Wind or Nuclear?

[mdn2000]

I am sick of all the hype about nuclear power.. It may be a good power source, but it is a terrible "waste" source for us, and the bottom line is that the US is leaving a MASSIVE carbon footprint by not reusing the byproducts, and also by claiming ignorance to the many many other means at our disposal for sustainability.

Plenty of threads in energy have disproved this entire statement, I look forward to you posting, there really is a lot you can respond to, maybe you can pick up the ball that Old Crock dropped.

YES people DO steal spent uranium. It DOES happen. This is not some kind of massive lie

Spent Nuclear fuel from a commercial reactor in the USA has used only 3-5% of its energy. I wonder how a theif would steal a fuel rod and protect himself from radiation, just one second next to one fuel rod would evaporate the theif. It would not make him sick, he would simply disappear.

The problem with people are they have no understanding of the vast differences in the power of nuclear compared to all other sources combined. Nukes smoke everything, massive amounts of endless energy.

As far as water goes, a nuke uses less than windmills must be built, that takes energy and massive amounts of water, the E Glass Furnace will use more water in one year than a nuclear power plant uses in 40 years.

Nuclear power plants have multiple closed loop systems which recycle water.

Anyhow I dont see anyone posting anything that even comes close to being an arguement that supports the wild claims made by the green energy crowd.

One ton of fiberglass, how much energy is used to make one ton of energy and what are the types that must be used.

If the green energy supporters will not and cannot answer that simple question than green energy is without a doubt too expensive, too polluting, massively subsidized, and very weak, profiting the very rich, profiting the politicians.

 

[Old Rocks]

YES people DO steal spent uranium. It DOES happen. This is not some kind of massive lie.. but people steal all sorts of things to make bombs with, so whatev.. Increase security camera usage then. How often to people actually USE nuclear bombs? There ya go. Its just an all around power thing.. and I mean political not nuclear, lol

This statement does not make sense, What are you talking about, fuel rods from commercial reactors? Spent Uranium? By that definition there is no danger, its spent. So if your talking about what is called a spent fuel rod from a US reactor than you are bit confused, this has never happened, doubtful if it ever will happen. Even if it did, it would be impossible to open up the cask without the set from Dr. No.

Funding, the only thing that hurts funding is government interference and Lawyers. As long as the government is in the hand of the corporations than we will continue to see the government giving money to the corporations that build windmills.

You know who is getting rich besides Al Gore, companies like ExxonMobil, AIG, Dupont, Dow, OcciChemical, GE, any corporation that owns a mine like the one in California that is the only source for Boron, cant make windmills without basic materials like minerals/elements that are mined.

So the Lawyers and government will stop nuclear by taking money from the middle class of america and giving that money to corporations who in return hire the politicians for 100k a pop speeches. Meantime we pay higher taxes, higher electric bills, higher food prices, more expensive clothes. Everything is going up, further we will never have the energy needed to run heavy industry, no heavy industry and we will continue our decline, we are on our way to being a third world.

You young people can look forward to poverty and famine.

Mdn, once again you prove your massive ignorance beyond doubt.

First, there are many sources of boron throughout the world. However, the nation that has the most reserves of boron, and is actively mining and exporting it, is Turkey. We are second in reserves.

Second, here in the US and in Europe, we make a fiberglass that does not use boron.

 

[Old Rocks]

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=23774&Cr=nuclear&Cr1

Illicit trafficking, theft of nuclear materials ‘a persistent problem,’ UN agency reports

12 September 2007 – Illicit trafficking, theft and loss of nuclear and other radioactive materials remain “a persistent problem,” according to the United Nations agency entrusted with pre-empting nuclear and radiological terrorism and preventing proliferation.
More than 250 incidents involving unauthorized possession and related criminal activities, theft or loss of nuclear or other radioactive materials, and other activities such as unauthorized disposal of radioactive materials were reported to the UN International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Illicit Trafficking Database (ITDB) last year, of which 150 occurred in 2006 and the rest mainly in 2005.

