With the government officially shut down, let’s be clear about one thing:

[Nostra]

That's just bullshit rhetoric fed to magaturds by their chosen propaganda outlets for which they gladly slurp down unquestionably 24/7. Unproven slop.

I note you failed to disprove any fact in my post.

How funny.

Run along, Simp.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

You lied, you prove it.

Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for federal benefits. Not a lie. **** you.

 

[Nostra]

Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for federal benefits. Not a lie. **** you.

Not now that Trump is calling the shots instead of your Vegetable Messiah.

lil Chucky is holding America hostage to bring coverage to illegals.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Not for "some reason", because the monthly premium for a family of 4 would go from $900 to $1,600.

Then why is it the "COVID Subsidy?"

A purely made up number, based on guesswork combined with a desire to exagerate.

Premiums rise every year. They rise to the highest level that the market will bear, unless your argument be that Health Insurance Providers are these altruistic people that only charge the abasolute miminum they need to in order to provide the highest possible healthcare to their clients.

We won't know how much premiums will rise in 2026 until people start getting official notices of next year's rates. I've heard lots of claims about next years rates, but seen no evidence.

If Republicans won't extend the subsidy, democrats will. The subsidy can be used to beat down other democrat wish list items.

Very unlikely.

No one is requesting eliminating the work requirement. No worries.

They sure are.

They especially want to eliminate the requirement of legal entry into the country for Evergency Medicaid.

PBS "only" costs $500 million a year. I agree to cut it. We need to focus on the subsidy, not the other stuff that's gone.

Your party or "not your party" hasn't said they are willing to do anything except have the Republicans push their CR with that money through the House and Senate and then they'll vote for that one.

Plus, AOC said the president has to "sign something" or she will never vote to reopen the government. Other Democrats will go along with that, to make sure she doesn't move to their state and primary them.

True. Democrats won't negotiate, they DEMAND. That's why Thune needs to go nuclear and change the rule.

Nope.

He won't reward such childish behavior.

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Then the president will follow his interpretation of the law, during the current emergency, as presidents do.

If the Government opens up again, the Democrats can sue him.

No appropriations bill will pass, and Thune will need to go nuclear again.

Same answer as above.

True, but if Republicans don't extend the subsidy, or say 75% of the subsidy, they will be castigated. If we can keep the $1.5T in cuts to everything else, I'm fine keeping the $130b subsidy, but it needs to be means tested.

Sounds like you're negotating with me. That won't work.

The Democrats would have to negotiate with the Republicans for the compromise you suggest to happen. They have made no offers to negotiate, and never will! NEVER!

Oh, except they will after tomorrow's childish "No Kings" riots are done. Then they will start floating offers to the media, who will dutifully ask Republicans if they will accept them.

Even if they did agree to negotiate tomorrow instead of attending Hate America Rallies, why would Republicans give them anything, when the Democrats are not offering anything?

This is a "clean" CR, with some bi-partisan pork added that both sides want a taste of. As Speaker Johnson keeps reminding the media, there are no partisan Republican add-ins in the bill that could be taken out as part of any negotiations.

What are Democrats offering?

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Not now that Trump is calling the shots instead of your Vegetable Messiah.

lil Chucky is holding America hostage to bring coverage to illegals.

Illegal immigrants have never been elegible for federal benefits. The orange bag O' shit had nothing to do with it, you bone chillingly stupid person.

 

[Nostra]

Illegal immigrants have never been elegible for federal benefits. The orange bag O' shit had nothing to do with it, you bone chillingly stupid person.

Hasn't stopped them from getting benefits, Simp.

Now Chucky is holding America hostage so they don't have to cheat to get it.

Your Cult hates America.

 

[Nostra]

Illegal immigrants have never been elegible for federal benefits. The orange bag O' shit had nothing to do with it, you bone chillingly stupid person.

Dumbass.

CBO: Medicaid Spending on Illegal Aliens Has Cost Taxpayers over $16.2 Billion Under Open Border Czar Harris | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

The Official U.S. Congressional website of The Republican Budget Committee

budget.house.gov

 

[Concerned American]

Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for federal benefits. Not a lie. **** you.

Not when their status is changed through a leftist technicality. Educate yourself before making a fool of yourself.

 

[kyzr]

Then why is it the "COVID Subsidy?"
A purely made up number, based on guesswork combined with a desire to exaggerate.
Premiums rise every year. They rise to the highest level that the market will bear, unless your argument be that Health Insurance Providers are these altruistic people that only charge the abasolute miminum they need to in order to provide the highest possible healthcare to their clients.
We won't know how much premiums will rise in 2026 until people start getting official notices of next year's rates. I've heard lots of claims about next years rates, but seen no evidence.

They especially want to eliminate the requirement of legal entry into the country for Emergency Medicaid.

Not happening.

