Zone1 Worry about God's judgement of you

[ding]

Let God decide that, not you.

I come at it from a slightly different angle. It's not virtuous if one is forced to be virtuous. Instruction is one thing, judgment is another. With that said, we live in a shared society with shared consequences, and even though our governance is secular, it does not preclude one from informing his vote by his faith and conscience.

 

[sparky]

I come at it from a slightly different angle.

As a recovering Christian, so do I ding

~S~

 

[ding]

As a recovering Christian, so do I ding

~S~

Is it materially different than mine?

 

[BreezeWood]

I say neither are good. I judge that they are not good,

the fact is sour sue believes she has a right to tell other people how to live their lives ...

I'm not telling anyone how to "live their lives". I'm saying that God says these things are not good.

which is obviously worse, they believe what others believe is not good or their claim - the heavens (say) they are not good ...

as the desert religions are based on lies, the false commandments made by the liar moses and used to persecute and victimize the innocent - who really is sue speaking for - the heavens or the liar moses.

the answer is obvious and so the same for sue.

 

[sparky]

Is it materially different than mine?

the devil would literally be in the details there Ding

further, i dont mean nor do i come to disparage those with 'faith'

It's just that i see faith and religion as diametrically if not philosophically opposed

peace out
~S~

 

[Hellbilly]

This means we are to accept that gay marriage and abortion are good. Right?

I say neither are good. I judge that they are not good, the same way you have spent God only knows how many posts here saying Trump is not good.

In cases of ectopic pregnancy if an abortion is not performed the mother dies.

 

[ding]

It's just that i see faith and religion as diametrically if not philosophically opposed

Sometimes beauty is in the ey of the beholder. I often see beauty where others do not.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Let God decide that, not you.

But it IS our place to warn mankind of impending judgement. This is what the Great Commission as commanded BY Jesus Himself in Matthew 28:18-20 is all about. And Jesus didn't preach on love and tolerance, He preached on sin judgement and repentance.

 

[SweetSue92]

It does not mean you have to say it is good, but you don't need to say it is bad. Let God decided.
You can give your opinion but your opinion does not count. God's judgement does.

Well God has actually spoken on murder and marriage. So I'm not speaking, but God has. You have no problem passing judgment on Trump day and night, yet only God can judge his soul.

Take your own medicine, iow

 

[SweetSue92]

the devil would literally be in the details there Ding

further, i dont mean nor do i come to disparage those with 'faith'

It's just that i see faith and religion as diametrically if not philosophically opposed

peace out
~S~

Science and philosophy as "religion" take you down a road that seems illogical to me. People point out the silliness of some religions but the silliest of all is atheism IMO (I don't know if you're an atheist, just saying)

 

[SweetSue92]

In cases of ectopic pregnancy if an abortion is not performed the mother dies.

Yes but in almost all cases the baby will not survive and will take the mother with him/her. That cannot be compared to an abortion where the mother just doesn't want the child. In ectopic pregnancy there will be no child. I don't know a pro-life person who is opposed to terminating an ectopic pregnancy, though I'm sure they're out there. But they're outliers.

 

[ding]

It does not mean you have to say it is good, but you don't need to say it is bad. Let God decided.

Based upon that logic we shouldn't have said forced slavery is bad. Or genocide is bad. Or rape is bad. Or pedophilia is bad. Or murder is bad. etc.

Maybe the problem isn't saying things are bad. Maybe the problem is how we treat others during the process.

It seems to me that growth filled communities should explore all sides of an issue to arrive at objective truth. We don't need to act like jerks or treat people poorly while doing it. But we shouldn't be afraid of expressing our opinion.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Well God has actually spoken on murder and marriage. So I'm not speaking, but God has. You have no problem passing judgment on Trump day and night, yet only God can judge his soul.

Take your own medicine, iow

I agree. I feel Donald Trump is the antiChrist but I could be wrong. God will make that judgement.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Based upon that logic we shouldn't have said forced slavery is bad. Or genocide is bad. Or rape is bad. Or pedophilia is bad. Or murder is bad. etc.

Maybe the problem isn't saying things are bad. Maybe the problem is how we treat others during the process.

It seems to me that growth filled communities should explore all sides of an issue to arrive at objective truth. We don't need to act like jerks or treat people poorly while doing it. But we shouldn't be afraid of expressing our opinion.

There is God's ultimate judgement and then there are laws that are determined by the community. They determine everyday actions in a community

 

[GMCGeneral]

I agree. I feel Donald Trump is the antiChrist but I could be wrong. God will make that judgement.

Your fee fees are wrong. Every indication of Antichrist are from Europe. And people like you will fall for his deceit and take his mark, likely RFID chipping.

 

[ding]

There is God's ultimate judgement and then there are laws that are determined by the community. They determine everyday actions in a community

Right. We shouldn't judge them but we can still vote our conscience and engage in public debate which in some cases mighty offend them even if there is no judgement.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Your fee fees are wrong. Every indication of Antichrist are from Europe. And people like you will fall for his deceit and take his mark, likely RFID chipping.

I could care less about your opinion of me. I find you a terribly flawed individual.

 

[ElmerMudd]

But it IS our place to warn mankind of impending judgement. This is what the Great Commission as commanded BY Jesus Himself in Matthew 28:18-20 is all about. And Jesus didn't preach on love and tolerance, He preached on sin judgement and repentance.

You can warn all you want. Your opinion, in the end, means nothing. Only God's opinion matters.

 

[GMCGeneral]

You can warn all you want. Your opinion, in the end, means nothing. Only God's opinion matters.

And we Have His "opinion" by means of His written Word. So yes, as Born Again Christians, we KNOW His will.

 

[GMCGeneral]

I could care less about your opinion of me. I find you a terribly flawed individual.

Everyone is. Scripture is replete with G-d's indictment of all mankind, and the ONLY solution to that.