“Information reported to the ITDB shows a persistent problem with the illicit trafficking in nuclear and other radioactive materials, thefts, losses, and other unauthorized activities,” the latest ITDB report said.

Of the 150 incidents that occurred in 2006, 14 involved unauthorized possession and related criminal activities and can be described as illicit trafficking, containing such factors as illegal possession, movement, or attempts to illegally trade in the materials.

 

[KittenKoder]

Illicit trafficking, theft of nuclear materials ‘a persistent problem,’ UN agency reports

Illicit trafficking, theft of nuclear materials ‘a persistent problem,’ UN agency reports

12 September 2007 – Illicit trafficking, theft and loss of nuclear and other radioactive materials remain “a persistent problem,” according to the United Nations agency entrusted with pre-empting nuclear and radiological terrorism and preventing proliferation.
More than 250 incidents involving unauthorized possession and related criminal activities, theft or loss of nuclear or other radioactive materials, and other activities such as unauthorized disposal of radioactive materials were reported to the UN International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Illicit Trafficking Database (ITDB) last year, of which 150 occurred in 2006 and the rest mainly in 2005.

“Information reported to the ITDB shows a persistent problem with the illicit trafficking in nuclear and other radioactive materials, thefts, losses, and other unauthorized activities,” the latest ITDB report said.

Of the 150 incidents that occurred in 2006, 14 involved unauthorized possession and related criminal activities and can be described as illicit trafficking, containing such factors as illegal possession, movement, or attempts to illegally trade in the materials.

This is worse than gunpowder? Coal? Oil? Etc. being stolen how?

 

[Kingpin]

What will our descendants think of us if we bury radioactive waste that is deadly for thousands of years?

Carbon 14 has a halflife of about 12,000 years!

 

[Si modo]

Illicit trafficking, theft of nuclear materials ‘a persistent problem,’ UN agency reports

Illicit trafficking, theft of nuclear materials ‘a persistent problem,’ UN agency reports

12 September 2007 – Illicit trafficking, theft and loss of nuclear and other radioactive materials remain “a persistent problem,” according to the United Nations agency entrusted with pre-empting nuclear and radiological terrorism and preventing proliferation.
More than 250 incidents involving unauthorized possession and related criminal activities, theft or loss of nuclear or other radioactive materials, and other activities such as unauthorized disposal of radioactive materials were reported to the UN International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Illicit Trafficking Database (ITDB) last year, of which 150 occurred in 2006 and the rest mainly in 2005.

“Information reported to the ITDB shows a persistent problem with the illicit trafficking in nuclear and other radioactive materials, thefts, losses, and other unauthorized activities,” the latest ITDB report said.

Of the 150 incidents that occurred in 2006, 14 involved unauthorized possession and related criminal activities and can be described as illicit trafficking, containing such factors as illegal possession, movement, or attempts to illegally trade in the materials.

And, for those with less sloth, if one looks at the details of the incidents involving weapons grade materials, only one in a 13-year period occured in the USA. We have excellent controls of radionuclides here in the USA.

 

[KittenKoder]

What will our descendants think of us if we bury radioactive waste that is deadly for thousands of years?

Carbon 14 has a halflife of about 10,000 years!

They will likely mistaken it for the stuff that naturally occurs in nature as it is. Nuclear material is mined as well, it's refined like oil ... but it's safer and easier to mine than coal. Hint: Almost everything in your house has high levels of radiation, they just aren't lethal.

 

[Skull Pilot]

What will our descendants think of us if we bury radioactive waste that is deadly for thousands of years?

Carbon 14 has a halflife of about 10,000 years!

95% of spent fuel rods can be recycled and reused as fuel

nuclear fuel rods only contain about 5% "burnable' uranium. when the amount in a fuel rod falls below that amount, the rod must be replaced but the uranium left can be reused.

