial of sin is worse than sin?

It depends.
There is nothing wrong with most of the examples you posted.
ZOMG! That man and woman are going to burn in hell for eternity because they share the same roof!
Silly a$$ $hi+

 

[forkintheroad7]

Sin is only disagreeing with the democrat party.

That will always be a sin.

And if Jesus disagrees with them in any way, he simply has to go unless he bows his knee to the party and their ideologies.

After all, Jesus loves inclusiveness and diversity, unless it is hateful MAGA.

lol

Did you hear about Harris (before she LOST ) saying to rally-goers, something like this

"If you believe in God, you don't belong here. Go to the Trump rally"

(that's not verbatim but that's basically what she said)

It is absolutely NO wonder she lost

 

[Meriweather]

I say NOTHING is worse than sin, and denial of sin IS sin.

Very true. One point I find interesting is that society denies/overlooks sin. For example, divorce is a sin and society frowned on it. Now society shrugs its collective shoulders and says not a word. Abortion is a sin, but even those who may not ever consider abortion for themself, shrugs off what others in society are doing. Attending gay weddings--actually approving sin. In fact the person society shouts about is the one who refuses to bake a wedding cake for a gay wedding. The government says to eliminate prayer and bible study, and everyone nods solemnly and does what government dictates. It is so common for us to hear God's name being taken in vain, not only on the street, but on TV, in movies, the news--and no one blinks, no one protests.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Fifty years ago, Karl Menninger (eminent psychiatrist of that time) noted that no one could talk about sin anymore. He said when theologians gave up talking about sin, lawyers took it on, and sin became crime/lawsuits. When lawyers gave up on sin, psychiatrists took it on, and sin became a psychological complex. He foresaw a time when society doesn’t talk about sin at all but would simply go along with it.

Abortion, couples living together, gay weddings, openly taking God’s name in vain, no day of rest, elimination of prayer and bible studies in schools, divorce. What other sins are we in denial of?

Should we continue to deny sin? Do you agree that denial of sin is worse than sin?

Respectfully, I have no opinion on the topic of sin. It's a theological construct, like 'evil'. I find it counterproductive to the reality we live in. You are free to discuss your personal beliefs, but many may not subscribe to them.

 

[Meriweather]

It depends.
There is nothing wrong with most of the examples you posted.
ZOMG! That man and woman are going to burn in hell for eternity because they share the same roof!

I said nothing about burning in hell for eternity. I'm noting that society seems completely docile regarding sin. One point that is brought up in the Catholic faith, if I recall in the catechism that one of the chief dangers of sin is that it numbs one to further sin and to committing graver sins. Is society numb to sin? Is it in the best interest of society to be numb to sin, or could that be a future danger to all of society?

 

[forkintheroad7]

Very true. One point I find interesting is that society denies/overlooks sin. For example, divorce is a sin and society frowned on it. Now society shrugs its collective shoulders and says not a word. Abortion is a sin, but even those who may not ever consider abortion for themself, shrugs off what others in society are doing. Attending gay weddings--actually approving sin. In fact the person society shouts about is the one who refuses to bake a wedding cake for a gay wedding. The government says to eliminate prayer and bible study, and everyone nods solemnly and does what government dictates. It is so common for us to hear God's name being taken in vain, not only on the street, but on TV, in movies, the news--and no one blinks, no one protests.

well, I agree w/ all this, except I don't believe saying GD is a huge one with God. He's big enough to handle that and worse. I think that taking God's name in vain is more like: saying you are a believer just so you can get something from someone.. things like that.

Anyhow, yeh, like I said in another post, I feel that this country didn't deserve to be delivered from the crazies on Nov 5. I can't help feeling that way because our country has accepted the most (as you imply) godawful things. I heard that the late Ruth Graham, wife of Billy, said that if God doesn't intervene in this modern age (this is not verbatim), He owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology. LOL

But God let Trump win... probably because there were maybe 10 people in the country or so who are true Christians.. LOL .

(He said He'd save S and G if there were a few righteous people)

 

[Meriweather]

Respectfully, I have no opinion on the topic of sin. It's a theological construct, like 'evil'. I find it counterproductive to the reality we live in. You are free to discuss your personal beliefs, but many may not subscribe to them.

And that's my point. As a society facing the future, which is the better path: Ignoring sin or acknowledging that ignoring sin may lead to a dangerous outcome for all of/most of society? Is the reality we live in our best choice? Or, is it our only choice?

 

[TNHarley]

I said nothing about burning in hell for eternity. I'm noting that society seems completely docile regarding sin. One point that is brought up in the Catholic faith, if I recall in the catechism that one of the chief dangers of sin is that it numbs one to further sin and to committing graver sins. Is society numb to sin? Is it in the best interest of society to be numb to sin, or could that be a future danger to all of society?

Much of society just dont give a shit about your "sins"
As I said, its silly. Many people think so. Apparently more do, than dont or this thread wouldnt exist

 

[TNHarley]

Town elders cant murder children for backtalking their parents anymore and people lose their crap

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

And that's my point. As a society facing the future, which is the better path: Ignoring sin or acknowledging that ignoring sin may lead to a dangerous outcome for all of/most of society?

You call it 'sin', I call it 'bad behavior'. And behavioral science has ways of understanding and predicting what the signs can lead to, and react accordingly.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Much of society just dont give a shit about your "sins"
As I said, its silly. Many people think so. Apparently more do, than dont or this thread wouldnt exist

What about your own sins? Oh, you don't have any, you likely will retort.

"He who says he is without sin is a liar and the truth is not in him" says the Word

 

[TNHarley]

What about your own sins? Oh, you don't have any, you likely will retort.

"He who says he is without sin is a liar and the truth is not in him" says the Word

I dont consider them "sins" because i dont buy into your 2k year old desert savage fairy tales.

 

[luiza]

After all, Jesus loves inclusiveness and diversity, unless it is hateful MAGA.

No .
He was always rushing off to be alone in a garden , or water skiing on the Sea of Galilee , or sulking up the top of some mountain .
Manic Dpressive .Snooty . Probably Paranoid --"they are after me" etc
Never quite the same after they lobbed off cousin John's head .

 

[forkintheroad7]

I dont consider them "sins" because i dont buy into your 2k year old desert savage fairy tales.

you'll find out when you're burning in Hell forever (that it isn't a fairy tale)

 

[forkintheroad7]

I dont consider them "sins" because i dont buy into your 2k year old desert savage fairy tales.

I'm going to believe the purported Word of God over some schmuck I encounter on the internet

 

[TNHarley]

you'll find out when you're burning in Hell forever (that it isn't a fairy tale)

Sure I will, Gomer.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Sure I will, Gomer.

There are reliable accounts of people who started the dying process, visited Hell (or Heaven), returned and told about it. You can Search some of them on You Tube. One guy I think of didn't believe in Christianity, in fact was a gang member shot by another gang member, but he vividly described Hell, where he existed for a few minutes while the medical folks tried to revive him. His account of Hell lines up pefectly with what is written on Hell in the Bible. . also lines up with what canonized saints have said about Hell.