Your party or "not your party" hasn't said they are willing to do anything except have the Republicans push their CR with that money through the House and Senate and then they'll vote for that one.
Plus, AOC said the president has to "sign something" or she will never vote to reopen the government. Other Democrats will go along with that, to make sure she doesn't move to their state and primary them.

Fine. My only point was $500 million, not $500 billion.

Nope.
He won't reward such childish behavior.

How is going nuclear "rewarding childish behavior?" It makes senate democrats irrelevant. Thune only needs 51 votes to pass the budget.

Then the president will follow his interpretation of the law, during the current emergency, as presidents do.
If the Government opens up again, the Democrats can sue him.

Prove Trump is a dictator? bad idea.

Same answer as above.

If Thune needs 60 votes, he will never get anything passed. Why keep banging your head against the wall?

Sounds like you're negotiating with me. That won't work.
The Democrats would have to negotiate with the Republicans for the compromise you suggest to happen. They have made no offers to negotiate, and never will! NEVER!
Oh, except they will after tomorrow's childish "No Kings" riots are done. Then they will start floating offers to the media, who will dutifully ask Republicans if they will accept them.

Thune needs to issue an ultimatum, negotiate or we change the rules. If negotiations work, fine, if not change the rules.

Even if they did agree to negotiate tomorrow instead of attending Hate America Rallies, why would Republicans give them anything, when the Democrats are not offering anything?
This is a "clean" CR, with some bi-partisan pork added that both sides want a taste of. As Speaker Johnson keeps reminding the media, there are no partisan Republican add-ins in the bill that could be taken out as part of any negotiations.
What are Democrats offering?

We don't need anything from democrats but 7 senate votes.
Its how much of the BBB will Republicans change to get the appropriations passed?
My suggestion is, give them $130b annual ACA subsidy and get everything else, a major win.

 

[frigidweirdo]

In this regard, absolutely.

He makes one statement and Senate democrats allow votes on spending bills. He is the holdout.

Maybe you need to learn to count.

 

[leftwinger]

Be clear about one thing?

That the OP wears a polyester Thong?

 

[leftwinger]

Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for federal benefits. Not a lie. **** you.

WipeArse much? They twist the ilkegal status to Phony ASSYLUM seeker like you twist the dildo in your boyfirends right Bradford?

 

[westwall]

Prove it, **** stain.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Not happening.

Fine. My only point was $500 million, not $500 billion.

Ah. Yes, I made a mistake.

See how easy it is to admit a mistake?

Now about your mistaken claim that no one is trying to end the work requirement for Medicaid . . .

How is going nuclear "rewarding childish behavior?" It makes senate democrats irrelevant. Thune only needs 51 votes to pass the budget.

The nuclear option is what they want, and I think you know that.

Prove Trump is a dictator? bad idea.

The Legislative Branch is not doing it's job, so he has to step in. Nothing to do with being a dictator. That's a Dem and "not Dem" talking point, with no basis in reality.

If Thune needs 60 votes, he will never get anything passed. Why keep banging your head against the wall?

Sure he will. The Democrats cannot keep this up forever. Their voters won't stand for it. For sure they have to cave before Virginia's special gubanatorial election on Nov 4, so they don't hand that state to a strong black Republican woman who is not DEI.

Thune needs to issue an ultimatum, negotiate or we change the rules. If negotiations work, fine, if not change the rules.

If I turn out to be wrong and the Dems don't cave by the first of the year, maybe.

For now, what's the rush? People who are dependent on the Federal Government tend to vote Democratic. Schumer is a Democrat who represents the bluest state in the nation. He says every day it gets better. If his voters are fine with it, why shouldn't I be?

We don't need anything from democrats but 7 senate votes.
Its how much of the BBB will Republicans change to get the appropriations passed?
My suggestion is, give them $130b annual ACA subsidy and get everything else, a major win.

I'm sure you are - perhaps unwittingly - parroting exactly what the Democrats really want. 130b paid directly to the Health Insurance providers.

Why should they get that gift?

If it is because premiums will go up, let's see it. Wait until the first of the year and see if the companies really double the amount consumers must pay. I doubt they will raise premiums much more than they did in previous years. The ACA Supplemental subsidies are just a gift - to them and to big pharma.

Why do you trust health insurance providers so much?

 

[Leo123]

Illegal immigrants can't get free healthcare or any ACA subsidies. So, that's stupid magaturd logic right out of the gate.

Democrats want it in the bill, you stupid fool. Try reading the subject of the thread. Democrats are refusing to pass it without that provision.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Even Kaitlan from CNN has to argue with Bernie and Alex.



Kaitlan: Is anyone actually negotiating right now?

Bernie: No! (breathes in to say more)

AOC: They (the Republicans) need to PICK UP A PHONE (to call her)! They need to pick up a phooone!