 

[JD_2B]

I am sick of all the hype about nuclear power.. It may be a good power source, but it is a terrible "waste" source for us, and the bottom line is that the US is leaving a MASSIVE carbon footprint by not reusing the byproducts, and also by claiming ignorance to the many many other means at our disposal for sustainability.

Plenty of threads in energy have disproved this entire statement, I look forward to you posting, there really is a lot you can respond to, maybe you can pick up the ball that Old Crock dropped.

I see now that spent fuel rods can be reused for fuel. That's great. If only we were actually doing that, lol

YES people DO steal spent uranium. It DOES happen. This is not some kind of massive lie

Spent Nuclear fuel from a commercial reactor in the USA has used only 3-5% of its energy. I wonder how a theif would steal a fuel rod and protect himself from radiation, just one second next to one fuel rod would evaporate the theif. It would not make him sick, he would simply disappear.

The problem with people are they have no understanding of the vast differences in the power of nuclear compared to all other sources combined. Nukes smoke everything, massive amounts of endless energy.

As far as water goes, a nuke uses less than windmills must be built, that takes energy and massive amounts of water, the E Glass Furnace will use more water in one year than a nuclear power plant uses in 40 years.

Nuclear power plants have multiple closed loop systems which recycle water.

Anyhow I dont see anyone posting anything that even comes close to being an arguement that supports the wild claims made by the green energy crowd.

One ton of fiberglass, how much energy is used to make one ton of energy and what are the types that must be used.

If the green energy supporters will not and cannot answer that simple question than green energy is without a doubt too expensive, too polluting, massively subsidized, and very weak, profiting the very rich, profiting the politicians.

OK First of all, you are not looking at the other options available. I agree, green-pushers of sustainable energy should not be pushing for wind turbines and solar paneling. Those suck, as far as how much wattage they produce.

However, a simple copper coil buried in the ground in your backyard can power your entire home, costs in the ballpark of ten grand, and pays itself off in a couple of years.

A shit well that generates enough heat to run a turbine, can also generate enough power for several modern square blocks of residential, improved property. In some other countries, a village of people will just bring their buckets of shit to the well and dump them in themselves. This is the most energy efficient way to do it also.

Then, people can recycle and reuse water also. Rain cystines are one of the cheapest, energy efficient way of doing it. You just install a rain gutter all the way around the house, direct it down a pipe on one side that leads to a big barrel, which holds the water. At the bottom of that barrel, a pipe is lead from the barrel to the sprinkler system. This could be done for less than a thousand dollars, and again, pays itself off in about a year!

Green Roofs are a lot more expensive to get going, but also add insulation to the roof tops of buildings and homes, drastically reducing the need for extra air conditioning and heating. Also, some businesses are using green roofs as a beautiful natural retreat or break area for their employees and customers. This also conserves water, because it encourages water that lands on the roof to not simply run off, ending up in the storm drains, but to nourish plant life, which increases the amount of plant life (that would have been there if that building had not been made) that can contribute to the rain cycle.

Bees are in trouble, also. I think it would help if companies with green roofs would also have beehives and lots of flowering plants. The Bee populations have dropped to nearly half of what they were a couple of decades ago. This is really bad news!!

Ack.. But my point was that there are many many ways to conserve and reuse water and resources, and plenty of highly effective ways to capture sustainable energy sources..

 

[VodkaIce]

Wind Power is excellent where Wind is Plentiful (laughs) ...

Element 115 (gravity A-Wave) though considered to be CT, I think not, but another government black project perhaps. I am hedging this is the way to go.

Noteworthy is Marjorie Hecht's statement that NUCLEAR WASTE is a misnomer, and is a fallacy. She further interjects the following:

..."The spent fuel from nuclear power plants is actually a precious resource: About 96% of it can be recycled into new nuclear fuel. No other fuel source can make this claim—wood, coal, oil, or gas. Once these fuels are burned, all that’s left is some ash or airborne pollutant by-products, which nuclear energy does not produce."

url: 21st Century Home Page
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles 2008/Nuclear_waste.pdf

There's an excellent diagram which depicts how this recyling process would work.

 

[VodkaIce]

We have seen Free Energy in many forms:

Wind

Water

Nuclear Power

Solar and so forth ...

but Element 115 (gravity A-Wave) is truly FREE .... We need to bring this forward.


Some periodic table had this information about element 115:

The most important attribute of this heavier, stable element is that the gravity A wave is so abundant that it actually extends past the perimeter of the atom. These heavier, stable elements literally have their own gravity A field around them, in addition to the gravity B field that is native to all matter.

No naturally occurring atoms on earth have enough protons and neutrons for the cumulative gravity A wave to extend past the perimeter of the atom so you can access it. Now even though the distance that the gravity A wave extends past the perimeter of the atom is infinitesimal, it is accessible and it has amplitude, wave length, and frequency, just like any other wave in the electromagnetic spectrum. Once you can access the gravity A wave, you can amplify it just like we amplify other electromagnetic waves.
And in like manner, the gravity A wave is amplified and then focused on the desired destination to cause the space/time distortion required for practical space travel.

This amplified gravity A wave is so powerful that the only naturally occurring source of gravity that could cause space/time to distort this much would be a black hole.
We're amplifying a wave that barely extends past the perimeter of an atom until it's large enough to distort vast amounts of space/time.

Did anyone watch Bob Lazarus, was it on Nova? But he offers tons of information on this topic matter, and why call it CT, when it can become pure science.

 

[VodkaIce]

Here is an IDEA - I think it would generate JOBS and WEALTH to this country, but first we have to get rid of the Rockefeller foundation and the International Monetary Banking systems.

Revisit all those PATENTS, to which the government BURIED.

Examples of FREE ENERGY PATENTS:

U.S. patents (#3,811,058, #3,879,622, and #4,151,431) have so far been awarded for motors that run EXCLUSIVELY on permanent MAGNETS, seemingly tapping into energy circulating through the earth's magnetic field.

The first two require a feedback network in order to be self-running.

The third one, (as described in detail in "Science & Mechanics" magazine, Spring 1980), requires critical sizes, shapes, orientations, and spacings of magnets, but NO feedback. Such a motor could drive an electric generator or reversible heatpump in one's home, YEAR ROUND, FOR FREE. [Complete descriptive copies of U.S. patents are $3.00 each from the U.S. Patent Office, 2021 Jefferson Davis Hwy., Arlington, VA 22202; correct 7-digit patent number required. Or try getting copies via your local public or university library's inter-library loan dept..]

 

[VodkaIce]

If I ever get a hold of bunch of money, I have a list of PATENTS that I would revisit.

 

[Old Rocks]

Illicit trafficking, theft of nuclear materials ‘a persistent problem,’ UN agency reports

Illicit trafficking, theft of nuclear materials ‘a persistent problem,’ UN agency reports

12 September 2007 – Illicit trafficking, theft and loss of nuclear and other radioactive materials remain “a persistent problem,” according to the United Nations agency entrusted with pre-empting nuclear and radiological terrorism and preventing proliferation.
More than 250 incidents involving unauthorized possession and related criminal activities, theft or loss of nuclear or other radioactive materials, and other activities such as unauthorized disposal of radioactive materials were reported to the UN International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Illicit Trafficking Database (ITDB) last year, of which 150 occurred in 2006 and the rest mainly in 2005.

“Information reported to the ITDB shows a persistent problem with the illicit trafficking in nuclear and other radioactive materials, thefts, losses, and other unauthorized activities,” the latest ITDB report said.

Of the 150 incidents that occurred in 2006, 14 involved unauthorized possession and related criminal activities and can be described as illicit trafficking, containing such factors as illegal possession, movement, or attempts to illegally trade in the materials.