She sounds like a high school girl talking about her crush. Being a United States Representative hasn't matured her in the slightest.

Meanwhile, on the other end of that scale, Bernie looks more an more like a skeleton wearing a suit.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I suppose Hakeem the Dream believes that he can insult Republicans into negotiating.

1:00, he beings an unhinged rant.



Then at 2:30 a reporter asks a spot-on question:

Leader Jeffries, food banks are preparing for a surge. Federal workers are missing their paychecks. And millions of Americans may lose out on their food assistance. At what point does this shutdown become too painful to continue these healthcare demands?

Since the healtcare demands are primarily for illegal border crossers who were granted "a legal status" during the Autopen Administration, no amount of suffering by Americans is too much for Hakeem.

 

[kyzr]

Now about your mistaken claim that no one is trying to end the work requirement for Medicaid . . .

I don't recall claiming that. Republicans need to keep it, agreed.

The nuclear option is what they want, and I think you know that.
The Legislative Branch is not doing it's job, so he has to step in. Nothing to do with being a dictator. That's a Dem and "not Dem" talking point, with no basis in reality.

Democrats don't want us to use the nuclear option, that would mean we get our agenda passed via "blitzkrieg" style.
Democrats want to stop the Republican agenda, and this shutdown is doing it, rope-a-dope, tick-tock, nothing happening.
Democrats can go nuclear any time they have the majority, and they will.

Sure he will. The Democrats cannot keep this up forever. Their voters won't stand for it. For sure they have to cave before Virginia's special gubernatorial election on Nov 4, so they don't hand that state to a strong black Republican woman who is not DEI.

We'll see. The democrats will give up a lot to stop the GOP agenda. We can't let them stop progress, tick-tock.

If I turn out to be wrong and the Dems don't cave by the first of the year, maybe.
For now, what's the rush? People who are dependent on the Federal Government tend to vote Democratic. Schumer is a Democrat who represents the bluest state in the nation. He says every day it gets better. If his voters are fine with it, why shouldn't I be?

So you would waste months instead of pushing thru the agenda now so it has time to work, and lose the mid-terms because the democrats are happy messing things up? bad idea.

I'm sure you are - perhaps unwittingly - parroting exactly what the Democrats really want. $130b paid directly to the Health Insurance providers. Why should they get that gift?

What gift? The insurers get the same premium whether the voters get the subsidy or not. The only difference is that millions of voters will know who offered them a reduced month premium, and who made them pay double a month or drop healthcare coverage. MTG is right, keep the subsidy, keep the voters.

If it is because premiums will go up, let's see it. Wait until the first of the year and see if the companies really double the amount consumers must pay. I doubt they will raise premiums much more than they did in previous years. The ACA Supplemental subsidies are just a gift - to them and to big pharma. Why do you trust health insurance providers so much?

We already know the rates, google it, family of 4 pays $900 a month now. Without the subsidy next year its $1,600 a month.
It has nothing to do with insurance, its about how much families pay for coverage.
Those people vote.

 

[Edgetho]

Who gets rich from insurance? The Insurance companies for 1.

2-cars. One driver. $1000/yr forever per car to get towing ÷ windshield. I can only drive one at a time? That's the game. $10,000 per car over 10 years. Never even looked at the INS card.

Then buy Insurance Company Stock.

Of all the things that the Japanese and Chinese have bought-up in America...... Farm Land, Banks, Real Estate, Medical Research, Automobile Factories and components, Energy, Drugs, MicroChips, Aerospace, even Granny's underwear.....

The one thing they mostly avoid like the Plague, from Japan to China is -- Insurance Companies.

They must be STOOPID, huh? All that money, those bigly, big time Profit Margins, all that Free Cash laying around just to picked off the Money Tree.

And you are the only one smart enough to figure it out. yer a genius

 

[leftwinger]

Then buy Insurance Company Stock.

Of all the things that the Japanese and Chinese have bought-up in America...... Farm Land, Banks, Real Estate, Medical Research, Automobile Factories and components, Energy, Drugs, MicroChips, Aerospace, even Granny's underwear.....

The one thing they mostly avoid like the Plague, from Japan to China is -- Insurance Companies.

They must be STOOPID, huh? All that money, those bigly, big time Profit Margins, all that Free Cash laying around just to picked off the Money Tree.

And you are the only one smart enough to figure it out. yer a genius

Not sure what you're attacking me about? At least 25% of CA uninsured, many unlicensed driving about? Maybe 50%.

I said "I buy it" (forced?) For cars and home too. Never use it but pay in forever. That's the issue.

I may have it (insurance stock?) in 401K or IRA target date plans. I dont know. I'm not working that hard on a weekend.//

Question: does anyone else paytime? Insurance proce per car but you are the only driver. One car at a time?

Seems stupid. Silly. But im in it like many others I suspect.