And, for those with less sloth, if one looks at the details of the incidents involving weapons grade materials, only one in a 13-year period occured in the USA. We have excellent controls of radionuclides here in the USA.

Would we, or any other nation, admit it if someone actually managed to get a few kilos of weopons grade material?

Just one bomb is one city, somewhere.

 

[Old Rocks]

JD, Sanyo now produces a solar cell rated at 23%. Q-dot technology should start at about 40% and go up from there. We still need electriciy, and wind and solar are the easiest way for an individual to produce it for themselves. Combined with conservation measures, such as the passive geo-thermal, passive solar, and use of energy efficient appliances and lighting, and you become a net producer, rather than a consumer.

 

[mdn2000]

YES people DO steal spent uranium. It DOES happen. This is not some kind of massive lie.. but people steal all sorts of things to make bombs with, so whatev.. Increase security camera usage then. How often to people actually USE nuclear bombs? There ya go. Its just an all around power thing.. and I mean political not nuclear, lol

This statement does not make sense, What are you talking about, fuel rods from commercial reactors? Spent Uranium? By that definition there is no danger, its spent. So if your talking about what is called a spent fuel rod from a US reactor than you are bit confused, this has never happened, doubtful if it ever will happen. Even if it did, it would be impossible to open up the cask without the set from Dr. No.

Funding, the only thing that hurts funding is government interference and Lawyers. As long as the government is in the hand of the corporations than we will continue to see the government giving money to the corporations that build windmills.

You know who is getting rich besides Al Gore, companies like ExxonMobil, AIG, Dupont, Dow, OcciChemical, GE, any corporation that owns a mine like the one in California that is the only source for Boron, cant make windmills without basic materials like minerals/elements that are mined.

So the Lawyers and government will stop nuclear by taking money from the middle class of america and giving that money to corporations who in return hire the politicians for 100k a pop speeches. Meantime we pay higher taxes, higher electric bills, higher food prices, more expensive clothes. Everything is going up, further we will never have the energy needed to run heavy industry, no heavy industry and we will continue our decline, we are on our way to being a third world.

You young people can look forward to poverty and famine.

Mdn, once again you prove your massive ignorance beyond doubt.

First, there are many sources of boron throughout the world. However, the nation that has the most reserves of boron, and is actively mining and exporting it, is Turkey. We are second in reserves.

Second, here in the US and in Europe, we make a fiberglass that does not use boron.

I know where the sources of Boron are, only two, glad you caught that, and as you know that was pointed out in other threads by other users. So what type of fiberglass does not use Boron, where is the plant, what is the furnace, how much energy and of what types of energy does the furnace use. If you know there are two sources of Boron than obviously you read and know more than you disclose.

Boron was "sucker bait", a simple hook to see if Old Crock intentionally hides information that is detrimental to Old Crock's unsubstantiated claims.

One thing Old Crock is not stating is all the fiberglass produced for windmills is using Boron, can not make fiberglass without Boron.

The most important thing Old Crock has not stated that the supply of Boron is very limited, maybe enough for a hundred years but if consumption keeps increasing at the present rate we will run out of Boron much sooner. I am not exactly sure on the 100 supply, I have only seen one source for that information so I take that with a grain of salt.

There are also other chemicals used in fiberglass production that Old Crock must know about, maybe not, Old Crock has shown himself to be very poor at supporting his position so its possible Old Crock knows of Boron simply from another users thread. So tell us Old Crock which other chemicals are in high demand in the manufacturer of fiberglass.

So which plant is making fiberglass without boron, what do they replace the boron with, and more importantly the biggest question that is always ignored because the answer is the truth and the truth is too damaging,

How much energy and which types does it take to produce one ton of fiberglass, if you cannot answer this simple question than you do not know what you are talking about.

VodkaIce, I am sure all those things are nice ideas but they are very expensive.

A coil that costs ten thousand dollars is not repaid in 2 years, further if we were not getting ripped off for the price of electricity we would not need the coil. I work extremely hard to keep my electric bill at the 120 a month mark, I cannot conserve any more. I use a so little electricity its sick, one light at the most, I never use a dryer, I hang my clothes out to dry. I have a small house.

I cannot use less energy, no way no how, I already conserve, most people do.

The answer is not to conserve, we alread do that, we are the example the world should follow.

The answer is huge amounts of energy, only one source for massive amounts of cheap energy, that is NUCLEAR power.

If we do not go Nuclear today there is no tomorrow, Nuclear power can fuel research, Nuclear power will save us money so we can invest in tomorrow. So that we can build better homes, so that we can research.

Windmills and Solar are a joke, with smart meters to turn off our electricity the government will be able to deny us power so that what little industry is left will have power, that is the future with solar and wind.

No industry, no jobs, no people, no children, no grandchildren, and this is what OLD CROCK wants, to kill all the people, the environuts hate people, they want a world without people.

They want the USA to suffer famine, they want us to suffer disease, the LIBERALS want us all to suffer because they hate our history, the LIBERALS say the ugliest nastiest things because they hate us.

Without massive amounts of Nuclear energy you all should just start smoking pot, forget about starting families, just drink and get drunk, get nice and high and have fun, forget about a future because there is no future.

We have outsourced food production to the point in the near future we will be at the complete mercy of the United Nations and the Third world, if they decide we starve its our fate.

Green energy is making politicians rich beyond our wildest dreams, Al Gore will be a billionaire, all from green energy and policies started while he was vice president.

The environuts are polluting the planet and using the resources faster and faster, and they know it, at least the smart ones, they are happy with this because liberals beleive the USA must suffer like Ethiopia and Somalia.

I really am begning to hate liberals, they are content to kill the future for my children.

 

[Si modo]

Illicit trafficking, theft of nuclear materials ‘a persistent problem,’ UN agency reports

Illicit trafficking, theft of nuclear materials ‘a persistent problem,’ UN agency reports

12 September 2007 – Illicit trafficking, theft and loss of nuclear and other radioactive materials remain “a persistent problem,” according to the United Nations agency entrusted with pre-empting nuclear and radiological terrorism and preventing proliferation.
More than 250 incidents involving unauthorized possession and related criminal activities, theft or loss of nuclear or other radioactive materials, and other activities such as unauthorized disposal of radioactive materials were reported to the UN International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Illicit Trafficking Database (ITDB) last year, of which 150 occurred in 2006 and the rest mainly in 2005.

“Information reported to the ITDB shows a persistent problem with the illicit trafficking in nuclear and other radioactive materials, thefts, losses, and other unauthorized activities,” the latest ITDB report said.

Of the 150 incidents that occurred in 2006, 14 involved unauthorized possession and related criminal activities and can be described as illicit trafficking, containing such factors as illegal possession, movement, or attempts to illegally trade in the materials.

And, for those with less sloth, if one looks at the details of the incidents involving weapons grade materials, only one in a 13-year period occured in the USA. We have excellent controls of radionuclides here in the USA.

Would we, or any other nation, admit it if someone actually managed to get a few kilos of weopons grade material?

Just one bomb is one city, somewhere.

That's an IAEA report. Their investigations. You don't like your own source, now?

 

[Si modo]

JD, Sanyo now produces a solar cell rated at 23%. Q-dot technology should start at about 40% and go up from there. We still need electriciy, and wind and solar are the easiest way for an individual to produce it for themselves. Combined with conservation measures, such as the passive geo-thermal, passive solar, and use of energy efficient appliances and lighting, and you become a net producer, rather than a consumer.

Source? (Especially for the quantum dot prediction, but be thorough and back up all of your claims.)

 

[VodkaIce]

Nukes are a non-issue when compared to scalar weaponry.

 

[mdn2000]

Over a dozen permits have been submitted for new nuclear power plants.

None in California.